Talk:Rhymney Railway

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This article should of course concern itself with the RR as it was; the note about it now being the Rhymney Line simply being an afternote. Peter Shearan 12:15, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

I have asked for a re-assessment of this article Peter Shearan 05:42, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Assessment, August 2006

Unfortunately, I think the Start class assessment is still appropriate for this article mainly because the article is almost completely made up of a few lists. Some other elements that could be added or improved include:

• There are two references that I can see listed in the article; these need to be more explicitly noted in a References section at the bottom of the article to follow the Wikipedia manual of style. The guidelines at Wikipedia:Citation templates show how to use many of the templates that have been developed for this purpose.
• There are no images, which includes maps.
• A few of the sections are one or two sentences long; these should either be combined with other sections as appropriate or expanded if enough information is available.

In general, it's best to follow the guidelines for Good and Featured articles. For examples of other articles that have been assessed at higher ratings, take a look at Category:B-Class rail transport articles. Slambo (Speak) 13:27, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Cardiff Parade Station

A station is shown on the 1901 six-inch OS map just north of Cardiff Queen Street that is labelled "Rhymney Sta". As it as at the end of a road named The Parade this must be Cardiff Parade station. It appears that the Rhymney Railway track did not go through Queen Street Station ("Taff Vale Station" on the map), but went to the east of Cardiff Prison to Tyndall Street Junction where it split to both sides of Bute East Docks. The western branch went over the Bute Viaduct (shown here). I conclude that Cardiff Parade station was the passenger terminus in Cardiff and it was at that time called Rhymney Station. Do any sources support or contradict this? Verbcatcher (talk) 23:54, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

Agree, it's also shown on this RCH Junction Diagram as "Rhymney Sta" (in pink). Butt (1995) shows that the Rhymney station was renamed Cardiff Parade on 1 July 1924, and closed on 15 April 1928. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 09:16, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

Thanks. As the station was called Rhymney for much longer (1864–1924) than Cardiff Parade (1924–1928) we should change the name in the article and the diagram, unless there is a convention against this. Should the name be Cardiff Rhymney or Rhymney, Cardiff or Rhymney (Cardiff)? If the map you linked to is reliable then we should add Adam Street. The map does not show Heath High Level – its article says "opened by the Rhymney Railway in 1915", without a source. If we can find a source then we should add this here. The map shows a line from Taffs Well in the colour used for the Rhymney Railway. Presumably this is the end of the Caerphilly branch line, but Taffs Well is not shown on the diagram.

The references to 'B&MJR' in the diagram look wrong. The Brecon and Merthyr Tydfil Junction Railway is unlikely to have had a service to Alexandra Docks in Newport, or to some of the other places shown. The nineteenth century South Wales railway network was extremely complex, and I am not sufficiently knowledgeable to sort out the diagrams. Verbcatcher (talk) 17:19, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

None of those; we don't make up station names. Where the junction diagram says "Rhymney Sta", it doesn't mean that the station was named "Rhymney", but that it was the station owned by the Rhymney Railway (RR). As far as is known, the RR referred to the station simply as "Cardiff", so other considerations aside, we might have named the article Cardiff railway station, however that name is already taken by a disambiguation page. But WP:NCUKSTATIONS shows that we should, where possible, use the last official name for closed stations, which gives Cardiff Parade railway station. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 19:15, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the link to the naming convention page. I was not trying to make up a station name but that of a potential article to be redlinked. The railway company may have called it Cardiff Station but the residents of Cardiff are more likely to have called it Rhymney Station, and this name is supported by the OS map, the RCH Junction Diagram and possibly by Butt. However, in view of the 'last official name' convention the article name would be Cardiff Parade railway station. I propose to change the line in The route section to

• Cardiff Parade, (called Rhymney Station until 1924, closed 1928)

I would add a citation of Butt, but I don't have access to it. Perhaps you could do this. Verbcatcher (talk) 20:08, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

RedRose is right. Rhymney station was and is in Rhymney, not Cardiff. Of course if you are making a map of Cardiff you might label the RR station "Rhymney station", just as a modern town map might label "Bus station" or "Train station". And local people might say "I am going to the train station" but that doesn't mean the official name of (say) Birmingham New Street station is "Train station". I should add that Butt is rather unreliable, and should be used with caution. Afterbrunel (talk) 05:10, 13 July 2017 (UTC)