Talk:Sharpay's Fabulous Adventure

Title

I just saw a commercial for a sneak peak of the movie, and it's still titled "Sharpay's Fabulous Adventure." Can't it be confirmed that it is in fact now called "High Stakes"? ≈Alessandro ♫ ^{T • C} 23:49, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

We have a reliable source saying the title is "High Stakes". I think the title has changed again but we need a recent reliable source confirming the film's still titled Sharpay's Fabulous Adventure. Once we get it, we can change the article's name for sure. Decodet (talk) 02:00, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

The new DVD "Who is Hannah Montana" calls the movie "Sharpay" in it's bonus features, which has Ashley Tisdale talking about it. Myzou (talk) 23:19, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Page moved. Vegaswikian (talk) 21:39, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Sharpay's Fabulous Adventure (film) → Sharpay's Fabulous Adventure — No reason for (film) disambiguator; there aren't any other "Sharpay's" anythings. — JohnFromPinckney (talk) 18:01, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

• Support This is a no-brainer, totally agree on this, No need for "(film)" in the title. QuasyBoy 19:35, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
• Support per nom. Uncontroversial, I should think. PC78 (talk) 22:10, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
• Support because there is no need for the disambiguation term when there is no other topic of the same name. Erik (talk | contribs) 14:21, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
• Support Agree, No need for (film) in the title. MC RIDE (talk | contribs) 21:10, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
• Support. I think this can be snowballed. BOVINEBOY2008 05:45, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Cameron Goodman's role

I see there's been some back-and-forth editing on the subject of Cameron Goodman's role in the film. I just want to chime in and say I've read the interview carefully and I agree with Rocknldokn. It looks like Goodman is saying that the role she (Goodman) plays is Sharpay's idol, and that character (Goodman's role) is named Amber Lee Adams. I know IMDb lists the character's name as Lisa Lamore (which could have been from an early draft of the script), and I'm not familiar with the Tommy2.net site well enough to know how "reliable" they are either, but maybe we could list both names with a little note like -

Cameron Goodman as Lisa Lamore (Some sources reporting Goodman's role as Amber Lee Adams)

- until we get solid confirmation one way or another. --- Crakkerjakk (talk) 21:43, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Release

How does everyone feel about adding a release section to this page? Here's my mock up:

The film is being released on Blu-ray and DVD on April 19th.reference 1 The release will come in three different format packages: A stand-alone DVD, a 2-disc DVD+Blu-ray combo pack, and a Limited Edition set that includes a DVD+Blu-ray+digital download, as well as a pink clutch purse. reference 2 The Blu-ray disc includes bloopers and two featurettes: “Evolution of Sharpay” and “Austin cam: Austin Butler student film.”

Sure, sounds good. Especially if you can site a reference for the info. --- Crakkerjakk (talk) 13:44, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

Awesome, thanks for the feedback. I went ahead and added the release section to the article with citations. --TravisBernard (talk) 17:37, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

Cameron Goodman credit removed?

This topic was worthy of a discussion here and now it's not sourced?

1. The Wikipedia entry for Cameron Goodman's character was wrong.
2. I posted a source where she stated the real name of her character.
3. It was taken down and disputed here on the discussion board.
4. A month later, now since this name has been confirmed you keep it listed - but deny the source credit? Remember you folks were wrong on this. No wonder this blogger always rails on wikipedia.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Rocknldokn (talk • contribs) 07:39, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Firstly, it was only 3 weeks, not a month. Secondly, the citation wasn't really "taken down", it was removed twice by one editor in the space of less than two hours but was restored and has remained in the article, in the production section, where it seems more appropriate. It wasn't really discussed either. There was a single post.[1] What you seem to miss is that the name was listed at some reliable sources as "Lisa Lamore". Unlike some blogs, Wikipedia tries to present content from a neutral point of view, so listing both names is appropriate until such time as there is definite confirmation one way or another. It's not a case of anyone being wrong or right. Wikipedia has rules against personal opinion and we have to work in accordance with our policies. Finally, when you post something on the talk page, please sign it so people know who's posting. --AussieLegend (talk) 09:34, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

The credit wasn't removed. The source is still listed (it's #14). I was the only one who posted about it here on the Discussion page where I said I agreed with you that the Tommy2.net article looked like she was saying her character's name was "Amber Lee Adams", and I suggested we list the name (which you did at the exact same time I was typing it). The reflink was cited twice and yes, one of them was removed. Because other editors were repeatedly removing the reflink from the cast list - I suggested we only needed to list it once. The reason for this is a little hard to explain, but I'll try - some admins with semi-automated capabilities will periodically go into articles for "clean-up" and "short-hand" reflinks that are cited more than once. This was done with your Tommy2.net reflink and then other editors (not me, or any of the editors "watching" this page that I know of) came along and kept repeatedly removing the first reflink from the cast list (probably deciding that we had the reflink in the paragraph with your explanation and that was enough). This action "breaks" the short-hand reflink because the complete link is no longer part of the page. After this had happened several times - I went in, fixed the reflink in the paragraph with your explanation to be a "stand-alone" reflink, and made a note that we didn't need to keep listing it twice - that way the next time an admin came in, shortened the second reflink again, and the first reflink was inevitably removed again, the link would not be broken again. I know that's a long explanation, but to put it simply - The decision to leave it out of the cast list (and cite the source once in your paragraph) was to preserve the source reflink. There was no ill-will intended. The name on the page was changed to "Amber Lee Adams" and the reflink (#14) is still on the page for anyone who wants/needs proof. That being said - In a few weeks the film is going to be released and I'm sure there are going to be many fans of the High School Musical franchise as well as fans of Ashley Tisdale who are going to swarm this page and most likely do a complete rewrite. Once the film is released most of the references for the early information (including characters' names) is going to be obsolete. The plot and characters are no longer going to be in dispute to anyone who sees the film, so don't be disappointed or offended if the page is completely rewritten (including discarding many of the early reflinks) after the film is released. --- Crakkerjakk (talk) 09:54, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for explaining. You both obviously took time to respond, and the having the link mentioned twice wasn't necessary as you stated. I do have a few thoughts though.

First off, this is a living encyclopedia and we've discovered that over time there was misinformation about the character played by Cameron Goodman. In that case, should it not be part of the article? Considering she is one of the key characters in the story and 7 months after they wrapped shooting it people were still using the wrong name? Why should this fact be obsolete? Actually in that interview, she says the script had fake names to prevent leaks. Perhaps that's where Amber Lee Adams came from. This actually leads to a bigger question of mine. Is this an example of Wikipedia trying to be something it's not? Is this a factual historical site - or one that speculates on the future and actually tries to one up rumor sites on being the first place to have information. It certainly feels that way, and in this case it seems that the things you claim to be a 'reliable source' aren't as reliable as a 'blog'. Where did Amber Lee Adams come from? IMDB... another user generated site?

I don't understand why you suggest it needs a neutral point of view? It doesn't matter if Ellen DeGeneres or Tommy2 does the interview - the answers came from the actress from the movie. It doesn't matter if an interview is from a Zine, Blog or National TV. You're nitpicking at a source that the actress appeared on... not the words that she said (which would be the same regardless of where she appeared). Last month, the site featured a one of a kind Ashley Tisdale pre-release CD and mentioned the editors name was in her first CD. I looked it up in my copy and it's there. The line before it reads "A very special thank you goes out to all the people of the press! A few early believers include.."

Sorry, I guess I'm kind of annoyed by Wikipedia. Almost every page I visit I find errors on, there are lots of chronological issues, and yet the editors even in this instance claim to have such high standards. It's great for math & science type of documentation but not too reliable on a young/new actor or performer. --Rocknldokn (talk) 19:59, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

The different reports of the characters' name are part of the article. I'm saying that once the film comes out, the citations about what the original name of the character might have been may well be considered obsolete because anyone who sees the film will know the name of the character - the film itself becomes the definitive reference for plot, characters, cedits, etc. Whatever the original name for the character may or may not have been may be deemed "trivial" (if not completely irrelevant) by the people who will inevitably be completely rewriting the article after the film's release, and reflinks proving something that is established by the film itself may no longer be considered necessary. As far as what is considered a "reliable" source - yes, many "blogs" and/or "gossip" sites do get exclusive interviews with actors/directors/singers, however, anyone can start a "blog" and say they've "interviewed" a star (whether they have or not) - Without first building a "notable" reputation themselves to confirm their "reliability" as a source, it is difficult to know which blogs are "reliable" and which ones are not. I wasn't saying the Tommy2.net site wasn't reliable; my point was that I had no personal knowledge of the site or it's standards for "reliable" information (and I personally don't know the actress well enough to recognize her by her voice alone), so I suggested both names for the character be listed (which is exactly what you added while I was typing it). My suggestion is that you not take edits to your contributions on Wikipedia personally - as is stated here on Wikipedia every time an editor makes a contribution - "If you do not want your writing to be edited, used, and redistributed at will, then do not submit it here." --- Crakkerjakk (talk) 00:13, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

Disney Channel Original Movie

The beginning of the film says that the film is a Disney Channel Original Movie. Should it be listed as that as well? --DisneyFriends (talk) 20:45, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

Sharpay's Fabulous Adventure- Known as High School Musical 4 or 5?

Hi, I notice that the title of this article in the Wikipedia "Sharpay's Fabulous Adventure (sometimes High School Musical 5)" contradicts another Wiki article entitled "High School Musical (film series)" in its subsection "Sharpay's Fabulous Adventure (High School Musical 4) (2011)". Does anyone know whether the High School Musical spin-off, "Sharpay's Fabulous Adventure" is the fourth or fifth in the series? I'm not sure myself. Could someone please sort out the apparent contradiction. Thank you. Mrs muffet (talk) 00:06, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

It's not either the fourth or the fifth film. It's just a spin-off. Decodet (talk) 00:58, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for responding to my question Decodet and for editing the problem away. Mrs muffet (talk) 07:04, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

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