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Relations with Keijo Imperial University?

Its history as an imperial university of Japan is, however, never mentioned at its official site. The site only says that it was established in 1946.

What exactly does this want to say? 1. The University officialy doesn't acknolwdge its orign. 2. The history at the official site is incorrent. 3. Simple omission for human factor? -- Taku 03:46 Mar 16, 2003 (UTC)

I don't know its formal position. What is sure is that it makes no mention of Keijo Imperial University at http://www.snu.ac.kr/engsnu/about/history.htm and other college history pages. But I found few pages mention it, so "never" is inaccurate. BTW, what's "Keijyu"? I've never heard such a word. -- Nanshu 07:39 Mar 16, 2003 (UTC)

SNU is founded by acquiring Geongseoung Imperial University, Geongseoung Industrial College and some more colleges in 1946. Officially, people in Seoul National University doesn't think its origin is from Geongseoung Imperial University. -- Gene H Park 01:01 April 14, 2004(UTC)

But their linkage is obvious. Keijo Imperial University had 予科, 理工学部, 法文学部 and 医学部. I checked the websites of the SNU colleges corresponding to these departments. Today the College of Law and the College of Medicine do trace back their histories to Keijo Imperial University. SNU can ignore it with a notional operation but it seems difficult to hide the fact when they mention to the details. --Nanshu 02:43, 9 Jun 2004 (UTC)

I think we are talking about the history of Seoul National University. not about the colleges of the Seoul National University. In the wiki page about the colloges of Law or the college of Medicine, we can trace back to the Geongseong Imperial University. But we can't say the origin of Seoul National University is from GeoungSeong Imperial University. -- Gene H Park 07:07 January 17, 2005(UTC)

Perhaps. But it seems to me that you are being especially averse to mentioning the influence of the Japanese on Seoul National University. Somebody reading the article and not already aware of this would not know that the Japanese had anything to do with Seoul National University.
Also, it's really strange to me that we should not mention Keijo Imperial University except in some sub-article about the colleges. First, these articles are nonexistent. The reason is that such articles would probably not of be of much interest as the main article. Second, clearly these early colleges and their forming is highly relevant to the overall history. --C S (Talk) 03:48, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

there is a deep and rich history behind SNU, and it is known as the best school in the country. It would be great if the intellectual history of this institution is dealt with briefly in this article. For example, the founding of certain departments at SNU, how they were formed, and how they have been applied as models at other universities in Korea. The role of professors Emeriti such as Kim Won-yong and others should be addressed -- they are giants in the formation of the intellectual base of this country. The Museum at SNU has a rich history as well -- one of the top institutions in the country charged with finding and explaining the origins of Korean people, etc. Noticed that there are people who hang around this article and quickly swoop down on any edits that are made -- not cool. Please read the guidelines for Wikipedia and consider the philosophy of this site. Is SNU really without a history? Have a great day 수고하세요. --Mumun 16:58, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Please make it clear: do not delete 'imperial'. It was official name of the univ, wasn't it? This is very important, for a certain college of SNU is actually trying to distort, plaster its history. Why some of you are tryin to hide it? We usually do not call the univ as 경성대, but 경성*제*대. SNU claims discontinuity(unfortunately a certain college doesn't, however), then so be it. --Thereforethelord

I am not trying to hide its history.
Keijo Imperial University officially reorganased as Kyongsong Univ, excluding Japanese faculties and students on 17 Aug. 1945, two days after the Japanese surrender. Hence, it is TECHNICALLY INCORRECT to state that KIU is merged into SNU, because KIU and Kyongsong Univ. is different institution. (not completely different, I admit, but there were no Japanese faculties and students, and the curriculum was significantly differenet from the former)
If you are attempting to indicate that Kyongsong Univ is the successor of KIU, go ahead, because IT IS TRUE. but do not modify Kyongsong Univ. in its history section into KIU, please.
BTW: There was no institution named Kyongsong Imperial University, the term "경성제국대학" is only valid as a local name for Keijo Imperial University. Its name is "Keijo". --Kerilka 03:28, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
It's quite clear. My mistake. Yet I think Keijo material may be attached right behind KYONGSONG UNIV while clarifying your precious knowledge. Currently I am busy, so this I shall do in my leisure... --Thereforethelord

Some concerns

The long lists, large empty spaces, and underdeveloped sections detract from what can be a showcase article.

  • Do the order of sections as they stand serve the article well? I suggest that the order of main sections be reviewed and possibly changed in order to present basic information about this university.
  • The university infobox is quite large. Is there any way to shrink the size of the university crest a little? Furthermore, the other graphic at the bottom of the infobox needs to be resized. I am not sure how to do this and so I would ask someone to consider doing this. The infobox is really long and is in part the cause of a large empty space that really detracts from the article.
  • I agree that the Organisation section, a list of faculties and departments, is critical. However, does the section itself need to be so high up in the article? How would it be if we placed the History section above the Organisation section?
  • The Organisation section, a list of faculties and departments, is presented in list form, which makes it long. How would it be if we created a separate list that is not located in the main article and summarise the list in the main article? Or keep it in the main article and present the lists in TWO columns (but I'm not sure how to do this!). There could be other solutions as well. Anyone?
  • The history section remains underdeveloped. I urge editors who are more knowledgeable than I in this matter to add sourced text ^^. Mumun 無文 11:59, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Translation

Translation of the Korean version of this page is almost complete. Help will be needed to incorporate it into the present work. Waygugin 07:09, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

  • I have now added the sections which I translated from the Korean site, except for the history section. It may be necessary to merge them, rather than just replace it whole sale. Here is the translated version :

The history of Seoul National University began with the announcement of “The Act to Establish Seoul National University” on the 22nd of August 1946. Since the end of Japanese rule, the nation’s top university had been Kyungsung Univerity, or Kyungsung Imperial University as it was known before liberation. Its schools of law, industrial engineering, mining, education, economics, dentistry, pharmacy, as well as other private and public schools were amalgamated to form the new university. The first president was Harry B. Ansted.

Seoul National University had been divided amongst various locations. In Seoul’s Jogno-gu, the departments of physics and law had been located in Dongsoong-dong, medicine in Yeongeon-dong, and theology in Euljiro. The College of Engineering, as well, was once in Northeastern Seoul’s, Nowon-gu.In 1975, with the exception of the College of Agriculture (now the College of Agriculture and Life Sciences, and the College of Veterinary Medicine) and the College of Medicine, all colleges were combined together on the site of the Gwanak Campus. The College of Agriculture and Life Sciences, in addition to Veterinary Medicine were transferred to the Gwanak Campus in 2003.

The present College of Medicine was largely developed on the model of Kyungsung Imperial University medical school and has had an intimate historical relationship with the Daehan Hospital


Waygugin 05:29, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

History section - Hangeul - Hanja

The history section in this article is filled with Korean terms and Hanja that makes the section difficult to read, almost as if the Hangeul and Hanja are competing with the English. I think that most people who look at this article will have little experience with Korean and will not have much use for the Korean terms. Since there is a pre-existing article in Korean Wikipedia that people are free to consult, is all this necessary? Other articles about things Korean are not peppered with so much Korean and Hanja. I think readability is greatly compromised here. How about removing these terms to help readers get an idea of the history of this important educational institution? Any thoughts? Mumun 無文 13:10, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for removing the Korean terms -- the article is much easier to read and is easy on the eyes now.Mumun 無文 10:49, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Comparison with Japan

The phrase, "Similar to University of Tokyo graduates in Japan" is irrelevant so I have removed it from the "Reputation" section. Waygugin 05:38, 13 May 2007 (UTC)


It is relevant! The SKY Universities are always compared to Keio Waseda and Tokyo, most usually by Koreans. (Japanese rarely make the claim however.)Bethereds 03:41, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

If it's always compared, then please place a source or link.--BirdKr 06:39, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
Furthermore, this is an English language article. English speaking people do not "always compare SNU with Keio Waseda..." etc. It's irrelevant to English-speaking people. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.240.61.2 (talk) 07:25, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

SKY schools

Someone's keep trying to remove information about "SKY schools" term. I just restored it and I think we should discuss about this matter. Regardless of actual academic positions and achievements of these universities, Seoul National, Korea and Yonsei are no doubt the universities that gets most public reputation in the country. (I personally wonder why KAIST and POSTECH are not in, but that's the other matter) SKY is not an official organisation, and I think the present article lacks some rigidity in that point, and needs to be improved. However, the SKY term is definitely the widely accepted term in South Korea referring the three universities, (search for google and/or Korean search engines like Naver, Empas, and you would get a tons of webpages using the term) and since Wikipedia is the encyclopedia, it should have information about it. --Kerilka (talk) 05:23, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Location

Dong articles now exist for Gwanak-gu. Could somebody more knowledgable please specify which dong hosts this campus? If you could also put that on the individual dong page, that would be wonderful. DaronDierkes (talk) 04:08, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

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DumZiBoT (talk) 21:57, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

SNU or Seouldae

The term SNU is not used at Seoul National University. It is colloquially referred to as Seouldae, a contraction of Seoul Dae Hakgyo. (University of Tokyo i.e. Todai is a case example). Should "SNU", an American-esque moniker, pepper the entire entry?

-SF —Preceding unsigned comment added by Snowfalcon cu (talk • contribs) 14:26, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

"National" is not part of the name of the school -- at least in Korean or Chinese. Therefore why foist that word on the English name? The Korean name translates -- "Seoul University" That's all. It doesn't contain 국가 anywhere in the name. Therefore, why use "national" in the English name? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.220.193.142 (talk) 21:47, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

The original name is 국립서울대학교, which translates to Seoul National University. The shya gate is composed of 'ㄱ', 'ㅅ', and 'ㄷ', the 'ㄱ' refers to "national."

Snowfalcon cu (talk) 02:05, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

SNU or Seouldae

The term SNU is not used at Seoul National University. It is colloquially referred to as Seouldae, a contraction of Seoul Dae Hakgyo. (University of Tokyo i.e. Todai is a case example). Should "SNU", an American-esque moniker, pepper the entire entry?

Snowfalcon cu (talk) 14:28, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

An interesting point. The "correct" colloquial contraction is "Seouldae", which is a Korean term. But this is an English wikipedia page, and SNU is more natural in English, and also the contraction most frequently used by English-speakers in South Korea (an American friend of mine is on the faculty). Are there any wikipedia guidelines on this kind of situation?
I know several alumni who use the term "SNU" in English, so I believe SNU is the correct term to be using on English Wikipedia. There are some guidelines (which I believe support my position)... I'll try looking for them when I have the time. --C S (talk) 04:22, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
According to Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(use_English), we should use the terms used in English in reliable sources. The University itself uses SNU not "Seouldae" in English. Furthermore, sources such as the New York Times use SNU in its stories, e.g. [1]. --C S (talk) 04:29, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

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