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Wikipedians

OK... I recently started the Wikipedians by alma mater: San Diego State University and I am hoping that other users will populate it. Streltzer 17:40, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

And you can now add this exciting userbox to your own page...

{{user NCAA-SDSUaztecs}}

So enjoy it! {GUEST} 3-2-06

SDSU Template

The new template added to this page needs to be populated with Wikipedia articles. The goal is to have pages for all of the major academic and research units for the university, without getting bogged down into the minor manners. This template was 'borrowed' from the UCSD template. Please help me get this right. Streltzer 01:09, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

SDSU Encyclopedia Article

Streltzer 00:19, 23 August 2005 (UTC) Updated this page to be a bit more current that what was on here before. This is one of the largest universities in the nation and it should have been better represented on Wikipedia. Anyway, it looks pretty good now. If anyone has a way to highlight some of the past SDSU accomplishments, that would be great to add. The SDSU Month website is a pretty good place to start searching for information. It would also be nice to see more research data placed in this article, especially about the San Diego State University Research Foundation.

[Guest] 31 August 2005 - Made some minor edits, and placed a new "history and important facts" section on-line.

[Guest] 11 November 2005 - Made some more edits, this type updating the page to be more current. I think I will try to get some pictures of the campus, including new underground SDSU Trolley Station, for posting here.

This is not an encyclopedic article. The thrust of the article is promotion. It's stuffed with every accomplishment or recognition the authors can gather. The prose is tilted like the marketing language of a standard school prospectus. But that makes it like any other Wikipedia school article: Not good. Lotsofissues 21:03, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

  • You make a great point. However, this article has gone through several revisions. The long narrative about the school's history and accomplishments has been deleted, but, you are right, the introduction to the university is still "marketing material" and not "encyclopedic." Any chance that we can collectively edit this to be more encyclopedic... probably not, since the persons who seem to edit this article are intimately interested in SDSU as alumni like me or are current SDSU students, professors, or community members, etc. How about someone from outside the SDSU community taking a shot at drafting a balanced article? In fact, isn't it the theory of Wikipedia that if an article loses its neutrality that someone (perhaps someone like Lotsofissues ) will then edit or revise the article to opposite viewpoint, with an eventual truce being called on further edits... thereby making the article an agreeable balance between opposing viewpoints? I hope that happens, and I look forward to further revisions to this article. Go Aztecs!!! Streltzer 17:59, 28 November 2005 (UTC)


With all the changes, the original reference to the "Starr" cite has been lost. Can the original writer expand the page 28 entry to show the full name of the source? Thanks 19:46, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Traditions

Come on now people, we need to come up with traditions that are worthy of inclusion in an encyclopedia article. Now I personally know Swinko, The Show, etc., and I think they are great guys, but how about including something about Monty and the dispute over the Aztecs/Monty Montezuma mascot? Now that is worthy of an encyclopedia article. Streltzer 20:09, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

That's true, and proof that SDSU should can Monty and get a new mascot. Monty's gotten old, which is good, but he hasn't aged well. Start a new tradition, change is good. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.212.152.223 (talk) 10:23, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Removal of self promotion/advertising/superflous images

There were two images in this article that were superflous...in other words, linking to the appropriate page (links have been retained) would have been sufficient to see them. Keep in mind there are practical reasons for this as well, since the article is already pretty long and adding images only mucks up the gears from a bandwith standpoint. I also took off some faculty from the "famous faculty" list. The criteria for this is simple, I think...the faculty member has to be noted/recognized/known for events or work OUTSIDE of the scope of San Diego State itself. For instance, being published in academic journals is universal to almost all tenured professors at an institution. This is not notable in the least. Being known for a particulalry exceptional or remarkable piece of work, on the other hand, qualifies the faculty member as "famous" or otherwise well-known. There were a few that I thought did not qualify, please see diffs for who those people are. This also applies to so called "renowned" institutions. A majority of large universities have their own presses and also their own literature department and again, the only reason for inclusion is if the institution in question can be noted for something other than its normal course of activity. That said, feel free to restore my deletions if you think they were removed in error and you have a good reason (that you can post here). Thanks. Go State! --IRelayer 21:25, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

  • I think it is appropriate to back in Khaleel Mohammed, PhD, SDSU professor of religious studies Link, as he certainly qualifies as having substantial notariety outside of the SDSU community (try a Google search of him to see what I mean). Any thoughts? Streltzer 00:07, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
  • I was iffy on that one...it seems fine though. --IRelayer 18:22, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
  • It looks like many of the English Dept. professors were put back into the "renowned faculty" list. I don't think that we have a consensus on this...until we do I suggest that we move them to the College of Arts & Letters page. Comments? Streltzer 18:05, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
No responses to my proposal...again, does anyone think that all of these English Dept. professors should be in this main article? Streltzer 17:57, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
I don't think the English professors should be included in the main page. From their pages, I don't see them as having done anything substantially important to warrant that position. Go ahead and move them to Arts and Letters. --D 19:32, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
Or perhaps it would also be better to split the notable alumni and faculty list to its own page and include a link from this page since the list is getting long and will only continue to increase in size. --Nehrams2020 19:42, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
Actually, that is not a bad plan...I have seen other university articles which have their "notable faculty" and "notable alumni" on seperate pages. I support doing that.Streltzer 01:44, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
How about this page {List of University of California, San Diego people} as a model? Streltzer 20:51, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Would "List of San Diego State University Alumni" work, following the same model? --Nehrams2020 21:12, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

I moved it to List of San Diego State University alumni and faculty. The section looks like it should be expanded upon though, instead of just the link. --Nehrams2020 03:47, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
This is a great solution. I think to fill the space we should put **very** prominent alumni on the main page and the rest on the new page. Thoughts? --IRelayer 06:47, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
The seperate article looks great. My suggestion is to keep all "people" on that page and not clutter up the main article with that information. If we do that, then we probably will avoid the issue involving the English Department professors (see discussed at top of this thread)...right? Streltzer 18:02, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
Of course, we still don't have a consensus on the "notable faculty" issue...should there be some sort of standard or rule to apply for inclusion? Streltzer 18:25, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
I agree with IRelayer that we should at least list the most prominent alumni from each section on the list just so their is not just a link directing viewers to the list. This is comparable to other colleges who have a small paragraph on some of their alumni with a link. For the professors, I don't think that we have to mention them by name on this page, but we should still keep them on the list. There is plenty of room on the list, and if the professors already have articles on Wikipedia, there's really not too much of a reason to remove them. --Nehrams2020 18:33, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Largest California Universities

OK, is SDSU still the third-largest university in California? I look at the enrollment figures for UCLA, Cal State Long Beach, Cal State Fullerton, and SDSU and it appears to me that SDSU is now the fourth-largest university. Should we change this? Any thoughts? Streltzer 17:44, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Images & Pepsi

I am about to add mutliple pictures of campus that I took today. Some I will put in the gallery, several throughout the article, and some in the articles branching off of the main SDSU page. If the picture is not notable enough to be included, please discuss it here to remove it. Please request any other pictures that may be important to the page or its daughter pages, and I will attempt to get the picture(s). Also, this year SDSU switched their soft drink provider/sponsor from Coke to Pepsi. I have a picture of the sign stating "San Diego State University Welcomes Our New Official Beverage Sponsor (Pepsi)". Should this be mentioned anywhere in the article that the main beverage has been switched? I think Coke has been with the campus for many years, and now has been completely replaced by Pepsi. I won't add the picture unless we decide to make mention of its addition to the article. --Nehrams2020 23:31, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

My recommendation is to not include anything about the Coke/Pepsi switch, as it really has little long-term significance to the school or its programs. Streltzer 01:33, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
I agree with Streltzer on that --D 19:28, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
Well, I think any switches like this should be included. Like the testing room switch that they did for the Transfer Writing Assessment (TWA) back in 2003. There was no need for that, and a good guess is that it was more Black Chalks. So, you should include all the SDSU switches from the recent years. Like the Monty switch.--76.212.151.63 (talk) 16:40, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
I must say I agree with that. Switches should be chronicled. Just like the new mailers they use to send out your test results. Why, they use mailers like that to send out your TWA scores! Yes, they do! And that's why switches should be recorded. I don't like mailers, myself, I think they're wrong, but that's what they used. And, personally, I don't like Monty, so any switches there should be recorded. You're right.--76.244.162.189 (talk) 14:18, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Significant Rankings and Distinctions

This new section is extremely long, and was taken verbatim from the http://advancement.sdsu.edu/marcomm/news/sdsufacts.html webpage. I like the idea of it but can we compress it? It also lacks citation to its sources. Someone needs to invest a significant amount of time to handle these issues. Streltzer 20:42, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

  • I went ahead and replaced the content with a link to the official SDSU rankings and distinctions page. Streltzer 01:22, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

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Fall 2007 Admissions

I deleted the following paragraph from the opening section:

  • For the 2007-2008 school year, San Diego State University received a record 57,167 undergraduate applications for admission -- a 9.3 percent increase from the year before, and highest of all CSU campuses. [1] In comparison, UCLA received 50,732 undergraduate applicants for fall 2007; USC: 34,000 for fall 2006; UCSD: 43,587 for fall 2006; and UC Berkeley: around 42,000 for fall 2006.

The author was right that SDSU's preliminary undergraduate application total for Fall 2007 was 57,167, but the accuracies stop there. That total, and the 9.3% increase, was for online applications only, which means that the "highest of all CSU campuses" title is questionable. Also, the numbers cited for UCLA, USC, UCSD, and UCB are for freshmen only and don't include transfer students, while SDSU's total does. I would have corrected the paragraph, but application statistics for Fall 2007 are hard to come by this time of year. --Foolishgrunt 05:18, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

rank on the Shanghai Jiao Tong University

According to this site [[1]] San Diego State is 301-400 on the top 500 world university rankings. Its the only CSU on the list, just thought that was noteworthy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.121.247.116 (talk) 01:02, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Drug ring on campus, arrest and jail

I added the suspensions, incarceration, and 7 fraternities, death of 2, plus the seized objects. 19-year Jenny Poliakoff and another student, from Mesa College both died of cocaine overdose on May 2007 and on February 26, 2007, respectively. Those arrested included students in the campus's Homeland Security and Criminal Justice programs and members of the Theta Chi and Phi Kappa Psi fraternities. San Diego State University suspended 6 fraternities after drug investigation – dubbed Operation Sudden Fall – landed members in jail. 2 kilograms of cocaine were seized, with 350 Ecstasy pills, 50 pounds marijuana, psychedelic mushrooms, hash oil, methamphetamine, illicit prescription drugs, other drug paraphernalia, 3 guns and $ 60,000 in cash.origin.mercurynews.com, Six fraternities suspended in drug probe at San Diego State SDSU President Stephen Weber spoke at a news conference, while authorities identified 22 SDSU students as drug dealers who sold to undercover agents, and 17 others supplied the drugs. The rest of the suspects apparently bought or possessed illegal drugs. Authorities further found that students from 7 fraternities were involved in the drug ring, which operated openly across campus.signonsandiego.com, 5 are students; DEA took part in yearlong operationwww.fox6.com/news, Family of Dead SDSU Student Reacts to Campus Drug Bust --Florentino floro (talk) 09:59, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

  • Is this really relevant to the article? I would argue that it isn't, many students (just like people with jobs) get arrested for criminal activity that isn't related to their school. SDSU is not related to these arrests, except very tenuously in that Pres. Weber held a news conference to say that SDSU won't tolerate drugs on campus. Having it prominently in the article makes it seem like SDSU is the only school with this kind of issues. I vote for removal. maxsch (talk) 18:51, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
    • It's relevant because of the size of the operation and number of arrests. It's gotten a lot of attention in the national media as well. It may be worthwhile to give it it's own article ("Operation Sudden Down"), but until then, merits mention. OhNoitsJamie Talk 19:24, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
    • In my opinion, its RELEVANT - BUT PERHAPS SEPERATE ARTICLE. It is relevant, but perhaps it should be placed into a seperate article...just as the San Diego State University shooting is in a seperate article. Streltzer (talk) 01:49, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
    • I would believe this to be relevant, especially for its considerable size. I think it was good to split it off, and then maybe a few brief sentences on the main article. I may this summer work on expanding the history of the campus, and branch that off, so more focus on this event can be mentioned there. I'll do my best to try and get a picture of one of the fraternity houses in the next few days/weeks for inclusion on the branched off article. For now, I think it's sufficiently written as it appears now. --Nehrams2020 (talk) 02:00, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
      • I split it off into it's own article. I agree that a current event shouldn't consume a large percentage of such an article per WP:WEIGHT. However, as the largest operation of it's kind in San Diego County, it is notable. I included the fact that the community has a mixed reaction to it. Perhaps others can add more as the story unfolds. OhNoitsJamie Talk 03:55, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
        • This looks like a good solution. maxsch (talk) 04:39, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
          • Whatever way, this drug thing must be put into this article, for it is a big point for neutrality and balance of this article. In my experience here in Wikipedia (with my 3,500 edits now), I had come across attempts by the Vatican and Queen Beatrix, inter alia, to edit by using their own PCs, Wikipedia contributions that they do not want. But because of Wikipedia high tech devices or scanners, they were caught. Thus, I state with certainty that this negative international report (and landmark police or law enforcement big War on Drugs versus Illegal drug trade), is rarely seen in USA legal history. Parenthetically, Roman Catholic Diocese of San Diego, regarding the $ 2 billion since 1963 settlement for pedo priests, if read in conjunction with this article, would suffice it to say, that San Diego is a sin city, that may in the future be bestowed upon, a dire punishment, like Burma. I am not scaring, these students of earthquakes, but "Just Sayin" and stressing the importance of world attention to this evil of drugs, destroying lives on campus. - --Florentino floro (talk) 05:20, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
Sin city indeed! Let me get this right. So are you saying that the cyclone that killed tens of thousands in Burma was punishment for the sins...hmmm, of whom exactly? And that San Diego, with its vicious combination of drugs and pedophiles (note to CBS: why is there no CSI San Diego???) should expect a devastating earthquake? And that is why it is important to have this stuff in wikipedia? I'm glad I still have my sense of humor. maxsch (talk) 02:02, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

WP CSU

 Hello, I noticed your recent edits and thought you might want to become a member of the California State University WikiProject. We've recently revamped the project page and started a drive to improve California State University-related articles. We have a lot of articles under our project and would like assistance getting them to good article status. Hope you'll join us. Go STATE!

--Dabackgammonator (talk) 05:46, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

SDSU

Another editor recently changed this article to remove the initialism "SDSU" and replace it with "CSUSD." He or she wrote in an edit summary that "This university is Cal State University at San Diego, not SDSU (South Dakota State Univeristy)." I dispute that rationale. First, this institution extensively uses the SDSU initialism itself, including in its URL www.SDSU.edu and all over its webpages and publications; I count at least nine uses on the institution's homepage alone, including campus images that include the initials. Second, sharing the same initialism with another university is insufficient reason to unilaterally change it in an encyclopedia article. Yes, San Diego State University and South Dakota State University share the same initials and that can cause confusion. But that's just how it is and we can't change that here except by being as clear as we can be when we write and edit our articles. We certainly can't decide for ourselves to suppress commonly used initialisms just because they might be confusing if used carelessly! ElKevbo (talk) 21:56, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

Of course you're right. Just think of UM or U of M. I've noticed the San Diego–South Dakota confusion for years, and it's just one of those things that it's not up to Wikipedia to try and fix. Rivertorch (talk) 22:42, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
You're absolutely correct. San Diego State University (SDSU) officially changed its name in the 1970s from California State University, San Diego to San Diego State University...so calling it CSUSD is completely incorrect. It's just like San Francisco State (SFSU) or Sonoma State (SSU). While it is still part of the California State University system, it follows a different naming convention.

Flagship

An editor keeps posting that SDSU is the flagship of the entire CSU system. This is not accurate. SDSU is the third oldest of the campuses. Citing an internal document from one of SDSU's programs, naming itself the flagship is not a proper citation. In 2007 the United States House of Rep. officially recognized SJSU as the flagship campus of the CSU system, as it is the founding campus of the system, and also does research. https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/110/hres365/text.SCraigA (talk) 05:12, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

I don't have a particular opinion or feel for the weight of evidence supporting this claim but it's important to note that (a) there is no single authoritative arbiter of the designation "flagship" but it's a term commonly applied by many different people, some of whom may hold notable opinions that differ, and (b) a congressional resolution isn't very good evidence supporting this (or nearly any other) claim since it's an act put forth by one congressperson that is much more political than factual in nature. ElKevbo (talk) 05:18, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
Flagship, as defined on Wikipedia, has many different meanings. In the case of SDSU - it does apply, and sources are not internal. One is from a news outlet (ABC News 10), another is from the student newspaper (Aztec), another from a news source, another form CA Senate recognizing SDSU as the leading CSU, etc. I believe there is ample evidence supporting this. I also know that there are some documents from the CSU Board of Trustee meetings from the early 2000s that publicly recognized/identify both Cal Poly and SDSU as flagship - I just need to find those also (at some point). SJSU only fits the "flagship" definition in that it is the oldest campus, it DOES NOT produce research - it is a comprehensive university, not a research one. This is again, how SDSU is probably regarded as flagship - it's the only research campus in the CSU, has the largest budget, second largest endowment, and goes further than MOST of the other 23.--Uwatch310 (talk) 05:34, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

You still have not posted any citations calling SDSU the flagship of the CSU system. Saying it is because they do research does not make it a flagship. San Jose State DOES IN FACT do research[2] [3] [4] [5] I would encourage you to do at least a little research before posting things. SJSU also manages the Moss Marine Laboratory, and does extensive research on the climate as it has the CSU's only meteorology department. Further more, I can easily find many articles and other citations calling SJSU the flagship [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] [11] a quote from the last one.... " The flagship school is San Jose State University, occupying 19 city blocks in the heart of the downtown area. As a highly ranked top-research university in the nation, SJSU currently offers nearly 70 bachelor's degrees and more than 60 master's degrees. Some 31,000 students are currently served by an award-winning faculty and collaborators from the corporate world and community." SJSU also now offers a doctors in Nursing, as well as a Phd in Engineering, and Library Sciences. As I said, please do not post false information. SDSU is not the flagship of the CSU system.


(ec)No, Cal State Long Beach is the flagship according to the Speaker of the Assembly and CSU trustee here. Basically, there is no single flagship campus of the CSU system. It depends on the local newspaper and which politician. I'd remove the claim from any of the CSU articles, and it's nothing but WP:BOOSTERISM anyway. Bahooka (talk) 05:36, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
The two news sources are referencing the same minor ranking system so I pretty much think of them as one source (which is really the ranking system). I'm ok considering the student newspaper a self-published source and I'm definitely comfortable questioning the reliability of a news article written by an undergraduate student as a judge of comprehensive quality of a modern university especially when the article makes explicit comparisons with other universities. The CA senate proclamation isn't terribly good evidence for anything other than one or more state senators or someone on his or her staff wanted to honor the university on its birthday; it's evidence of a political act, not one of expert judgment as to the status of quality of the university. In most (U.S.) legislative bodies those kinds of resolutions are usually passed without discussion as a matter of course so they're not good measures of the political opinion of the entire legislature or even a majority of it.
If you can dig up the CSU Board of Trustees documents then they might be some pretty good sources as that is obviously a body that has some authority to make the official designation for the system. They're not the sole authority on this by any means but they're certainly an important one whose official opinion/designation would almost certainly warrant inclusion in this article. ElKevbo (talk) 05:48, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
I don't think you get what a "research" university is. SJSU, or any other CSU at that (besides SDSU) is NOT a "research school" unless it is classified as such by the Carnegie Classification of Institutions of Higher Education. Every school does some extent of research, and has research based facilities, that's the purpose of a university. However, SJSU, and 19 other campuses in the CSU are simply "comprehensive" schools because they do little research, don't receive many grants for it, have the capacity for it, or have degrees that permit research - and the classification stands at a Master's granting (comprehensive) university. SDSU grants some 26 doctoral level degrees, from Ph.Ds, Au.Ds, etc, and thus grants students the opportunity for individual research - and SDUS also receives well over $100 annually for research activity. Thus the Carnegie Classification has identified the school as a research university with "high research" activity.--Uwatch310 (talk) 18:51, 14 February 2014 (UTC)


Also, SJSU does not confer any doctoral degrees. I just double checked with the SJSU degree website and the CSU main degree website - and SJSU confers up to Master level degrees, which would further explain its classification on the Carnegie scale.

http://info.sjsu.edu/web-dbgen/catalog/degrees/all-degrees.html http://degrees.calstate.edu/csu_degree_search2?noCache=507:1392404209 --Uwatch310 (talk) 19:00, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

SDSU offers many doctorate degrees jointly with UCSD. Carnegie ranks it as a research university because of its association with UCSD. I dont think you realize 1. What a flagship campus is. 2. That quoting a school news paper, or news station is not a valid reference. 3. You do not understand the history of the CSU system, and the original California State (SJSU could call itself simply California State if it so chose to). I would really encourage you to educate yourself on the issue instead of repeatedly reporting false information. Just because you, or a student paper insists on SDSU being the flagship does not make it true. SJSU trailed SDSU in research expenditures, but is quickly catching up, and is expected to pass it in the next few years. You obviously went to SDSU and have pride in your school, which is ok. Coming to the conclusion that it is the flagship, and you labeling it as such is not. It makes wikipedia look unreliable by continually posting false information. If you would like a history lesson on the California State University I would be happy to provide it to you. SCraigA (talk) 21:00, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

You can quit your bullshit posturing and ad hominem attacks right now. You disagree with another editor? Fine. Resolve the disagreement in Talk without personal attacks and without edit warring. ElKevbo (talk) 21:10, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

Elkelvbo, who are you talking to? Show me where I posted "bullshit" Everything I have posted I can back up. Otherwise I would not waste my time doing so. If you dont like it, well I dont really care. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SCraigA (talk • contribs) 23:26, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

@SCraigA: and @Uwatch310:, you were both just blocked for edit warring and you're back at it again??? ElKevbo (talk) 21:07, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

I'm not trying to engage in an edit war. I've reached my conclusion based of these comments - which is the CSU can identify multiple flagships based solely off the DEFINITION of flagship (via wikipedia). SJSU can count solely based on the fact it is the founding campus. Cal Poly can count based on the fact it has been recognized as such, and it is a leading campus. SDSU can count based on the fact it is the highest operating campus (in research, budget, expenditures, etc.) and also leads like Cal Poly. CSULB could also count in this regard. Flagship doesn't have to only apply to one campus - especially when there are 23 in the system. It would just be foolish to identify a sublet campus such as CSU Channel Islands as such. ALSO, what is beyond frustrating is the constant argument that SJSU is a research university. It's not MY opinion, it's fact that the Carnegie Institute classifies schools as such - and SDSU is classified as a research university based off of the doctoral degrees it confers and the excess research the university participates in. SDSU collaborates with UC San Diego, UC Davis, UC Riverside, UC Santa Barbara, Claremont, and USD for research and degrees - all while offering independent doctorates. So please stop insisting I do research before presenting facts. Just simply LOOK up the degrees offered at each respective campus and you can see for yourself. SJSU does minimal research just as many other CSU campuses do, and I don't believe for a minute their expenditures will surpass SDSU in the coming years - link? Proof?

Oh, and no I'm not "affiliated" with SDSU. I'm affiliated with CSU. Quite frankly I don't need to justify myself either. This is just getting to be redundant and ridiculous.

References

  1. ^ More Than 57,000 Undergraduate Students Apply to San Diego State for Fall 2007
  2. ^ http://www.sjsu.edu/discover/research/
  3. ^ http://transweb.sjsu.edu/
  4. ^ http://blogs.sjsu.edu/today/2012/sjsu-receives-73-3-million-award-to-participate-in-nasa-research/
  5. ^ http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/San-Jose-State-Professor-Collects-Rim-Fire-Plumes-221536621.html
  6. ^ http://www.calstate.edu/pa/clips2004/may/18may/state.shtml
  7. ^ http://www.amazon.com/California-State-Hidden-History-Beyond/dp/0615833233
  8. ^ http://thecardboard.org/board/index.php?topic=8284.35;wap2
  9. ^ http://tribes.tribe.net/c54d575f-2579-47a2-a1e3-402e0ac7d4da/thread/b5f34335-3a6c-4875-a45d-fac96d438ee1
  10. ^ http://www.mercurynews.com/education/ci_24583799/san-jose-state-race-crime-charges-raise-leadership
  11. ^ http://u101.com/colleges/california/san-jose/

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Orphaned references in San Diego State University

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of San Diego State University's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "USNWR":

  • From University of New Mexico: "U.S. News Best Colleges Rankings - University of New Mexico". U.S. News & World Report. 2015. Retrieved October 17, 2015. {{cite web}}: Italic or bold markup not allowed in: |publisher= (help)
  • From California State University, Los Angeles: "California State University, Los Angeles - All Rankings". U.S. News & World Report. Retrieved 2016-02-24. {{cite web}}: Italic or bold markup not allowed in: |work= (help)
  • From California State University, Fresno: "U.S. News Best Colleges Rankings: California State University--Fresno". U.S. News & World Report. Retrieved 2016-02-24. {{cite web}}: Italic or bold markup not allowed in: |publisher= (help)
  • From San Jose State University: "U.S. News Best College Rankings 2016". U.S. News & World Report. Retrieved November 25, 2015. {{cite web}}: Italic or bold markup not allowed in: |publisher= (help)
  • From California Polytechnic State University: "California Polytechnic State University--San Luis Obispo". U.S. News & World Report. Retrieved October 2, 2015. {{cite web}}: Italic or bold markup not allowed in: |publisher= (help)

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 10:54, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

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Recent edits alleging copyright violations

Can the unregistered editor (who keeps changing IP addresses) making allegations of copyright infringement in the section about Greek life please share more information about the material that is supposedly infringing copyright and the source(s) that is being copied? I don't understand the claims that are being made nor do I see any obvious relationship with the sources that have been mentioned in your edit summaries. Thanks! ElKevbo (talk) 16:29, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

Nevermind. I think I tracked it down. Both this and the UCLA article had some material that was copied from the respective universities' Greek life webpages; it even looks like one of those webpages copied material from the other webpage so we ended up with all four documents using similar or identical text. I've removed or significantly edited the material. ElKevbo (talk) 16:37, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

US Rankings

please update all University of California and California State University rankings. This years rankings are at the us ranking page. https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges

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