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In 1996

Stuart matthewman, Andrew hale and paul dennman decided to record their own album without Sade Adu (The First lady Of Cool, or The lady, as fans call her), and they formed band Sweetback, which has similar styles in their sound. but, the band Sade didn't split. They had break after their Love Deluxe tour and album with the same name.

The other members appeared as Sweetback and also have various solo projects of their own, but I don't think they were involved with Black (who, incidentally, also had another hit, "Sweetest Smile"). --Bonalaw 20:16, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

"Albums sold"

In the discography section the article has:

Albums sold in the U.S.: 23.5

Obviously there's a problem here--how could somebody sell half an album? I'm guessing it's supposed to be 23.5 million? Jrv 22:37, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Discography dates seem completely wrong

Not being a big Sade fan myself but I know that the early hits are in the mid 80s not 90s. I suggest someone who knows something edits the Discography section as it's incredibly misleading.

Smooth Operator a hit in 1994 - i don't think so do you?

OK - so looking at Google just now and I see a cached page of wiki would indicate that the info used to be correct so please, whoever edited it, put it right.

Santoswiki 17:51, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Release date vandal

Someone seems to be getting a kick out of changing the release dates. Maybe it would help if we keep a copy of the correct dates, or even just a link, here on the talk page, and then we can be sure we revert it correctly. Can someone verify which version of the article has all the dates correct? -GTBacchus(talk) 03:02, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Here's a list of IP addresses involved in the vandalism, please feel free to add to it if you see it happening:

A separate article should exist

The band from the beginning named themselves sade, after their female lead-vocalist Sade Adu.

In 1996 Stuart matthewman, Andrew hale and paul dennman decided to record their own album without Sade Adu (The First lady Of Cool, or The lady, as fans call her), and they formed band Sweetback, which has similar styles in their sound. but, the band Sade didn't split. They had break after their Love Deluxe tour and album with the same name.

The other members appeared as Sweetback and also have various solo projects of their own, but I don't think they were involved with Black (who, incidentally, also had another hit, "Sweetest Smile"). --Bonalaw 20:16, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

A separate article should exist for the group Sade and the discography probably ought to be moved there. Bonalaw 06:06, 20 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Done. ffirehorse 04:43, 30 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Now we have pretty much the same info in Sade Adu and Sade (band) - but really, is it so clearcut that the band is called Sade? On the official web page http://www.sade.com/ it says things like "listen to sade talk about the new album, her favourite tracks" etc. Most of the time when people say Sade they actually mean the singer, not the group. We don't have an article on Benny Goodman and His Orchestra. I think we can collect all info on Sade.Habj 16:07, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)
We should not have separate articles. When people say Sade, they are referring to the singer. Even Allmusic's article on Sade refers to the person, not the band. The contents of Sade (band) should be incorporated into this article, and then this article should be moved to Sade (singer), as she performs and publishes under the single name, in keeping with the Wikipedia:Naming conventions (common names). For precedence, see Madonna (entertainer), Jewel (singer), Jem (singer), Dido (singer), Bill Clinton, Eminem, etc. --DropDeadGorgias (talk) 19:17, August 17, 2005 (UTC)
I definitely endorse merging the two pages. See more discussion on this topic at: Sade (band). J. Van Meter 15:02, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
this article is about Ms. Sade Adu, the person. it should remain seperate for that reason alone. she deserves her own page entry. the band's page can write their own sub-section about her. ven 00:42, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Umm...Lovers Live DVD = compilation?!?!

I have it, and no it's a wonderful concert in ONE silky string, no edits, no leftouts of songs! I would not list it under video "compilations". That's just silly. -andy 80.129.84.124 00:51, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

NO ORDINARY LOVE RELEASE DATE

According to Sade's official website, No Ordinary Love was released in 1992 - not 1998. Check it out. It was on the album LOVE DELUXE (1992) Ed 1961 08:55, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Right. I second 1992. -andy 80.129.84.124 00:53, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Link to official Sade page.

Kind of weird. Sade.com 404s and there's no mention of it when it's googled. What comes up instead is www.sadeusa.com. It's a relevant site and seems to be hosted by Sony Music. The weird thing is that said site also links to sade.com which... does not appear to exist.

In light of this I would propose keeping www.sadeusa.com as the link to the official Sade site for the time being. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.132.130.112 (talk) 08:51, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Citations

WP:BLP is not an optional policy on the English Wikipedia. Do not remove {{Fact}} tags without providing a citation -- that it's mentioned in "external links" is only more reason to include the citation, not delete the tags. Xihr (talk) 02:15, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

if you pay attention to the times. You need to quit swooping in and doing vandalizing reverts while someone is trying to fix things. Just because you were proven wrong on another page. From what i have seen you just like trying to swoop around to pages spouting your gospel about BLP, without checking facts.Swampfire (talk) 02:33, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
The point, which you seem to be stubbornly ignoring, is that WP:BLP requires citations on all biographical claims, or those facts must be removed. Information about a celebrity's personal life is not subject to your whim; it must be cited or removed. Please read the policy on WP:BLP rather than trying to get into revert wars with people trying to keep Wikipedia from getting sued. Xihr (talk) 05:49, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
The fact is, if you read what people actually say. Instead of trolling pages and doing instant reverts. Without checking the facts, or actually trying to help improve pages. If you notice a word wrong you don't delete everything. You actually try to help by fixing the problem. But as I have said, I can see for your contribs, the only reason you are hereSwampfire (talk) 21:36, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
[From Talk:Adele Stephens#IMDb vs. IAFD] Your WP:AGF and WP:NPA violations speak for themselves. The edits you are complaining about were violations of WP:BLP, which is not an optional policy. WP:BLP requires that any "[u]nsourced or poorly sourced contentious material about living persons — whether the material is negative, positive, or just questionable — should be removed immediately and without waiting for discussion, from Wikipedia articles, talk pages, user pages, and project space." Indeed, adding/restoring {{Fact}} tags was the least harsh action I could take -- WP:BLP requires the content be deleted without discussion. Not being familiar with Wikipedia policy is not an excuse for kind of further violation of Wikipedia's guidelines and policies; please put more effort into reviewing existing policies like WP:BLP and WP:NPA and guidelines like WP:AGF rather than engage in this kind of misbehavior. Xihr (talk) 21:56, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
Again get your facts straight. I did NOT call you any name, so I did NOT make a personal attack. I did NOT call you a "troll" and I did NOT call you a "vandal". Did i say you were trolling pages and vandalizing them, YES, because you do. And again you bring up WP:AGF Because you were trying to say that I should follow it. And when pointing out that you were actually the one not following it. You try to backtrack and say it isn't actually a policy, it is a guideline. Why don't you try actually becoming a contributor to Wiki. INstead of acting like you know the guidleines when it is obvious you do not. in fact you violate AGF with almost every revert you do.Swampfire (talk) 03:56, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
Both of you... CHILL! Okay? You're both in the right here, okay? You're each pointing to different policies which cover your actions not just in this article but elsewhere on Wikipedia. But... Xihr is correct in that unsourced material should be removed; as well, WP:BLP clearly states: "The burden of evidence for any edit on Wikipedia, but especially for edits about living persons, rests firmly on the shoulders of the person who adds or restores the material." (emphasis mine, and I had that particular turn of the clause pointed out to me by Jimbo himself in a dispute similar to this looong ago.) If you look at existing high quality biographies on Wikipedia, i.e. feature articles like Yasser Arafat, Wayne Gretzky and Celine Dion, you can see they all have extensive references which document pretty much everything but the most inoffensive information present in the article. In fact each example I named have at least 100 citations present. Swampfire says the information is findable elsewhere... then adding cites to back should be easy enough for both of you to do, no? Tabercil (talk) 05:22, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
Boy did you ever miss the point. But I agree and if this person would just stop. I would stop responding.Swampfire (talk) 05:26, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
Tabercil, there is confusion here. He is mixing up my citing WP:AGF and WP:BLP in different circumstances; I suggested he AGF when he was reverting my edits (early on in our encounters) when their comments were not as clear as they should have been, but pointed out that his claiming AGF in undoing my WP:BLP deletions (required by policy) missed the point, since WP:BLP is policy and WP:AGF is a guideline. He seems confused about what WP:BLP says, even though I've quoted it to him several times, and how he seems on a crusade of sorts to undo all my edits. Any suggestions to how to explain it to him (as your response also seems to have gone over his head)? Xihr (talk) 07:13, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
Swampfire, BLP is non-negotiable and as painful as it may seem to you, Xihr is in the right here. I wish to point out that BLP provides a link to this segment of text, which reads in part: "Administrators are authorized to use any and all means at their disposal to ensure that every Wikipedia article is in full compliance with the letter and spirit of the biographies of living persons policy." (emphasis mine) That show just how important BLP is as a policy. Now as I said, it would perhaps be easier on everyone if instead of merely removing the challenged facts Xihr were to dig up the cites himself (as I usually do when I find something not right), but he is under no obligation to provide them. Tabercil (talk) 12:20, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
Its not painful, because I again point out to you. What he has done on multiple page hadn't anthing to do with BLP. He just says it does. That is his [go to] policy when he reverts. A policy by the way, That I believe he has not truly read and understands. If he thinks alot of the reverts he made fits the policy. Also I am not mixing up AGF for BLP. The problem is most stuff he does does not fall under BLP. Tabercil (i am not just refering to this page)Swampfire (talk) 17:42, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
I'm adding citation tags and/or removing uncited biographical claims from articles about living persons. That is precisely what WP:BLP requires. I emplore you to read it rather than keeping up this reversion vendetta, or whatever it is you're up to, against me. Xihr (talk) 19:18, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

This is getting out of hand

This is getting out of hand. I am going to start referring these matters to the the Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard so that they may be reviewed by uninvolved third parties. It is crystal clear that uncited biographical claims should be stricken per WP:BLP, which is a non-negotiable policy for editing on this site, but this bickering back and forth needs to stop. RFerreira (talk) 19:52, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

I agree, I'd been getting really frustrated not being able to communicate WP:BLP policy to him with direct quotes, multiple times. At this point he is now properly adding citations for the contentious biographical claims, so I consider this matter resolved. My only concern was that he seemed to be engaged in a pattern of reverting all my edits, which would be a matter I'd have no choice but to escalate since it's disruptive, but he appears to have ceased and desisted as I requested. Back to work! Xihr (talk) 19:57, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
Check his page I have proven my case, and HE admitted not using BLP in the proper context, and I did not go any where near reverting ALL of his reverts.Swampfire (talk) 21:00, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
In one case. There were ten or so cases where you were restoring WP:BLP-sanitized issues. You are picking the one case I made a mistake (it was late and you were starting to revert nearly all of my edits while following my user contributions), and ignoring the many, many other cases where you clearly were violating WP:BLP (as well as WP:NPA, which you seem to be trying to conceal on your user talk page now). I can give examples if you still don't understand the policy. Talk about frustrating; you are all over the place in this. Xihr (talk) 22:06, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
I have shown atleast "3" you did it on. Ok so now show the 10 other cases. Where I just bltantly did it. And I wasnt there trying to fix pages. But you would try to delete something before I even had a chance to get the whole page straight. Also if you want to say I violated NPA by pointing out a character trait of yours, then so be it. But even you yourself admitted it. Not to mention when you tried to say I was violating NPA by saying you were "trolling" pages for reverts, and yet can go right to your talk pages, and find were you told someone to stop "trolling" looking for reverts. The same exact thing you do.Swampfire (talk) 22:23, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
I don't see why you're beating a dead horse. One last time, and then I'm through with this:
  1. WP:BLP requires that the claims be removed without discussion. Restoring the claims requires citations. Period. Please read it. You still don't seem to understand this.
  2. None of the accusations of trolling on my user talk page, whether by me or not, have anything to do with reversions. You're either confused or making things up.
  3. Look, three people now have told you that you were misunderstanding WP:BLP. You have since started to properly cite claims, which is good. Very good. Please keep doing this. As for the more general nitpicking that you're trying to do here, it would be best for all involved if you just gave it up. Look, you were unfamiliar with policy and were violating it. You now are familiar with it and are following it. Move on.
  4. Please do not violate WP:NPA in the future; it is not constructive, and will get you into trouble.
That's it. Good day. Xihr (talk) 22:40, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
Now you have completely back tracked. You even admitted on your own page, that you were guilty of not using BLP when you made reverts, and that things were restored with citatons added, and you still would revert, which mneans you were going against BLP, and that you just did auto reverts without checking info. Sure you used it on some. But at times you did not check info. Which has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with BLP. And yes not only did you refer to someone as "trolling" but you actually made a personal attack by calling them a name too. You also had someone warn you about NPA. And I had let it all go, after you admitted that you did not always check things. But for some reason you are the one that can't let it go, even after. So please do not respond to this.Swampfire (talk) 22:46, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

"Nigerian-born British"

This is now beyond absurd. You are now denying reality and asking for an endless stream of citations that you then are dismissing one by one.

Sade Adu is British. She was raised there, she became a star there, she was given the OBE, and every reference and its mother refers to her as "British" -- there are literally thousands of them easily accessible by typing "sade british" into Google. Your denying this is about as reasonable as requiring a citation on the statement that "Water is wet," for anyone even passingly familiar with the entertainer and her band. It is blatantly obvious.

Nevertheless, you've been given a reference that establishes this claim, from no less than the New York Times. Now you are even dismissing that, insisting that someone demonstrate that she is a British citizen, when the article never has claimed that she was. Please consider how ridiculous your position is -- you are insisting that "Nigerian/British" or "Nigerian-born British" be replaced with "Nigerian" because the use of the word British requires a citation. Even if that weren't laughably silly, you don't require that her being Nigerian require a citation -- if one is a violation of WP:BLP, then so is the other. If you're trying to claim that she's really a Nigerian citizen or that she should be called "Nigerian-born Spanish" because she now lives in Spain (at least I heard), that is similarly absurd -- and you're violating your own "rules" by not providing a citation of such claims, which are clearly far more controversial than refering to her as British since she's been referred to that way countless times since she arrived on the music scene. WP:BLP was not being violated here anymore than calling her a "singer/songwriter" is a potential WP:BLP violation; but at any rate you got the citation you demanded and are still edit warring.

I'm sorry, but I don't see your behavior as anything other than disruptive, since you're violating your own rules and demanding citations for things the article doesn't even claim. I would like to try to assume good faith over your edit warring, but it's hard to see how you're not abusing Wikipedia to make a point here. Please cease and desist this behavior or I will be forced to bring your actions to the Administrator's noticeboard; I am quite sure that your ridiculous behavior here will not be seen to be appropriate there. Please stop.  Xihr  03:14, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

It is clear that If you can find a valid source of her being a british citizen then it can stay. But as with many other articles just because someone has british ancestry, and moved to England for a portion of their life, does NOT make them british, unless they obtained citizenship. So once you finds a valid source of her actually being a citizen, and not just a article of someone calling her british, it can stay once the valid source of citizenship is found. Also it is clear that not me but YOu is in violation of WP:BLP not me, it is also YOU that is the one that is try to make a WP:POINT. As stated I have no objection to it being there once YOU PROVE she is a citizen. Otherwise all biographies on this site should be changed to reflect other people being citizens of countries just bcause they lived in them. Keira Knightley would become British/American, Joss Stone would become British/American, Elton John British/American and so on. The burden of proof is on YOU once it is found I have no problem with it staying. But since YOU is set on trying to make a WP:POINT YOU need to find a valid site of her british citizenship. I will remove it everytime until you do. My ancestry is German and I lived there for a period of time. I am American, not American/German, because I never obtained citizenship. Sade has not lived in britain since the late 80's. She is a Nigerian with british ancestry that lived a portion of her life in England. So as I stated find a valid source of citizenship and it stays. ""So it is up to you whether it stays or not"" Find the source , it stays, don't and it goes.Swampfire (talk) 18:27, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
I placed the page at a truly neutral point of view as with done in other articles on the site. Her birthplace and residence in england is stated throughout other places on the page, and this is the simplest form for resolving the issue.Swampfire (talk) 18:34, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
You apparently did not read what I wrote at all. The article did not, and never has claimed that Sade Adu is a British citizen. It said that she was British. Those aren't the same thing, as even Wikipedia knows (British citizen vs. British people). Furthermore, you asked for a citation for this ridiculously obvious claim (next up: The Pope is Catholic.{{Fact}}), and when provided -- from the New York Times no less -- you removed it as insufficient. You are simply being difficult, and are reusing terms like WP:POINT clearly without knowing what they mean apparently in order to play some game of "I know you are but what am I?" Since admins aren't helping stop this clear abuse, and you're ignoring their clear warnings on your talk page, this is pointless. Goodbye.  Xihr  19:56, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Ahem. From Wikipedia:Verifiability: "The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth" (emphasis original). There seems to be ample verifiable reliable sources that Sade is British. So where's the problem? Tabercil (talk) 21:06, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

And I find it mildly amusing the edit summary when your latest removal of "British" was reverted: "pointless removal of well-sourced data". Note that the person who did was neither myself nor Xihr... Tabercil (talk) 13:18, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
Wikipedia wins again. How pointless this is.  Xihr  21:23, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

sick Chinchillas

Heh, this has got to be a joke, right? How long has that one been sitting there? :-) --Brian Fenton (talk) 14:08, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Confusing article

I am very confused by this article. Who is the "Anne" that returned to Clacton-on-Sea? When did Nashville become Sade's home city? Etc. The facts may or may not be right, but there is no logic and cohesion behind them. 88.77.138.97 (talk) 04:49, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Exactly - who is anne? obama's mum? this article is rubbish and needs to be re-written with proper references. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.53.199.71 (talk) 02:41, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Meaning of name

The article says Folasade means "love confers your crown," but the cited reference says it means "Honor confers a crown." Something is wrong somewhere. Does anyone here know enough Yoruba to decide which is correct? Languagehat (talk) 19:09, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

What is Sade doing? Where has she been and is anything new been produced? Is she touring? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.17.26.4 (talk) 21:29, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

The photograph needs to be removed

According to the description the photo is an album cover (correct) and, according to the license described in the photo's description, such pictures may only be used to illustrate the article on the corresponding recording. Erring on the safe side, I will thus remove the picture once I figure out how to do this cleanly. 129.187.180.11 (talk) 14:28, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

The deed is done, templates are nice :) 129.187.180.11 (talk) 14:30, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

Title of Article

She uses no surname professionally in the same way as Cher, whose Wiki article is called, simply, Cher. This entry should be no different. It should be titled SADE.Kitchawan (talk) 22:19, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

No. Sade is the name of the band. Sade Adu (Helen Folasade Adu) is her personal name.  Xihr  00:33, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
But she is generally referred to as Sade. When she performs without the band, she is still credited as Sade. Cjc13 (talk) 18:40, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
On the sleeve of their album Diamond Life, it says: "SADE ARE: SADE ADU • VOCALS" ... This confirms that Sade is the band name while Sade Adu is their vocalist. BNutzer (talk) 21:00, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
Well it would be confusing if it said "SADE ARE: SADE • VOCALS" and it is true that the writing credits are usually "Sade Adu", and all her albums are with the band. It is a clearly useful to use Sade Adu to differentiate her from the band, BUT for instance should she be listed under S or under A. Sade is only part of her middle name so is not her proper name but a name she chooses to use. Cjc13 (talk) 22:00, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Please add this info

There is a ton of new information that can be added to the "personal life" section of her gleaned from this article...

http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/music/article7005060.ece

Can someone add it? Like about her daughter and her relationship, etc. Thanks Tizzasho2 (talk) 16:50, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Professional name

No mention of when she adopted her stage name? Or what it means/originates from?Rhodesisland (talk) 10:23, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

It's not mentioned in the article, but it's a family nickname she's had her whole life.  Xihr  20:39, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

Vocal Range

Can we have some confirmation of Helen Folasade Adu(Sade)'s Vocal Range please?

Is she a contralto? http://divadevotee.blogspot.com/2010/11/sade-vocal-profile-range.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCm9tbAJEtk shows examples of (D3-G#5)

I thought she would have been added to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_contraltos_in_non-classical_music but in discussion there is no reference why. MrCyberdude (talk) 05:45, 22 January 2011 (UTC) 20110122

Which is it?

This article states: "Prior to the release of Soldier of Love in 2010, the Daily Mail described her as 'famously reclusive'" So, has she become less "reclusive" of late, or at least not so "famously" so (maybe people care less about her reclusiveness now?), or did the daily mail just publish this decription in 2010...perhaps "prior to" should be "while reporting" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.129.224.141 (talk) 08:43, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Pronunciation

Then her publicist shouold be rapped. The name "Sade" is a Yoruba name, and it is correctly pronounced "shah-DAY". She pronounces it correctly (British accent notwithstanding) so I don't see why anyone else cannot. :) Jalabi99 17:07, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

Please don't spell the vowel in "spa" or "Sade" with an r, anybody. It confuses those of us who pronounce all our r's. Tens of millions of Americans, Canadians, New Zealanders, etc., said "Sharr-day" because she (or her publicist) made that mistake. —JerryFriedman 20:30, 19 Jan 2005 (UTC)

You probably know this, but the spine of the initial US CD release of Diamond Life unusually included a pronunciation key, thus:

SADE (SHAR-DAY) - DIAMOND LIFE

...which to most Brits would be the same as shah-day, but led to most Americans pronouncing the nonexistent R. ProhibitOnions 11:36:06, 2005-08-23 (UTC)

I don't think we can make the assumption that it the pronunciation key was meant simply for the Brits to mispronounce. They put "SHAR-DAY" because that's what they meant, and that IS the correct pronunciation.

Um, to a Brit, it's not considered mispronunciation. To a Brit, "Shar-day" sounds almost exactly like "shah-day", with a faint hint of an 'r' there. Sade's name is pronounced "Shah-day" with a very faint hint of an 'r' there, the way she pronounces it. -GTBacchus(talk) 03:13, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

The way it was released in AMERICA, it had a pronunciation key that said "SHAR-DAY", and in AMERICA that sounds just like SHAR-DAY. How excatly would a Brit pronounce something if it said "SHAH-DAY"? If that were the correct pronunciation, it would have served both the Brits and the Americans. I also think that "SHAR-DAY" is correct. If anyone has video of Sade saying her own name, please supply that proof. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.81.43.150 (talk • contribs) 23:20, June 21, 2006 (UTC)

A British person would pronounce "Shar-day" and "Shah-day" almost exactly the same. There's a subtle 'r' that would be missing in the latter, and you'd probably get a small space between "shah" and "day". British people just don't make that "-ar" sound, haven't you noticed? Many languages don't make 'r's the way Americans do. I used to live with a Yoruba, and they don't. A video of Sade saying her own name would be the best. I'll look. -GTBacchus(talk) 20:17, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
  1. here's a link to someone ranting about the pronounciation, and the bad habit of Brits putting silent 'r's into spellings that mess up other English speakers. -GTBacchus(talk) 20:22, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
  2. here it's again made clear that the correct pronounciation is something like "shah-day" or "shaw-day", and that she sings her own name in the song "Maureen". I don't have a copy to listen to just now... -GTBacchus(talk) 20:29, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
That is incorrect. "Shaw-day" would be pronounced in normal English the same as "Shore-day" - which is completely different. My compromise is to put "Shar-day (silent R)". 90.208.215.240 (talk) 16:36, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
What you are calling "normal" English isn't spoken by most Anglophones. I agree that "shaw-day" isn't the best representation, but this business of attempting to force what the Economist calls "British High Tea" down our throats is galling. —70.183.105.254 (talk) 03:53, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
  1. here she's quoted in an interview saying "The proper pronunciation doesn't have an r in it: Sha-day. But Americans tend to put an r in it: Shar-day." I think that's enough proof, and I'm changing the article back. -GTBacchus(talk) 20:33, 14 July 2006 (UTC)


I think the s-letter in word `Sade' is s like in word `south', not s like in word `shout', because Wikipedia says that s like in word `shout' is written in Yoruba language s with the dot below, but ordinary s in Yoruba language is more like s in word `south'. So the pronunciation instruction should be [sɑ:'deɪ], not [ʃɑ:'deɪ].
You can't write pronunciation instructions as 'shah-day' or 'shar-day'! It only can be 'Sha:-day' or 'Sa:-day'. That 'Shar-day' is only for US citizens'
You can hear Sade saying her own name in the song 'Maureen'. 88.114.59.75
You have it the wrong way round. "Shah-day" would be for Americans; "Shar-day" would be for the British, because of their differing rhoticity. Her first album included "pronounced 'Shar-day'" because it was initially intended for British audiences and wasn't adjusted when released into the American market. An American attempting to pronounce her name with the guide "Shar-day" would pronounce it wrong; the reason some Americans pronounce it this way is because the pronunciation guide that they went buy was intended for British listeners, not American ones. As you say, she herself pronounces her name in "Maureen" ("Sade don't you come home too late"). She clearly pronounces it with a [ʃ] and not an [s], and there is no [r] sound of any kind present, rolled or otherwise. "Shah-day" would be the closest non-IPA pronunciation that would not lead either Americans or Britons astray. Xihr 21:13, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Proposed compromise:

  1. The pronunciation [ʃɑ:'deɪ] is accepted for “Sade”.
  2. Sade's publicist is fired, and Sade apologizes to America.
  3. England is forcibly annexed to France, in punishment for asinine pronunciation of ‘r’. (Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland remain in Great Britain until and unless they secede.)

—12.72.74.154 (talk) 02:55, 12 March 2008 (UTC)


Silent WOOHOO

Someone wants to insert "silent R" in the pronuncation. Why should we not insert other silent letters?

pwonounced shax-day (silent X)
pwonounced shalllll-day (silent L)
pwonounced shathroatwobblermangrove-day (silent THROATWOBBLERMANGROVE)

Let's leave this absurd silent R an untyped R. —70.183.105.254 (talk) 23:56, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

You're missing the point. The silent R is not pronounced, but it affects the previous vowel sound. Therefore it is required. "Shar" with a silent R is pronounced with the same vowel as "spa". Does that make sense now? If you just put "sha" that could be pronounced any number of ways, so the silent R is required so that people know exactly how to pronounce it. 90.205.80.229 (talk) 13:02, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
No, it doesn't make sense because your presumption about normal English is mistaken. The sound of the ‘a’ in “shar” goes one way for the relatively small number of speaker of RP and of British High Tea, but is quite different for pretty much everyone else. For example, in Vermont the ‘a’ (in “shar”) will be pronounced more like that in “bat”; which is not to say that some weird Vermont-based representation should be used, but simply that a weird RP-based system isn't generally helpful, even if you mark the ‘r’ as mystically silent. —12.72.70.188 (talk) 19:52, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

User:90.205.80.xxx

I draw the attention of editors to these two edits:

Plainly User:90.205.80.xxx is thoroughly convinced that only (some conception of) British English is normal and proper and that American English in particular is not normal or proper, and his edits here are part of a programme to that effect. —12.72.73.32 (talk) 21:22, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Then there were these further edits:

It's plain that his alleged compromise is no such thing. —70.183.105.254 (talk) 00:28, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

This is why IPA should be used

The above bickering is an excellent illustration of why IPA should be used through-out, not some local, approximate variation of English (be it British, American, southern Canberran). Should the IPA (which is sometimes, I admit, overly cryptic for lay-people) need clarification, just add an OGG-file with a spoken version. 88.77.138.97 (talk) 04:48, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Hear hear, all IPA glyphs should have associated oggs. 74.104.161.218 (talk) 01:59, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

Pronunciation

"Sade (pronounced /ʃɑːˈdeɪ/ shah-DAY) is a British smooth jazz band that formed in 1983, named for Nigerian lead singer Sade Adu." If this pronunciation is correct for Sade Adu it should be included in the lead.--Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 18:34, 16 November 2011 (UTC)


Robert Elms

On From Frestonia to Belgravia: the history of squatting Robert Elms claimed to have been living with Sade in a squat in Notting Hill immediately prior to the release of her first hits. Not sure if this is worth mentioning. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arachrah (talk • contribs) 20:30, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

Removed redundant reference to OBE award

It's mentioned twice, and belongs less in section re her personal life. Nicmart (talk) 20:41, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

Why the "Adu"?

I admit that I have not been following the life of the woman in recent years, but never in my life have I heard her referred to as anything other than "Sade." Is it not WP policy to title biographical articles according to the subject's professional name? In this case, the article itself seems to indicate that she goes by "Sade," not "Sade Adu." The name Adu does not appear anywhere on her official site or on any of her album covers as far as I can tell. The Cher page is not titled "Cher Sarkisian," so I have to ask, what is the justification for "Adu" here? Krychek (talk) 17:30, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Krychek your contributions show that you are actively editing and, after all this time, I'm happy to respond and agree. On the basis of an image search on sade I think that a straight RM to "Sade" (with Sade moving to Sade (disambiguation)) might be in order. Otherwise, Sade (singer)? Sade (musician)? Thoughts? GregKaye 17:07, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
GregKaye, I like the move to "Sade" idea, but I wouldn't complain about Sade (singer), either. Thanks for the notice! Krychek (talk) 20:03, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

Requested move 26 May 2015

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The result of the proposal was moved to Sade (singer) and not moved, respectively. There's definitely some interest in the primary topic claim, which may be worth revisiting in the future, but almost everyone agrees that this singer is best known mononymously. --BDD (talk) 15:34, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

– Really, as far as notability is concerned, the surname is much (sorry) Adu about nothing. As has been independently noted in the thread, Talk:Sade Adu#Why the "Adu"? she is not widely known by her surname and I think that this is pretty much confirmed by an image search on Sade. The only other notable reference to "sade" is her band which is here called Sade (band). GregKaye 20:55, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

Support - WP:COMMONNAME and WP:PRIMARYTOPIC agree. Krychek (talk) 21:39, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
Comment - I am also fine with Sade (singer), with no real favorite between the two. Krychek (talk) 21:30, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
  • Strong oppose the primary topic is the Marquis, and sadism that comes from him -- 65.94.43.89 (talk) 22:49, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
65.94.43.89 I had always considered the primary topic of the Marquis de Sade as "Marquis de Sade" or as "de Sade" which is the designation that is made to him throughout the article at http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/515876/Marquis-de-Sade . However several books refer to him simply as Sade but I still personally view this as a contraction of his name. I was also going to agree with you on notability but the article on "Sade" the singer receives about 1,100 visits per day while "Marquis de Sade" receives slightly less at about "1,000". To be fair on de Sade I think that his outputs were more in tune with Sadomasochism than topics such as the, in my view, so called Sadistic personality disorder which I think might have otherwise been more fairly described as something like "Malice". GregKaye 05:53, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
  • Move to Sade (singer). I agree that there's no primary topic, given the fame of the marquis of that name, but absolutely nobody calls her Sade Adu! -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:58, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
  • Oppose - Keep the name as it refer to the individual as such, and this is much clearer. Main aim is to avoid confusion with reference to the band and de Sade. Look at the Sia Furler Talk page to see an example of how these discussions can possibly escalate. I don't think we need that here. Karst (talk) 14:37, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
    • And why would we make an exception to our naming conventions for this one individual? The titles of Wikipedia articles reflect how the individual is actually known; they do not use invented names for disambiguation purposes. Sia is apparently sometimes referred to as Sia Furler; Sade is never referred to as Sade Adu and nobody would know who that was. Probably not even her! -- Necrothesp (talk) 16:17, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
  • Support any of the suggested moves away from the current title per nom. Prefer Sade (singer). —  AjaxSmack  00:36, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
  • Support per nom only, otherwise keep it here. Ten points to Greg for the pun. Red Slash 22:32, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
  • Support as proposed. Sade on its own almost never refers to the Marquis de Sade, and I note that a hatnote to that article currently reads This is a Romance language name. The family name is "de Sade", not "Sade", which explains why this is the case. As a second best keep the DAB at Sade and move the singer to Sade (singer), but it's a very poor second IMO. Andrewa (talk) 20:57, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
  • Oppose moving to "Sade", as there are multiple subjects competing for that name, and because commercial interests, including stage names, should not be supported over historic/academic subjects such as de Sade. Yes, it is "de Sade", not "Sade", but with Sade (film) the line is clearly blurred. And there are other listings at Sade further supporting the claim of no primary topic.

    Support Sade (singer), which is fine if there is no acceptable natural disambiguation. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 06:43, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

  • Support any of the suggested moves away from the current title per nom. Prefer Sade (singer). Just been looking at a link from another music page and saw Sade. Never occurred to me it would link to de Sade. Think phonetics: Sade reads "Shah-Day"; de Sade reads "de Sahd". — Alterations (talk) 10:20, 6 June 2015 (UTC)
  • Strong support, Sade is both WP:COMMONNAME and WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, the current name is odd. Cavarrone 10:03, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
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recluse quote

On her disavowal of overt fame as well as the label 'recluse', she said in 2012: "Artistically, I have high aspirations. I don’t want to do anything less than the best I can do." The quote seems to have nothing to do with fame or reclusiveness. jnestorius(talk) 15:42, 23 July 2015 (UTC)

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Modern Popularity

İn my opinion, the track "Smooth Operator" is the most popular one because VH1 prefers it instead of "Your Love is King" track. Deliogul 18:01, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

You guys are slipping

I'm shocked,SHOCKED i say, at the lack of depth when it comes to album info.you guys need to step your game up Blackdragon6 02:41, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

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Bob Morgan's relationship to child

The "Personal Life" section says "Sade has been in a relationship with a former Royal Marine since 2007, and from this relationship she has a stepson. Morgan has nothing to do with their child." I assume this means producer Bob Morgan has not played a part in raising the child he had with Sade, but not only is that not supported by any of the sources cited, but the wording makes it look like Morgan has nothing to do with the stepson mentioned immediately before. I'm deleting the second sentence. 14.2.143.59 (talk) 03:40, 19 June 2019 (UTC)

Requested move 12 July 2020

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– Sade is WP:COMMONNAME, no need for (singer). The disambiguation at Sade can be moved to Sade (disambiguation). Stormy Chamber (talk) 10:56, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

  • Oppose Marquis de Sade is a common name too. Mikus (talk) 20:13, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose. While the singer is prominent in google search results, her band is equally prominent and there is very clearly no primary topic between the two. The Marquis comes in a clear third but not quite distant enough to say that the combination of band and singer is overwhelmingly primary. Thryduulf (talk) 09:09, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose per both above In ictu oculi (talk) 10:13, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose. The Marquis is just as primary. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:11, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
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Helping to Shape a Diamond Life

I would first like to say that this page is very well articulated. I can tell that those who wrote this like Sade. There are just some things I wanted to mention to improve the article and the goal of Wikipedia.


A Few Things:

I'm not sure the reason but more photos would be a nice touch. This article mentions her bandmates, daughter, and love interest. Having photos of those mentioned helps readers visualize. The band was very successful throughout their hiatuses and seeing them smiling together helps emphasize that.

It is not often mentioned but Sade signed a profitable record deal with Epic Records. The monetary amount was not as large as other names in the industry. However, being able to have a percentage of her sales allowed for her take time to create magnificent albums with her band. Her wit and intelligence is worth mentioning in her article. This is an article by Fader that speaks about this near the end of the article.

I understand there is gossip surrounding her taking the hiatuses that she has. However, these are not factual and there is no evidence to prove such gossip. For that reason, they should be removed due to the fact that they distract from Sade and her band. The overall tone of the article is to tell us about Sade's advancements in the world of music. The rumors sprinkle a layer of tabloid over the article and reads unnecessary.

It is also worth mentioning that Sade has songs about African culture such as 'Slave Song' on the album Lover's Rock. They were vocal about cultural issues in their own way.

Another small thing I saw was a possible misspelling of recognized as "recognised".


Overall, I enjoyed the article and appreciate the attention to detail. Thank you for taking the time to read my thoughts and taking them into consideration.

Jalapinata (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 04:38, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Sharde

I like when people say it sharday 2600:8804:1E87:C000:1DE:CDE:9DFE:F4E0 (talk) 04:30, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

Helen Folasade adu

Helen Folasade adu 41.13.196.141 (talk) 11:36, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

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