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A fact from Salbit appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 6 May 2009 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Salbit, thought to have been the site of the biblical Shaalabbin, was depopulated during the 1948 Arab–Israeli War?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2009/May.

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Section structure[edit]

Great job with the article, unfortunately not much is in Khalidi, quite surprising for a village with a long history frankly. I just have a concern with article structure. Shouldn't we merge the Biblical references section into the History section? Extrabiblical too, although I think we could merge both of those sections under one subsection. Would there be any objections to that. --Al Ameer son (talk) 01:22, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Al Ameer. I'm not sure merging the sections is a good idea. I'd like to wait until we have more info on the town from historical sources (stuff on when it was inhabitated, if it was depopulated and reinhabitated recently, etc.) for the History section, while keeping the biblical references separate. I think though that extrabiblical and biblical could be merged into one section.

I wanted to ask you something too though. In this edit, you said you removed "scorching" because of NPOV. I actually think the sentence is rather understated right now since its referring to the Lyddaa Death March in which 350 people died of a lack of thirst as they walked for days in the scorching sun. The source I cited uses "scorching" but doesn't mention the "death march" name or the number of casualties so I left it out. But perhaps we should include some mention of this? It was a terrible event in the Palestinian exodus that should noe be so understated. Tiamut^talk 19:53, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well I went ahead and created Lydda Death March since it was a pretty seminal event in the Palestinian exodus and there are a number of reliable sources who refer to it under that name. I will add a link to it in our article here and that way we won't have to expand the prose of the subject here. Tiamut^talk 20:55, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Wow. I feel like an idiot; I didn't put this article on my watchlist. If you want to wait until we could expand the town history more then that's fine, but I think eventually, we should merge the Biblical history into the main History section. But I will look at other town and city articles to make sure that this is the right thing to do. As for scorching, I removed it because it might be unnecessarily inflammatory, although I forgot this was a part of the death march from Ludd-Ramla. Anyway, thanks for starting that article as well. I see it has attracted controversy (but that's expected here). I will look into it soon to see if I can be of any help. Cheers! --Al Ameer son (talk) 04:50, 2 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Salbit during operation Dani - moved material[edit]

Salbit was attacked and taken on 10 July. So what is written is not possible :

During the 1948 Arab-Israeli war, after the residents of al-Ramla and Lydda were given expulsion orders by Yitzhak Rabin on the afternoon of July 12 1948, some were bussed to Latrun on the front lines and from there ordered to walk northward to Salbit.^[1] This Lydda Death March, as it came to be known, brought hundreds of refugee families to Salbit where they took shelter in a fig grove and were given water and rest for the night before trucks from the Arab Legion began moving some of the families to a Palestinian refugee camp in Ramallah.^[1]

The source given (Sandy Tolan from Al Jazeera) is not reliable in comparison with historians. According to Morris (2008), p.290, they were driven near Al-Qubab which was the last village before Latrun, 2 km west of Salbit. More, Al-Qubab is on the road to Ramallah, while Salbit is a little bit in the middle of nowhere.
I would add that the fact people are asked to walk toward a village is wp:undue in the article dedicated to that village. Ceedjee (talk) 20:36, 2 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ ^a ^b Sandy Tolan (20 July 2008). "Palestinian Nakba in al-Ramla". Palestine Media Center (Original from Al Jazeera English). Retrieved 2009-04-28.

coords from Ashley´s talk-page...[edit]

Ashley gives as coords:

|latd=31 |latm=52 |lats=10.60

|longd=34 |longm=59 |longs=15.15

...does anyone know where the other coords comes from? Regards, Huldra (talk) 21:24, 8 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Salbit = Shaalabbin /Shaalbim?[edit]

Cooke, 1918, p. 185 writes: "Shaalabbin or Shaalbim has been identified with Salbit, three miles NW of Yalo, but though the position is suitable, the name do not agree phonetically".

See also Robinson and Smith, 1841, p. 20: the notes at the bottom of the page.

I am taking that stuff out, and putting it here. Huldra (talk) 22:49, 18 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It has been identified with the biblical town of Shaalabbin (also, Shaalbim) which was located 5 kilometers (3.1 mi) northwest of biblical Aijalon (modern day Yalo).^[1]

Shaalabbin is mentioned in Joshua 19:42 as a city of the southern Dan whereas in the Septuagint (LXX) it is mentioned as one of the cities in which the Amorites continued to dwell after the conquest of Canaan by the Israelites.^[2]^[3] The name has no obvious Hebrew derivation and may be a survival of a form of pre-Canaanite speech.^[1] Shaalbim is also mentioned in 1 Kings 4:9 as an area under the administration of Ben-Deker, one of twelve officers who is said to have paid tribute to King Solomon, in Judges 1:35.^[3]

References

^ ^a ^b Cooke, 1918, p. 185
^ Smith, 1857, p. 972.
^ ^a ^b Barnes, 1932, p. 31.

Samaritan[edit]

In 1949, archaeologists excavated the remains of a Samaritan synagogue there that was dated to the late 4th or early 5th century.^[1] Measuring 15.4 x 8 metres, its mosaic floor contains one Greek inscriptions and two in Samaritan (language and script).^[1]

Is that Samaritan Aramaic or Samaritan Hebrew? -- Error (talk) 01:02, 18 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ ^a ^b Stemburger and Tuschling, 2000, p. 228

[PMC-1] Sandy Tolan (20 July 2008). "Palestinian Nakba in al-Ramla". Palestine Media Center (Original from Al Jazeera English). Retrieved 2009-04-28.

[Cookep185-2] Cooke, 1918, p. 185

[Smithp972-3] Smith, 1857, p. 972.

[Barnesp31-4] Barnes, 1932, p. 31.

[Stemburgerp228-5] Stemburger and Tuschling, 2000, p. 228

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