Talk:Shit/Archive 2

Archive 1

Archive 2

European Origin?

While roaming around the web I found a mention that the term SHIT comes from the label on the side of boxes when it was being transferred from one side of the OCEAN to the other. The long and short...

Back in the early era, manure was recognized as being one of the best sources of fertilizer. As England expanded over the ocean, the demand for manure increased, causing captians to pack more and more into their boats. To prepare for the transatlantic crossing, the manure would be dried out to make it lighter (and eliminate the smell!) but as the boat transversed the ocean, water would leak in and get into the manure by soaking through the boat and te boxes. This would cause it to start decomposing, releasing methane and other gasses. While this wasnt much of a problem to the crews health, lighting a candle or other light source would cause an explosion, possibly destroying the ship. This led captains to label the side of their boxes "Store High In Progress" (S.H.I.T) This usage of terms eventually came to apply to manure in all forms. The manure was contained in boxes to better protect it from the water.

Javascap 20:30, 12 October 2007 (UTC)Javascap

yep, you right, I thought it was Store High in Transport , though. —Preceding unsigned comment added by CoKayne8me (talk • contribs) 11:21, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Neither is true. This is a good example of a backronym: http://www.snopes.com/language/acronyms/shit.asp The clue was in the start of your comment: "...roaming around the web" is not a good way to find the truth. maderlock (talk) 15:03, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

South Park Episode

In the South Park Epidose "It hits the fan", Chef researched the word 'shit' in the library? The wikipedia article on shit says : "It was originally adopted into Old English as scitte, eventually morphing into Middle English schītte." Scitte is mentioned on the South Park episode. But the wikipedia article does not mention the word Shit developing near the time of the black plague and this being the reason for its taboo. Does anyone know anything about this? Is the wikipedia article lacking or did South Park lie about history? --Jon in California —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.127.73.181 (talk • contribs) fuck.

As South Park is an entertainment Cartoon series it doesn't lie about anything it bearing shows what happended in the fictional South Park Universe. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Joeking16 (talk • contribs) 15:14, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Use as transitive verb

In Australia and New Zealand, "to shit" is to cause great annoyance to someone, much the same as to piss someone off, eg "Geez that Reginald shits me". For emphasis "to tears" is often appended: "How come these buses are never on time? Fair dinkum, they shit me to tears." This probably warrants a mention.

The Shitten Shepherd

Rather than the past participle, shitten makes more sense as describing the state of being soiled. Take the original line: For if the priest be foul in whom we trust, no wonder that a common man should rust, and shame it is to see, let priests take stock, a shitten shepherd and a snowy flock. --Infrangible 13:46, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

What the asterisk is with the "censorship"?

What's the point of all the asterisks? If any page in wikipedia has a right to have a complete shit, it's this one... Quirkie 23:16, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

it was fixed while I was reading the page! Quirkie 23:31, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Yep. The "censorship" was a good-faith but illjudged edit by an inexperienced user, I guess. It was quickly reverted. If you see something like that, you can edit it out yourself, though warning about it on the talkpage like you did is good too. Thank you. Bishonen | talk 23:33, 2 May 2007 (UTC).

Pink Floyd mentioned in "Acceptance" section

How can the reference in their song "Money" be mentioned, but not the reference in The Trial from their album, The Wall? "You little shit! You're in it!" —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.236.142.218 (talk) 22:58, 10 May 2007 (UTC).

"The Trial" doesn't get played on the radio. The section isn't about the songs, it's about the acceptability of the word "shit" on broadcast television and radio. The songs are just examples. --Bongwarrior 01:43, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Shit from Shinola

Great article. It is clear that you have got your shit together and kicked the shit out of the wowsers. You should not give a shit for the views of the knockers. As Janice Joplin once said, some things "don't mean shit to a tree".... Captainbeefart 14:19, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

This article is locked?

I wanted to make a grammatical change to a sentence in this article, but it's locked.

In the first paragraph, there is a sentence that says:

"Shit or shite is a vulgar word in Modern English vulgarly denoting feces."

Is the second mention of the vulgar nature of the word shit necessary? It makes the sentence seem improper to me. Eyknough 04:32, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Added Later:

I verified my email address... and suddenly the edit links have appeared. I'm going to go ahead and make the change I suggested above.

Yeah and will someone add a reference to the portamanteu "shart" under the last paragraph of the "Usage" section? It's a good example of what they're talking about and should be added since this ingenious new word has no page of it's own. For anyone who's been living on the moon a shart is when you let out a fart and unexpectedly shit a little. I'd add it myself but I'm too lazy to create an account.

I always used Shite Differently from Shit

Shite for me is more continuous, less aggressive and more commonly dismissive.: 'How was the gig? - Shite.' Just common place bad.

How was the gig? - Shit. Far stronger.

Anyone else find this? Reaper7 20:33, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Shite (pronounced with the I as in eye rather than the i as in Indian) is, I believe, a Scottish pronunciation, SqueakBox 20:34, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

It's also Irish, especially the Dublin area, and with a long pedigree. James Joyce refers to Dublin as "that city of spite and shite" very early in the twentieth century. Lavengro1954 (talk) 23:08, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

Well in London shite as in sh'eye'te is just as common as shit now. Maybe it was brought down by the scots after Trainspotting but it definitely in the vernacular down here now. Reaper7 21:14, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

No idea whether trainspotting was the culprit but I spent time in Scotland in 85 and that was the first time I heard it (I'm from the south east) but it had become common in London by the 21st Century indeed, SqueakBox 21:41, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

You smell some original research coming up mate? Felt like a lot of the stuff i researched in Uni was shite anyway, might aswell deal with the real thing and if someone asks, we can say with pride, we researching shit..Reaper7 21:53, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

I think people in London tend to use it more and more. Most of them seem to do it to distinguish themselves from the Americans. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 193.132.242.1 (talk) 11:02, August 22, 2007 (UTC)

Shite is a different tense like shat though its normally used to mean exactly the same. People have used Shite in the south east for at least 80 years. (86.156.5.139 (talk) 21:36, 20 May 2008 (UTC))

The term "shite" is used in the UK and is in no way different in reference than the word "shit." It is simply a different dialect's usage/pronunciation. No one is harmed by either word and it smells the same, regardless of which word you use. The severity of one versus the other is an irrational distinction.

Can remember shite being used often in london in the fifties - if its any help. Also am currently researching the comparatively recent use of germanic pronunciation of many words in sussex (south saxons) where linguists have found remnants of germanic word endings and pronunciations as late as the 1930's - given that the sussex dialect/accent is virtually dead now - the possibility that the Scheisse sylable remained in use here is likely. Also have never heard anyone here say 'shoot' as a replacement for shit or shite - except in american films of course, sugar is fairly common, as was Scwheppes (the soft drink company) not so long ago. 81.107.147.216 (talk) 23:54, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

I feel the need to agree with Reaper.. Shit and Shite are completely different, and are used in different contexts. Shite is a much softer, somes jokey version used at times when shit would simply be too harsh.. "the film was shite, the meal was shite" usually followed by "well it wasnt really that bad"... The meal was "shite" means it wasnt great, youve had better, it wasnt worth the money etc. The meal was "shit" implies it was inedible. Completely different useage in many parts of the UK (agreed in some parts of the UK shite directly replaces shit) but it areas for instance the south west where i live they have different uses. If i said someone was a shite they would not be overly offended seeing it as a joke, if i said they where a shit i would get punched. Dimspace (talk) 12:32, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Can't login, not at home, got here randomly. Anyway, that over - I've lived in Kent, Devon and West Wales - and all the people of my age, having just turned 20, tend to directly replace shit with shite. I've got Northern friends, Welsh, Southern, Midlanders... just noted that the article specified Northern England specifically.90.208.56.217 (talk) 23:24, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Picture

Shouldn't there be a picture for this article? Surely it wouldn't be difficult to find one.

No. This article is about the word, not feces. Says so in the template at the top of the page. WLU 16:13, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Use in Politics

President used the word shit when talking about Heznollah with Tony Blair before he was unaware the microphones were on somewhere. shouldn't we add this.141.155.150.153 23:40, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Which president? And we are not obligated to include every single incident of trivia on pages - unless this got substantial, notable coverage, it's not really suitable. WLU 00:53, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

I think we also need to add the phrase "shitstorm" which is used in political situations sometimes. Woolfy123 (talk) 23:27, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

hoo...hoo...haaa..haaaa.hhaaaaaaaa..................... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.199.20.180 (talk) 02:45, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Funniest article

This article is the funniest Wikipedia article I ever read. I nearly passed out from laughing. I think it should be given feature status or smth. More people need to read this shit. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.120.253.157 (talk) 06:27, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

"The Shits"

Should be included. A article exists on Uncyclopedia and it means "being scared shitless." 205.240.146.188 (talk) 07:10, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

"Ain't that the shits" means "What an unexpected experience" —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fireflyman (talk • contribs) 05:06, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

In the Uk 'the shits' means a bad case of diarrhea 81.107.147.216 (talk) 23:56, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Sweeney Todd

I would imagine that the use of the word shit in "the ballad of sweeney todd" would have been highly unusual for a broadway show at the time69.9.26.6 (talk) 17:49, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

One thing forgotten

Something the article on SHIT did not mention is the expression "Fuck this shit!" which can be taken both literally or figuratively. Other than some crude forms of porn, the term is used mainly to express a feeling of giving up on something or to display a sense of danger in which the said person wants no part.71.231.47.87 (talk) 19:33, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

"Shitting" redirect to "defecaton"?

The gerund/present participle form shitting used to redirect to defecation, and I think that is a better redirect and should be restored. Other (vulgar and otherwise) gerund forms properly redirect to the process in question and not the noun form of the word. Pissing, for example, redirects to urination. A similar, but not exactly analogous example is making love or having sex, both of which redirect to sexual intercourse. Fucking used to redirect there (and I think it still should), but now goes to fuck. I really think that these vulgar gerund forms should go to the articles that most represent the form of the word, and in this case, it's more accurate for shitting to redirect to defecation than to here. Should the redirect be changed back? MahlerFan (talk) 13:43, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Actually, making love redirects to a movie of that name. Still, you see the argument.

MahlerFan (talk) 13:45, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

It should probably be determined by the most common uses of the link on Wikiepdia. If most uses of shitting are profanity, then it should redirect to shit. If most of them are referring to the biological function (which I suspect is unlikely) it should redirect to defecation. I'll take a look on What links here? for shitting and see if there is an obvious pattern. --Legis (talk - contribs) 12:47, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Censorship

Can someone put up a picture of someone defecating. This would really illustrate the article and the meaning 81.86.220.130 (talk) 00:32, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Except this page is about the word use and not excretion. WLU (talk) 02:25, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

I agree, the image of someone defecating should be put on the defecation page. This page should only include a picture of faecus. Maybe with some flies around it 81.86.220.130 (talk) 12:55, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Again, this article is about the word shit, not about faeces. There are relevant images on that page. If you disagree with the consensus about images on the Muhammad article, trying to disrupt Wikipedia to make a POINT is not the way to voice your disagreements. Dreaded Walrus ^{t c} 15:03, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Wow! First, I'd like to make the point: shitting, taking a shit, and other terms would indicate the act of excretion and the term "feces" is a synonym for the word "shit". Therefore, it IS related to this article. Secondly, not every article MUST have a picture. If a related article has a picture, then duplication is useless and, in fact, an inefficient usage of space/data storage. There is no need for such a picture. - Daniel W. Peer SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.155.29.8 (talk) 23:48, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Missing link

Recommend adding a link to Shit Happens.

Re: Jack Schitt

Should this be edited for this joke biography?: Jack is the son of Awe Schitt and O.Schitt. Awe Schitt, the fertilizer magnate, married O.Schitt, the owner of Needeep.N.Schitt Inc. They had one son, Jack. In turn Jack Schitt married Noe Schitt. The deeply religous couple produced 6 children: Holie Schitt, Fulla Schitt, Giva Schitt, Bull Schitt and the twins: Deap Schitt and Dip Schitt. Against her parents objections, Deap Schitt married Dom Schitt, a high school dropout. However, after being married 15 years, Jack and Noe Schitt divorced. Noe Schitt later remarried Ted Sherlock and because her kids were living with them, she wanted to keep her previous name. She was then known as Noe Schitt-Sherlock. Meanwhile, Dip Schitt married Loda Schitt and they produced a son of nervous disposition, Chicken Schitt. Two other of the six children, Fulla and Giva, were inseperable throughout childhood and subsequently married the Happens brothers in a dual ceremony. The wedding announcement in the newspaper announced the Schitt-Happens wedding. The Schitt-Happens children were Dawg, Byrd and Hoarse. Bull Schitt, the prodigal son, left home to travel the world. He recently returned from Italy with his new Italian bride, Pisa Schitt. There would be a bit at the top about the current redirect (if you are looking for yadda yadda yadda). Legendary Joe 16:29, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

I have redirected Jack Schitt to this article. Its contents were nothing more than a joke, and unlikely to become a full article. Furthermore, Wikipedia is not Uncyclopedia. Dr. Cash (talk) 17:40, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

I totally ate shit

It'd be nice to cover this totally bizarre expression, in which the person who falls is said to "eat shit." Someone falls on a bike and reports on it by saying "I totally ate shit."

67.162.142.76 (talk) 14:34, 31 May 2008 (UTC)polar

"I TOTALLY ATE SHIT" means they enjoy eating human or animal excretion.

their forgetting a pretty common 1 "If Stacy finds out i lost her purse shes going to flip shit" meaning flip out, go crazy, or get pissed off66.223.210.123 (talk) 11:28, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

SHITTTT MAN!!!

this means that they are extremely shocked at one person about what they have done. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.242.148.30 (talk) 13:49, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Fuck usually accompanies shit when a person is in extreme anger. What about "fucking shit"? "That shit is fucked up!"? "Nothing but a fucking piece of shit!"?

Hotshot

I linked "hotshot" on the shit page to Hotshot (stock character) because that seemed like the closest definition to the usage of the word. If you think another definition is closer link to that, but surely it does not mean all 17 definitions listed on the disambiguation page¹.--Naughtius Maximus F@H Woof! MeowMUN 07:37, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

• Good point: "hot shit" refers to only one meaning of "hot shot". But as far as I know, its use to praise a person is the commonest meaning. I restored the link to "hotshot" but revised the "hotshot" disambiguation page to place this meaning at the top, followed by your "stock character". Unfortunately, since paragraphs are not numbered, I can't think of a better way to single out one meaning, except by the phrase "said of a person". See Urban Dictionary: Hot Shit - http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Hot%20Shit, which cites only this sense of "better than the rest".Fbarw (talk) 20:44, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Official Weight Measuring Unit for Shit

This is not an official measure! It is the invention of the South Park creators! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.43.238.203 (talk) 21:22, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

The official international standard of measurement for the weight of shit is the "couric."

1 couric is approximately 2.5 pounds.

The world record produced by a human being is 100 courics.

The difference between ‘shit’ and ‘manure’

The article does not really set out the difference between ‘shit’ and ‘manure’. There are agricultural differences. There are various differences between connotations. There are differences with regard to censorship. The effect of these cultural differences affects our relationship with the land and sanitation. --Internettime 11:11, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

THis article is wrong

shit was developed in early times when they shipped manure. When the manure was shipped deep in the hull the methane gas would build up and in some cases create an explosion. In order to prevent this you would have to ship the manure closer to the deck of the ship to let some of the gas escape. AS a result of this the acronym S.H.I.T. was put on all manure cases being shipped. This stood for Ship HIgh In Transit.

That's a myth. Unless you can verify it, it has no place in the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.80.112.152 (talk) 07:23, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

I have corrected the information -- IRP (talk) 02:13, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

You used an urban legend reference as proof? Your reference even states this is a myth. Postoak (talk) 16:03, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Reverted and didn't explain your reason

I moved this discussion here from my talk page.

On my first edit, I said that I would like whoever reverted this edit to contact me on my talk page and explain your reason, but why didn't you tell me why you reverted this? I know that you said that "The reference provided indicates this is false", but how? I read the reference, and that's the information I got from the reference. What made it wrong? -- IRP (talk) 16:36, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Please check the article's talk page where I responded (as well as the edit summary). It should be discussed there and not on your talk page. The reference you provided clearly states that the acronym is an urban legend...a hoax. That is why I reverted your edit and provided references indicating the origination of this word. I'm moving this to the article talk page. Thanks, Postoak (talk) 17:06, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Then why does the reference say that it started as an acronym? -- IRP (talk) 17:20, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

No, it doesn't say this. Please read the reference you provided. Origin of the S-Word: 'Ship High in Transit' - Netlore Archive. Postoak (talk) 17:27, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Here's what I read:

After that, the bundles of manure where always stamped with the term "S.H.I.T" on them which meant to the sailors to "Ship High In Transit."

-- IRP (talk) 18:39, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

You are "the Shit" like Hot Shit.

This is a positive affirmation, a complement.

Query: 'take a shit', where does that expression come from?

Where does the expression 'take a shit' for easing ones bowels in a facility designated for that purpose come from and why isn't it 'leave a shit'? I assume it evolved as a contraction of 'take a shit break' which would have been a vulgarization of 'take a toilet break'.

e.g "Sergeant, I'm going to take a break." "What kind of break, private? Will you be taking a lunch break or your annual 4 weeks leave? When may we expect you back to complete the unpleasant and dangerous task our company commander has assigned us today?"

"Uh, what? I'm just going to take a shit behind that bush over there." "Ok, don't go too far and don't forget your shit tool." "My what?" "Your entrenching tool, take it with you, to dig a hole. No one wants to step in your leavings."

Just reorganised the entire "Usage" section

I just reorganised this section into a lot of smaller sub-sections, as it was way too long. Also removed the cleanup tags as it looks like they were probably referring to this. ~ Keiji (iNVERTED) (Talk) 15:07, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Green Day reference - clarity issue

"On December 3, 1994, Green Day performed "Geek Stink Breath," on Saturday Night Live, shit was not edited from tape delay live broadcast." The end of this sentence is nonsense. If anyone knows what it is supposed to mean, reworking the syntax would be nice. Seb144 (talk) 05:50, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

It is not well-worded, but the intent is fairly obvious and anyone should be able to understand it. It would be better if written like this; "On December 3, 1994, Green Day performed "Geek Stink Breath," on Saturday Night Live. The word "shit" was not edited from the tape-delayed live broadcast."

The implication is that on that day, the word "shit" was used on air, despite the delayed broadcast which would allow someone to "bleep out" the word. Of which, I presume the relevance is that no Government body objected to or fined SNL, NBC, or it's parent company. That would validate the usage of "shit" as an acceptable term.

shat a cat

include the past tense use, synonymous to shit bricks, 'I shat a cat!'

Shit Hot

A good example of shit being used as a complement. it is commonly used in military terminology in which complements are rarely given out to troops, by saying their turn out is 'shit hot' they mean it is fair. 'shit hot' is referring to the temperature that faecal matter exits the human body, it isn't really hot, but is warm and that's the reason why the term is a slight complement.

no need to invoke "grow a pair" on a topic about shit

To "grow a pair" is a gendered and highly sexist phrase because it implies that only men have courage. This phrase is irrelevant to the content of this page and could easily be replaced by one that is non-gendered.

I suggest a replacement of:

  1. "Oh, I'm sorry I forgot to invite you to the party, it was a complete accident... 
      But you really didn't miss anything anyway.
  2. "You're full of shit! You had dozens of opportunities you could've invited me. 
      If you have a problem with me, why not grow a pair[3] and say it!"

by:

  2. "You're full of shit! You had dozens of opportunities you could've invited me. 
      If you have a problem with me, why not say it!"

76.10.139.84 (talk) 04:39, 6 November 2008 (UTC)Chris Neale

 Done I've also trimmed it slightly to:

1. "You're full of shit! You had dozens of opportunities to invite me. If you have a problem with me, why not say it!"

ϢereSpielChequers 09:05, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Shithouse

The word "shithouse", meaning a place in which to defecate, needs a mention somewhere in this article... In Australia, we also use the word "shithouse" to mean "awful" or "terrible" - "The company was good, but the food was shithouse". Are there any other uses of this term? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Neenish Tart (talk • contribs) 09:15, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Yes, it means a small wooden hut that has a toilet. It's quite simple, really...--andreasegde (talk) 00:22, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

How about the American equivalent of shithole? Of course quite further popularized by the line from Saw where the character Adam says:

I went to bed in my shithole apartment and I woke up in an actual shithole!

24.184.184.130 (talk) 00:20, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Also in the USA, the term 'shithouse' or 'shit house' typically means a bathroom, restroom, etc., possibly more typically a dirty restroom. It has also appeared as part of the name of an obscure Aerosmith song, 'Shit House Shuffle'. Was released in the mid-90s as part of a box set of hits and unreleased material as part of the unreleased matter.

Shit Don't Stink?

To say that an individual's "shit don't stink" is a commonly used phrase denoting egotism or hypocrisy on a said person's part, the connotation being that they are on a level above everyone else or just better than them, hence their shit doesn't stink whereas everyone else's does. This seems like a worthy addition to the article in my opinion.

-Alan 24.184.184.130 (talk) 21:22, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Dipshit

"Dipshit" redirects here, but there are no references to the word in the article. Why is this? I mean yeah, the base word "shit" is part of it, but still, doing a redirect to an article with no information on the topic seems silly. Have noticed this on several other topics, but haven't thought to complain about it before. 98.208.65.56 (talk) 22:31, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Could be that someone created an article for dipshit, and it wasn't considered worthy for an article, by itself. 惑乱 Wakuran (talk) 09:30, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Edit protected request

{{editprotected}} I was thinking of adding a line in the etymology section about how although 'shit' has its cognates in the Germanic languages, in the Romance languages, the word 'merde' and its variations throughout different Latinate languages essentially means the same thing. I believe it is relevant to this article.--HeniousMacaw (talk) 20:32, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

There are cognates in vulgar French also, which has many Germanic words (the Franks were Germanic): chier = to shit; les chiotes = the bogs, the carsey, the shit-house. Lavengro1954 (talk) 23:19, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

Hi, please state the precise sentence you want added and where, preferably with a source which verifies it. And then use {{editsemiprotected}}. Thanks, — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 22:54, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

It doesn't seem that relevant to me. It seems to be a common eolution for languages to have a vulgar term or curse word meaning feces. But anyway, please write the sentence you had in mind here. 惑乱 Wakuran (talk) 00:33, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

The Shit

There should be some references to the saying "this is the shit" which is good, not "this is shit" which is bad.Sonicblue4 (talk) 07:21, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Inappropriate

This is too vulgar to show on this site. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Umeshictmaahixc (talk • contribs) 02:35, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not censored! 208.59.175.169 (talk) 04:37, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

go suck a dong —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.89.18.208 (talk) 10:32, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

This is an encyclopedia. It has all right to be here for the intent of knowledge in whatever area. Woolfy123 (talk) 02:02, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Australia

Shit is a fairly mild profanity in australia, and can be used (infrequently) in PG rated tv programs, which can air at 6:30 PM onwards. This is at a time when children would be expected to be watching (with family). I'm sure it's the same in the UK and Canada.

It's not the same in the UK. It's rarely heard on TV to be honest, and not deliberately before 9pm. Bretonbanquet (talk) 22:56, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Synonymous with crap.

In this quote I have found an obvious error.

"Shit can comfortably stand in for the terms bad and anything in many instances (Dinner was good, but the movie was shit. You're all mad at me, but I didn't do shit!). A comparison can also be used, as in Those pants look like shit, or This stuff tastes like shit. Many usages are idiomatic. The phrase, I don't give a shit denotes indifference. I'm shit out of luck usually refers to someone who is at the end of their wits or who has no remaining viable options. That little shit shot me in the ass, suggests a mischievous or contemptuous person. Euphemisms such as crap are not used in this context."

In bold I have highlighted the error. To say crap cannot be used interchangeably with the word "shit" in a phrase such as "I don't give a crap." or "This stuff tastes like crap." is obviously wrong. In fact, though not commonly done in some cases, the term crap could actually be used in every example within the above quote. The idea is to compare the value of something, tangible or intangible, to solid waste. In essence, the value of the flavor of the food eaten by someone who says "This stuff tastes like crap/shit." is zero. That phrase is meant to imply that the food is worthless because the taste is so bad. Therefore, either term (Shit or crap) can be, and are commonly, used.

The most uncommon usage of crap above would be "I'm crap out of luck." I attribute that not to a difference in meaning or usage, but because that phrase is well established in that form. One would no sooner say "I'm shit out of fortunate circumstances." than "I'm crap out of luck." The issue is not a difference in meaning of the words, but common recognition of the exact phrase and the acronym "SOL."

This is not something you find reference to in a book, but a persuasive argument based on practical application.

Please, change the definition to better reflect reality and remove the sentence "Euphemisms such as crap are not used in this context."

- Daniel W. Peer

I could be wrong, but I think the final sentence 'Euphemisms...' refers only to the penultimate sentence 'That little...', given that a) this context not these contexts is used and b) the word crap isn't used to describe a mischevious person. I could clarify by adding the word 'last' (not used in this last context) but I want to wait and see what other people think. Hadrian89 (talk) 03:22, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

I would argue that crap is, as I said above, fitting in any of the examples in that section of the article. "You little crap." or "You little turd." would both imply a person of no worth or value. It would have the same meaning. I still hold that crap is totally interchangeable. And, upon deeper examination, it seems the the author has a false understanding of why "shit" is used in those situations. For instance, "Shit can comfortably stand in for the terms bad and anything in many instances (Dinner was good, but the movie was shit. You're all mad at me, but I didn't do shit!)." indicates that shit is a substitute for "anything" but it is not. That saying is meant to imply that the person saying it has done nothing wrong. The key is that "shit" is give a value of zero and that value; ie nothing, is what shit is replacing. It's a matter of understanding context. One can read this article and think that the ways "shit" is used are totally nonsensical, but it is a practical usage of the term. And, for the record, I don't mean to stir up trouble for people. I just have no issue with the word. - Daniel W. Peer —Preceding unsigned comment added by Danielwpeer (talk • contribs) 21:05, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Rewrite as redirect to Wiktionary

I propose to completely rewrite this article, and make it a redirect to Wiktionary. Veraladeramanera (talk) 02:37, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

I Object, I say we keep it here firstly you have given no reason as to why we should change it second, this sort of proposal has happened on bollocks, wanker, fuck etc and has been rejected every time Kungfukats2 (talk) 10:01, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Little Fool picture

{{editprotected}} I don't think the Kleine Narr picture at the top is all that relevant to this article - can someone with access remove it? 86.166.69.55 (talk) 10:09, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Done - Done here. Not sure how it got in there, or what on earth the relevance was. Anyway, thanks for pointing it out. Cheers, — Deon^talk 14:15, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

In 'Vague noun' ...

Quote: "Shit can be used as a generic mass noun similar to stuff; for instance, This show is funny shit or This test is hard shit, or That was stupid shit. These three usages (with funny, hard, and stupid or another synonym of stupid) are heard most commonly in the United States."

Says who? Did the author of this sentence travel the world and note down in which country they heard people say shit the most in? Even so, this is supposed to contain no original research. The point I am trying to make is that it is a ridiculous, irrelevant and unfounded statement to make.

Funny as shit

The part "saying that something is as funny as shit would be taken as a negative statement" I don't know where someone got this but thats completely wrong. I don't know of anyone that would consider that to be negative. I know if myself or anyone I knew said something was funny as shit it would be assumed to be very funny.

Overall this is a very poorly written article with countless wrong definitions.

Redirected from "hip-hop". Vandalism?

I was redirected to this page after clicking "hip-hop" and "hip-hop culture" in other articles. I'm new to editing pages and such, but I'm sure this must qualify as vandalism (since the article on hip-hop are now inaccessible). Anyone who knows how to fix this and find out who did it? Dhaka-dice (talk) 16:27, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Probably was vandalism, although the word is profusely used in a good amount of the music, how much is really unknown but there is enough usage to state that the word is in common use in that genre. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.23.157.140 (talk) 18:47, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

{editsemiprotected}

Could an established user please include an edit to explicate the broadcast television rules for profanity under that section?

Profanity IS allowable, even on broadcast television, between the hours of 10 pm and 6 am--a period referred to as "safe harbor." Therefore network programming that edits "shit" and other profanities out of its broadcast material between those hours [as in the case of Saturday Night Live] is electing to do so, not because it is required to do so.

EMERGENCY ACRONIM

An attempt to introduce this term as an acronim failed in the LONDON POLICE. An officer repeated the term three times over the Metropolitain Police Radio. When challenged to his misuse of profanities on the radio he explained that this was his acronim for Send Help In Trouble. The reason he repeated it in three consecutive bursts was in keeping with the emergency procedure when giving an urgent meassage which was followed by the term Authentic, Authentic, Authentic. The London Police did not adopt the term. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.175.160.213 (talk) 10:35, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

When you put "crap" like this (no pun intended) in an encyclopedia, it's no wonder that you are hurting for donations.

I think that this is inappropriate for an encyclopedia. It is at least trivial. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.184.247.44 (talk) 13:17, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

Etymology of shit

This word has its origins in the Norwegian language. #REDIRECT [[ http://www.freedict.com/onldict/nor.html]] In the Norwegian, it is spelled "skitt" (like the Norwegian "skip" (vessel for water travel), pronounced "ship" in the English language. There are four English synonyms: "filth", "dirt", "grime", "shit". Once, when visiting cousins in Norway (and, being a real blue nose at the time), I about fainted when my very kind and proper cousin, Solveig, said to a pet, "Oh Bitsy, you are a skitt(en) dirty) dog!". So, while the word has low-brow status among decent folk in the new world, back in glemme (old) Norway, it is not scandalous at all!

So if you have wondered where this "shit" came from, now you know!

--Ordsmit Skrivener (talk) 20:44, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

If I can add on to that:

Merriam-Webster's 11th Collegiate Dictionary gives two etymologies, one for the noun and one for the verb. Sorry I couldn't add a link to their website, but here it is, straight from the CD-ROM dictionary:

(noun) Middle English *shit, from Old English scite; akin to Old English -scītan to defecate

(verb) alteration of earlier shite, from Middle English shiten, from Old English -scītan; akin to Old High German scīzan to defecate and probably to Old English scēadan to separate — more at SHED

www.merriam-webster.com/ is the link. They should have the same information on there. Thanks Woolfy123 (talk) 02:09, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from RollzK, 22 August 2010

{{editsemiprotected}} under the "vague noun" section, it says "Note also that in a phrase like this, the speaker doesn't include the term as; saying that something is as funny as shit would be taken as a negative statement (shit not being a very funny thing to be)." This is not true, making it a metaphor doesn't do anything for the context. "Funny as shit" is about the same as "funny shit", but I would say "funny as shit" makes it more positive than "funny shit", definitely not negative. Maybe this was added by a non-native American English speaker? change the whole sentence to "'Funny as shit' can be used to refer to something funnier than 'funny shit'." RollzK (talk) 00:34, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Done I've just removed those those sentences, as it sounds like original research anyway. Dabomb87 (talk) 02:18, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

You cant just say the acronym is false even if it doesnt sound true. I dont think its true at all only a retard would accept that as fact but its not the job of wikipedia to decide what is and what isnt if they cannot completely prove it to be so. I read both tyhe referance articles on why the acronym is a falsity and i believe them but there just opinions from other people with internet articles. You cant back up a hear say fact with some more hear say. the acronym is most likely false. but it shouldnt just be said that it is. it is better to tell people its extreamly unlikely that simply false if you have no evidence. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.87.118.2 (talk) 00:15, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

shit, shat, shitted or shitten?

Sonmeone answer this, im tired of saying "he has crapped". Thank you.

The Czech republic mentioned in this article, why?

In this article there is a picture example of use of this word. I think there is NO need at all to publish where the picute of use was taken, in this case saying it was in the Czech republic. Why is so important to mention by which group of people was this word used at public? In my opinion and I believe that also in eyes of many other czech people this could be found insulting, I understand that it is important to publish the source, but it's not really necessary to say "Look at czech people how they ALL commonly write on walls such words." It is the kind of publicity nobody would want. Whether the author meant this or not, I would appreciate if the image's description was changed to something like "use of word at a public place". Thank You for keeping Wikipedia objective and neutral, from Czech republic \(^_^)/ PS: I apologize for all grammar mistakes, i believe there must be some. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.102.146.77 (talk) 21:51, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

LOOOOOL —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.214.2.74 (talk) 19:06, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

Urban legend behind 'shit hits the fan'

Probably one of the more commonly used expressions, there is an urban legend that while on the face seems plausible, as most have some shred of truth to them, may partially explain where the expression 'shit hits the fan' or variants come from.

There was a bar, and it had a good crowd the night this supposedly hapened, and in the center of the ceiling of the bar was a large ceiling fan. During the course of hte evening, one of the guests went upstairs via a stairwell in the bar, and he did so because he had to defecate. As often happens at a bar, people get drunk, and this was apparently the case with the person, maybe not, but aside from that, he searched for a toilet and found what he thought was it and proceeded to 'do the business'. Instead of a toilet though, the hole was apparently large enough, and it was where they had mounted the ceiling fan in the ceiling of the bar below, and the feces he passed fell right through the hole onto the fan below. The fan was running, so the feces were thrown all over the bar. As one would well guess if such a thing happened everyone scattered. A few minutes later the man came down and someone noticing he had not been there when the feces fell onto the fan said 'Where were you when the shit hit the fan?'. And that is how the expression allegedly came about and since stuck.

Euphemisms

Article should include the above section. For example, among common American euphemisms for "shit" are: poop, poo, poo-poo, wow-wow or wow, doody or doodie, No. 2 (infantile speech, e.g., to a child by a parent); crap, to do a dump (as in, "I need to do a dump," (contemporary slang for defecate). An example of infantile usage, other than to a child, might be when a "proper matronly lady" stepping out of a cab at the Ritz, says, "Oh shit! I just stepped in some doggie wow!"

The phrase is 'take a dump' and why would a someone use the word shit as an exclamation then replace the noun? --Nialligimino

74.233.44.144 (talk) 16:29, 19 June 2011 (UTC)Wolf Lorber

Edit request from 99.235.163.3, 5 July 2011

Please note that 'shithawk' is a slang name for a seagull.

99.235.163.3 (talk) 23:18, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Jnorton7558 (talk) 00:12, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from MisterTadakichi, 9 July 2011

Please add the hyperlink "http://shitbrix.com./newest/mindfuck" to the end of the first passage under "Surprise" in "Usage" on this page, as the website it links to provides an adequate citation to the preceding sentence.

MisterTadakichi (talk) 17:57, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

 Not done unreliable and dodgy source. Monkeymanman (talk) 21:51, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Edit request on 1 December 2011

december 1 2011

84.75.153.35 (talk) 21:11, 1 December 2011 (UTC) june 25 2012

Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. Zidanie5 (talk) 00:16, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

The word is not the thing

The intro para talks about the word shit, first describing its social evaluation and then giving definitions. The point is not that shit itself is vulgar and profane -- it can in fact be valuable as fertilizer -- but that the word "shit" is. I have clarified that by changing the opening from

Shit is usually considered...

to

The word "shit" is usually considered...

--Thnidu (talk) 16:49, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Good idea! Anything that reduces ambiguity is good, in my opinion. — UncleBubba ^{( T @ C )} 18:38, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Bullshit

Someone can also be said to be 'chatting shit' or 'talking out of their arse' if they are indeed bullshitting or talking bollocks - in this sense the addressee is believed to be lying or 'making shit up'. The clean version of this would be 'chat egg', something else which is deemed quite smelly. 'I smell shit' or 'I smell bull' are phrases used to unveil a bullshitter, but can be commonly cleaned up to 'can you smell something?' or 'it's starting to smell a bit over here' as a joke between two people that are listening to someone talk out of their arse - usualy bigging themselves up to sound like 'the shit'. --Nialligimino

Shit a Brick

If someone is 'shitting bricks' then they can be scared or nervous or this is also used to mean constipated. Also, someone might say "fuck that shit" referring to something they are not going to do, because it is either a menial task, something they cannot be botehred to do or something they are scared of - Fuck that shit man I can't be bother to do that or fuck that shit - I don't wanna die! --Nialligimino

Why is this page here?

Because it's funny to define Shit? This is an encyclopedia, not a dictionary. What here is worthy of being an encyclopedia entry? Definitions and etymology?

The first pillar of Wikipedia: Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. It incorporates elements of general and specialized encyclopedias, almanacs, and gazetteers. Wikipedia is not a soapbox, an advertising platform, a vanity press, an experiment in anarchy or democracy, an indiscriminate collection of information, or a web directory. It is not a dictionary, a newspaper, or a collection of source documents; that kind of content should be contributed instead to the Wikimedia sister projects. 173.216.127.58 (talk) 03:10, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

With all due respect, that is just a bunch of shit. You can't seriously cry over a page devoted to shit when pages such as Ass to mouth and Anilingus are flaunting pseudo-pornographic imagery.

Joke?

Was this page intentionfully made to look like a South Park episode?

I'm sorry, but no. Any resemblance this page has to South Park is entirely coincidental. Rotorcowboy ^talk
_contribs 18:04, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

French usage of "merde" as "good luck"

Under "break a leg," a common expression among artists for "good luck," one also finds the French word "merde." I can confidently state this is still in use in the Canadian provinces of New Brunswick and Quebec.

1. How to link "See also..." to this page? Only auto-approved users may edit.

2. How best to provide solid references for Wikipedia purposes? ZappoTheGentleman (talk) 14:32, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Usage in songs

The song "Legs" by ZZ Top has a line which says "Shit, I gotta have her!" The song got played unedited on the radio since it came out in 1983 until recently. Some stations now play an edited version where the word is eliminated or replaced.

Displeasure or Quality?

The section titled "Displeasure" should be retitled "Quality". This section really describes how the word shit is used in professional settings when discussing serious matters such as quality assurance.

Semi-protected edit request on 13 December 2013

huzaifah machher Hmachher10 (talk) 17:05, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

Not done: please make your request in a "change X to Y" format.

Displeasure

Also under the section "Displeasure" (this concerning accuracy) - is the word "crap" a euphemism? I have seen people on (non-Wikipedia) websites asterisking the word "crap", though I know not why. (This on websites that do not automatically censor "crap", so that there was no reason to be getting around any filter.)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 September 2014

There's this part I want to add on how the word was used so much back in the 1980's. 118.209.37.214 (talk) 09:11, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

Not done: as you have not requested a specific change.
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In regards to the part the vague noun sections, I think a few more examples would help make clear the many ways can be used. "You left your shit in my car last night." - Used to replace a word similar to "thing" or "stuff", or used to implicitly refer to an illegal thing or drug. Another example:"This shit is awesome." or "This shit's so boring." - Used to show emphasis, can be used with both positive and negative connotations.

First use in mainstream film?

The TV usage section is interesting, but what was the first mainstream film to feature the word? The variant "Bullshit" is uttered in the 1968 release Bullitt but it must have been used prior to that. 70.72.211.35 (talk) 20:35, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

Shit or S.H.I.T.

As I understand it, the word SHIT was derived from the days of the old sailing vessels when manure was sent overseas to help with cultivating crops. Because of the combustible nature of the bagged product it was recommended it be stored on top of the other cargo, thus enabling it to be extinguished or thrown overboard should it catch fire. The bags were thus stamped S.H.I.T (Store High In Transit). I would welcome any comments supporting this or otherwise!!!

Thanks,

Mick — Preceding unsigned comment added by 49.176.98.196 (talk • contribs)

We've seen this before, and it sounds delightful. If you can find a reference for it in a reliable source it can be added to the article with pleasure. You can add it yourself if you have such a reference. I suspect it would need to be away from the main derivation/etymology, since it appears to be a folk take. DOn;t add it without such a source though. It was wise to place it here, on the talk page rather than in the article itself. Fiddle Faddle (talk) 12:46, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

I doubt the word itself originated from it, though. Sounds like something for the "Backronym" section. 70.72.211.35 (talk) 20:35, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

In his book Port Out, Starboard Home and Other Language Myths (Penguin Books, 2005) Michael Quinion specifically deals with this theory of the origin of the word. He says it originates from a chain e-mail that did the rounds in 2003 and which was "another product of an inventive but twisted mind" before going on to point out that the word actually comes from the Old English word scitte to mean "diarrhoea". Or to put it another way, that rumour is a load of old store high in transit. Keresaspa (talk) 01:00, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

"The Shit"

I would like to add reference to the slang usage of "the shit," as in "My new car is the shit," that is "good." I know this usage is common in the United States. I need to research it's use in this way in other parts of the Anglosphere. —JamesReyes (talk) 01:38, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

In common parlance in many countries where English is spoken, especially the United States of America, shit has taken on the meaning of many different things. For example drugs (as in "you wanna try some of this shit"), knowledge (as in "you really know your shit"), problems (as in "I don't care about your shit"). The common background seems to be things that are unpleasant to be mentioned, named or talked about. JHvW 23:19, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

Archived a few threads

Archived a few threads, specifically, those that were marked as resolved, and/or quite old with zero new comments for some time. — Cirt (talk) 00:03, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 February 2015

In the first paragraph, I have heard that the word is vulgar, but I never have heard of its being profane. The "profane" part should be removed. Gamingforfun365 (talk) 04:55, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Edgars2007 (talk/contribs) 05:53, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

Well, this is bot the exact proof, but here is the definition of the word. It said nothing about its being profane (though it did say that it is taboo): http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/shit Gamingforfun365 (talk) 02:46, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

Never mind that; I recently have learned that it [b]is[/b] profane after all, so never mind. Gamingforfun365 (talk) 02:56, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 September 2015

Except when talking about another person shit can be used as shitting. For example "he was so scared he was shitting himself" or i was walking in the park and i saw somebody shitting in a bush.

Shit can also be used in terms such as, "i don't give a shit", "who gives a shit", "no one gives a shit", "no shits were given that day".

It can also be used to describe something you don't like, "what is this shit"

Idioms such as "the shit has hit the fan", he will know about it "when the shit hits the fan" or look out "the shit is going to hit the fan" meaning things are about to get messy or have gone wrong. ~

Already done Both forms of usage are already there, Shit#Vague noun and Shit#The verb "to shit" Cannolis (talk) 10:20, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

Other uses

In UK English "shitting a brick" is often given as "bricking it". The expression was used last week by one of the presenters on BBC's The Great British Bake-Off. Also, as well as "vague noun", the word can be used to mean "belongings" or "personal possessions", as in the phrase "get your shit in a sock" meaning "to tidy up" or "get prepared" generally. 20.133.0.13 (talk) 13:37, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

What made the word profane/vulgar?

This aspect seems to be missing from the article. Who or what originally decided this was a "bad" word? Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 02:48, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Eric Partridge states that it was standard English until the 19th century when it became a vulgarism. I do recall reading somewhere (unfortunately I can't remember where exactly so this isn't reliable) that a bunch of these words became vulgar around the early 19th century when people's habits changed and the growth of private toilets and the like suddenly meant a lot of taboos grew up around both the acts of and the language of human waste production. Up to that point people had had to go in public a lot more often so there was little point in being sheepish or modest about it. But as I say I can't recall where I read that so don't quote me. Keresaspa (talk) 01:27, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

I have shit on my head

The word shit likely developed out of the middle east from the Hebrew word 'שטן' (Sht'n), which is for Satan. This is why it is considered profane and why the phrase 'holy shit', is/ should be considered highly blasphemous. It is likely to have developed into a common term for faeces in humour as 'the work of the devil'. This also is why when something has gone horribly wrong, the terms 'gone to shit' really brings about its relevance. I3R0K3N7FEET (talk) 13:19, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

Yours is highly WP:OR. See its etymology. Zezen (talk) 14:48, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

Should be in Wiktionary instead?

Much of this article is just extended dictionary definition with examples; does it really belong on Wikipedia rather than Wiktionary? Ben Finn (talk) 08:48, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 May 2017

Ship HIgh in Transit...for moving manure as not to get wet causing chemical reaction heat/fires. 73.255.240.122 (talk) 16:48, 13 May 2017 (UTC) Ship High in Transit...for moving manure as to not get wet and heat and cause fire

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SHIT

do we have pictures for SHIT?174.26.117.173 (talk) 04:30, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

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Disagree about content added about a study

This content was recently added, I removed it, but it was put back in by 7&6=thirteen with the rather cryptic comment "Sorry you don't see its relevance, which apparently exists in the eye of the beholder." Here is the paragraph which is by way next to impossible to understand for a layperson: One recent study argued that "shit studies" is a cross-disciplinary meta-field of rhetorical inquiry about human communication and reasoning. The authors explained, "rhetorical studies has theorized 'shit' in terms of the communication of transformation, style, and textual relations," particularly in relation to claims of expertise to topics such as "anti-semitism" and "wine-tasting." They conclude that bullshit speech is one-sided discourse that is difficult to penetrate because it contains "ideological barriers to the expectation of mutuality," working to deflect critical responses. Why is this important? What's the relevance? To me it seemed like one of the authors just added it to the Wikipedia article to make sure they get more readers. If it's so important then please convert the text to more simple language which a layperson can understand. - Are we now going to give each new publication on this topic an equal amount of space in this article? It is written by the way like a literature review. Things like "the authors explained" is in my opinion not encyclopedic style. EMsmile (talk) 18:49, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

I'm certain we can agree on a 'more encyclopedic style.' Rather than getting into a dispute with you.... Do you have a suggestion that you could live with? Cheers. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 19:06, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

United States section

There is a section in the Usage on television in the United States subsection:

The word has become increasingly acceptable on American cable television and satellite radio, which are not subject to FCC regulation. In other English-speaking countries, such as Canada, the United Kingdom, the Republic of Ireland, Australia, and New Zealand, the word is allowed to be used in broadcast television by the regulative councils of each area, as long as it is used in late hours when young people are not expected to be watching.

But this is right under the sections for Canada and United Kingdom specific subsections. I just wonder if this would be better added to the specific country usages above it. Capturts (talk) 19:00, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

Usage in campaigns

The section "Usage in campaigns", what sorts of campaigns, what medium and where? Capturts (talk) 19:04, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

"Merde" is not English!

Why have we a subsection for "merde" ? This French word is related to shit solely by meaning. IMO this does not belong; it belongs either in an article having to do with "the ballet world" or in the French w.p. article for shit. Unless someone can explain why it belongs here, I am coming back later to take this out.Wikkileaker (talk) 12:51, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

It provides world context. Many is the time that I have been skiing at Vail or at Les Trois Vallées and heard the French (or Swiss) tourists make their exclamation. Ooh la la! would be second. At the top of the hill. WP:Not paper. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 13:45, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

This article is for the English word.Wikkileaker (talk) 16:41, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

WP:Not paper. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 16:46, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

S.H.I.T was a label used in early New England I thought as a warning label for dried bat guano on wooden ships. Ship those crates high as once moisture gets in, it begins to ferment, heat, cook, become combustible material rather quickly. Most couldn't read much, so the short abbreviation was made of SHIT to warn sailors not to put those loads on the ground level to save the ship from fire.

"Gówno" listed at Redirects for discussion

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S.H.I.T. acronym

SHIT as an acronym - referred to elsewhere here - apparently means Store High In Transit, for reasons explained. It's not uncommon in naval circles to hear this explanation but it's obviously making clever use of an existing word.— Preceding unsigned comment added by FR Gr (talk • contribs) 09:47, November 24, 2019 (UTC)

@Fr Gr:, this is a type of False etymology, specifically a Backronym. A backronym is what happens where a phrase is constructed to look like an acronym that explains a word but is created long after the word has already been in use. As the article itself makes clear, shit or its antecedents has been in use for literally hundreds of years. Acronyms in the English language, on the other hand, are almost entirely a post-WWII phenomenon. I hope this helps. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 18:08, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

Yes, it does, thanks.

Built like a brick shithouse?

The phrase built like a brick shithouse is used in the United States to compliment a curvaceous woman, but in other English-speaking countries to compliment men with athletic physiques.[11] This meaning originates from the observation that most shithouses are rather ramshackle affairs constructed of plywood or scrap sheets of steel.

So, the "brick" shithouse is not made of bricks, it is made of plywood and scrap metal?

This is not my understanding. For a person to be regarded as being "built like a brick shithouse", it would mean that they are very strong and solid. A brick shithouse (ie a (public) convenience) would be made solidly and strongly so a person being compared to one would be large and muscular.--David Humphreys (talk) 11:26, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

I submit we are talking about outhouses that are overbuilt beyond the normal expectation. See here and there. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 19:32, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

@David Humphreys:, your understanding of the phrase is not in contradiction to the passage from the article you reference: it appears you misinterpreted the text. The bit about 'ramshackle affairs built of plywood and scrap' describes ordinary shithouses, which are not brick shithouses. I can see how the text as written could easily confuse a reader - perhaps a clarification could be added to the end of that sentence in parentheses, if any of y'all think it's needed. (I have no opinion one way or t'other). Firejuggler86 (talk) 22:04, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 June 2020

"Profane" refers to language that is insulting in a religious context. A better word would be "obscene." 47.27.74.39 (talk) 02:36, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

 Not done. It's not clear what changes you want to make. Moreover, it already uses "vulgar" to offer a slightly different description, and in at least one place in the article, the use of "profane" in the sense you describe is specifically addressed, so changing that would be inappropriate. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 03:32, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

What's unclear about the changes the IP wants to make? He thinks the article should not refer to the word shit as profane (on which point I agree) and that it should use obscene instead (which I disagree with). He is technically correct that it is incorrect to classify the word shit as profane, and I do not agree that Wikipedia is obligated to, or ought to be misusing words in wikivoice just because people commonly do. However, he is wrong about 'obscene' being the proper label: it is, as you said, 'vulgar'. But not obscene. Firejuggler86 (talk) 22:54, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

Editing required - Backronyms section

I've noticed a couple of issues under the Backronyms section:

• "Ship High in Transit" appears amongst backronyms which are based on college names, and should be relocated (my suggestion: mention it before, letting college-based backronyms flow forward to the following sentences).
• There are two links to the backronym article (my suggestion: make the second one not a link).

I'd happily fix the issues myself, but I can't because the article is semi-protected. Writing here instead, in the hope that someone who can perform edits will take care of it. 95.90.235.121 (talk) 13:40, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

Miksi

kuka sallii kirosanojen käytön tietosanakirjassa? Jos lapsi lukee tämän se oppii uuden kirosanan. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.143.239.108 (talk) 10:54, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 February 2021

2600:6C60:5800:55B:F449:620E:DFEB:D072 (talk) 16:20, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

Can you please indicate what change you wish to see? IdreamofJeanie (talk) 16:24, 17 February 2021 (UTC)