Talk:Shitposting

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delete

pls delete crap article

2001:569:7724:B800:606E:1490:944B:2707 (talk) 01:19, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

For instructions on how to request deletion of an article, please see Wikipedia:Deletion policy -- 1Wiki8........................... (talk) 07:40, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

Image

File:Keine pointing ironic.jpg

The image File:Keine pointing ironic.jpg was removed from this stub article. I think it should go back in, as it is relevant to the topic, and of historical value. However might be nice to first expand the article with a History/Origin section so that the relevancy is clearer. -- 1Wiki8........................... (talk) 16:20, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

The image doesn't add any value or additional information to the article. Mooeena (talk) 19:55, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

Why is this a page?

Why does Wikipedia need a page about shitposting? (pls put Keine back in the article) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.4.204.194 (talk) 08:48, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

Because the phenomenon has received significant coverage in independent, reliable sources. -- 1Wiki8........................... (talk) 09:08, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

removed section

This section was removed from this stub article by a user:

In September 2016 the alt-right group Nimble America received widespread media attention. The Daily Beast described the group as "dedicated to “shitposting” and circulating internet memes maligning Hillary Clinton."

References

Please discuss... -- 1Wiki8........................... (talk) 18:03, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

The group Nimble America is not notable, so dedicating a section to it seems WP:UNDUE. I did not remove the section, but I believe that it should stay out. K.e.coffman (talk) 18:30, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

The notability of Nimble America is something to discuss on Draft:Nimble America or elsewhere, that discussion of notability has no relevance to this article. What is relevant is if independent reliable sources significantly discuss Nimble America in the context of shitposting. And they do. -- 1Wiki8........................... (talk) 18:40, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

Semi-Protect

To admins: please semi-protect this article, as it is certain (by its very nature) to become a target for constant vandalism (as it has been already). I did my best to clean up the article, but in its unprotected state, it won't stay clean for more than a few minutes. BearGlyph (talk) 17:47, 14 November 2016 (UTC)

NASCAR Shitposting section

The group NASCAR Shitposting is not notable by itself (having fewer than 400 members on Facebook), so dedicating a section to it seems WP:UNDUE. Therefore, I removed the section and Btsr nova's readdition of the section after it was initially removed. Please discuss before adding the section back in a second time and starting an Edit war. BearGlyph (talk) 19:00, 14 November 2016 (UTC)

Recreational shitposting

There are numerous Facebook groups which are primarily dedicated to shitposting for its own sake. This should be discussed within the article.

2601:18D:682:2F6E:20CF:7B4D:C371:52F8 (talk) 18:40, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

Why? Deli nk (talk) 20:00, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

Improvement

I think there needs to be more specifics on what exactly it is and how it is used in internet culture. I also think their should be discussions on all the groups and accounts there are that are dedicated to this. ````taylnew — Preceding unsigned comment added by Taylnew (talk • contribs) 02:47, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

The Problem

The problem with this article is that Wikipedia aggregates statements about topics in "reliable" media, and the media sucks at getting internet topics right. As a result, all but one of the descriptions of shitposting in this article (the one comparing it to Dada) are straight up factually wrong. (Hint: shitposting is not trolling.)

I don't know what can be done about this. FeepingCreature (talk) 15:20, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

Article should be merged into Internet Trolling

This article only really talks about shitposting as a political tool. I think it belongs as a section under Internet Trolling and it should talk less about its political uses because shitposting usually isn't exactly political, it's just low-quality (or high quality but irrelevant) content. While I understand that shitposting != trolling exactly, I think that's the best place it will fit and I don't think shitposting is a big enough subject to warrant its own article. Popopopper (talk) 06:25, 21 January 2019 (UTC)

Perhaps the article can be expanded, but the "In politics" section is enough for a WP:SPINOFF already. wumbolo ^^^ 09:39, 21 January 2019 (UTC)

I concur that it should be merged. I fail to see the difference. Zezen (talk) 08:16, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

I think it's a big enough topic for its own article, especially as there are likely to be more articles written about this topic in the near future. Bellowhead678 (talk) 13:47, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

"There are likely to be more articles written about this topic in the near future" is textbook WP:ATA#CRYSTAL. --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 21:19, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

Now *that* is some high-quality irony. Shitposting has only grown in cultural relevance; who could’ve seen this coming? 2601:602:8A02:34F0:ED60:FE2:BF10:4E8F (talk) 03:12, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Establishing Notability and Raising the class of this article

I noticed this article is nominated for deletion. I think it has big room for improvement and is notable. I'm working on a student project and would love to fix this article since there are so many facets of this social phenomenon. Any requests, tips, or advice? -- Pisces Unicorn (talk) 23:08, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

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Neutrality Concerns

The opening paragraph presents shitposting as being an aggressive rhetorical tactic, yet sources in the body alternatively present it as being a form of joke or art. The fact the more negative interpretation is presented before the more positive interpretations is a concern of neutrality. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:A601:A927:1900:5DF6:8440:249D:3214 (talk) 10:16, 2 February 2021 (UTC)

this is a really low quality and inaccurate article

This seems like more of a vehicle for the editor's political butthurt than anything genuinely resembling shitposting, doesn't even mention 2ch. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.194.66.135 (talk) 20:03, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

I'm gonna have to second this. This article can be described with lack of a better word, cringe. 65.95.0.165 (talk) 16:51, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

This article needs expanding

Shitposting is often used to brainwash the general public into an alternative reality e.g. trump won the 2022 election, etc..

This article needs to be expanded for the general public to understand the maliciousness of it's use to avoid falling victim to it instead of confusing it with spam. -- Kreyren (talk) 18:40, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

Referencing it's use in the wild for example: https://qoto.org/web/statuses/108212523636014527

-- Kreyren (talk) 18:44, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

Motivation for shitposting

The motivation for shitposting seems to be to gain lot of followers and reach fast to either exercise this influence or to sell the social media account often to a malicious actor (e.g. to spread state propaganda).

This should be presented in the article -- Kreyren (talk) 18:48, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

Imagine someone editing the article and talk page for Joke the way you did; claiming that jokes are things that are primarily used to brainwash people. That is how unhinged your edits are.

Your example of shitposting in the wild looks, to me, like you just got into an internet argument with someone. Nobody in that conversation even uses the term "shitposting." I don't see how it's relevant. Like someone commented above, it looks like you got mad at someone on the Internet and then decided there needed to be a Wikipedia article about how the person you were arguing with was wrong, and mean.

The meaning of "shitposting" has changed over the years, certainly. Originally it meant "low-quality, undesirable posts that do not contribute to the conversation productively." This is the context of the image of Keine above that says "ironic shitposting is still shitposting"; it is a reminder to people that, even if you are making low-quality posts on purpose to make fun of other low-quality posts, your posts are still low-quality and you are still not contributing to the discussion productively. Quite a surprise that people on 4chan, of all places, were spending so much time advocating for more productive, intelligent conversation, but it's the truth!

But that was a very long time ago. The people posting the image of Keine and advocating for better quality of discourse lost the war, and shitposting became the norm. The meaning has changed to the point where it really just means "posting low-effort jokes." Most people barely remember the original definition if at all, and you do not see that image of Keine anymore. That image no longer makes sense because shitposting is now assumed to be ironic.

Misinformation and maliciously-designed memes intended to brainwash may be a problem, and it may be valuable to warn people about them, but they are something distinct from shitposting. Shitposting is not a political term; I see it used widely in the circles I travel in by the left and right alike, referring to political and non-political jokes alike. The ONLY thing it consistently means is "low-effort jokes."

I would advocate for the outright deletion of this article--I do not think there is anything meaningful to say about Internet neologism that currently means nothing more than "low-effort jokes"--but that's a separate conversation. RubilacEx (talk) 20:22, 1 May 2022 (UTC)

Shitposting isn’t strictly low effort: there can be high effort shitposts, and many of the notable ones are clever and well-thought-out. It’s also not well-correlated with quality — a shitpost can be pure gold. I don’t know exactly what constitutes a shitpost, but I do recognize one when I see it. It’s not exactly trolling, it’s not exactly irrelevant discussion, it’s not exactly satire: it has analogues, not synonyms. I came to this article for clarification and found none. 2601:602:8A02:34F0:ED60:FE2:BF10:4E8F (talk) 03:18, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Keysmash Header Image Insufficiently Relevant

I do not think the current header image (File:Keysmash examples.png) is a good example of the online phenomenon this article is describing. The keysmash example does not at all capture the absurdity of shitposting; as stated on its Wikipedia article, keysmashing has an established meaning, expressing overwhelming frustration, excitement, or surprise. Compare that with truly "context-free" meme images like Lord Marquaad E, which has been covered by pop culture outlets interested in describing the culture shift surrounding younger generations' humor. It's a joke, but simultaneously, there's not really a "joke" to get, nothing to explain. I don't think that this particular image would be a great header, but I don't edit Wikipedia often enough to know the guidelines around which images are preferred as headers, hence me coming to this talk page and asking someone more qualified to make the edit. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 100.0.32.116 (talk) 14:54, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

Completely agree, the keysmash image is barely even a shitpost anyway. FishandChipper 🐟🍟 15:13, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

This article is ridiculous

It reads like someone with a predefined idea saw some political opponent use the term once and so decided shitposting means something political or inherently trolling. I'm not sure if anyone who worked on this article has any understanding of internet culture at all. Shitposting literaly only means low effort posting, and is from what I have seen done for a persons own amusement generally not some political conspiracy.93.107.90.109 (talk) 10:22, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

Complete rewrite necessary

As mentioned by others before me this article seems to completely miss the point of shitposting and has made it appear as tho it is somehow a tool for politcal use??? While shitposts can be political in nature this article seems to imply theres an inherent political (specifically right-wing) edge to shitposting which is nonsense. FishandChipper 🐟🍟 15:18, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

This is the first time I’ve looked at a wiki talk page in a decade, first time I’ve posted to one in two. As the person above says, this article is actually misrepresentative at this point. It’s almost as if someone wrote it as a shitpost. 2601:602:8A02:34F0:ED60:FE2:BF10:4E8F (talk) 03:07, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

goblin mode

add "goblin mode" to the popular culture section- the phrase was popularized by a twitter shitposter (@JUNlPER) and it was named oxford dictionary's word of the year in 2022! 2600:1005:B16A:75DF:0:50:88FB:B301 (talk) 06:35, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

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Suggest adding an examples section

After skimming this article, I am still not crystal clear on what shitposting is. This article could use an examples section to help clarify things. –Novem Linguae (talk) 08:51, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

"Poopposting" listed at Redirects for discussion

The redirect Poopposting has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 December 6 § Poopposting until a consensus is reached. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 06:37, 6 December 2023 (UTC)