Talk:Reggiane Re.2005 Sagittario

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is there any evidence for the Re.2005 used in "berlin defence"? names of Geschwader or pilots?

• No, the unit was Luftdienst Kommando Italien, but it's Re.2005 aircraft never left ItalyDirk P Broer 12:30, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

is there any historical test report showing its performance?

• Yes, if this is what you mean There is plenty published about this plane, but knowledge of Italian is handy.Dirk P Broer 12:30, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

regards lumino

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Strangely enough, this articles is perhaps the most complete available on internet. Too kind gents.--Stefanomencarelli 13:23, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Performances

RE.2005 was sometimes rated at 678 kmh, but these performances are not coped with series version. It appear that the maximum speed could had been 678kmh but even IF that performance was correctly reported (exactly 50kmh more than ufficial rate, humm....) it is referring to prototype trials, without radio antenna mast and full armament (that was 4x12,7+1x20 or only 2x12,7+1x20 instead to 3x20+2x12,7 with some differences also on drag over the weight). Seen the mirable performances of P-39 Prototipes it's not difficult to understand why RA stated ufficially: 510 kmh at sealevel, and 628 at 6900 m. 678 are definitively too high for a series machine, and this is proof because it was 'eventually' reached by prototipe, quite different than series model.--Stefanomencarelli 19:28, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Found some information about this "speed" issue - Source " Dimensione Cielo - Caccia Italiani nella Seconda Guerra Mondiale" By Emilio Brotzu, Michele Caso, Gerardo Cosolo - Eizioni Bizzarri - Roma, 1971. The source states that the 678 Km/h were attained on a "speed record base" - the aircraft performed a shallow dive, stabilized the instruments, leveled and aligned with the base, and the time was marked. - the thing was repeated to build up a statistic base. Later tests, without the shallow dive but with full load and military equipment, gave those 628.5 Km/h.

My Idea is that 628.5 Km/h is the correct TAS to be indicated for the aircraft, because representative of the actual operational performances. Regards, Luciano M. Trentadue —Preceding unsigned comment added by Luciano M. Trentadue (talk • contribs) 06:38, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Contested section

This section needs revision before adding to the main body of text. I am moving this reversion in order to preserve the text: "Such testing was evaluated first in Guidonia and the speed performances resulted improved (628 Kph with FIAT engine and more than 650 Kph with DB engine) for followed modified to Luftwaffe performances how FIAT engines was changed by original DB engine, your Piaggio P.2001 propeller was replaced by an original V.D.M. propeller and relative hub and the gas throttle (control) was inverted. The MM.495 example was then bought by R.L.M. and moved to Rechlin airfield; these modification were known as RE.2005 "LW". Possibly used in defense of Berlin among other disposable aircraft in city against enemy forces in last days of war or destroyed by day/night intense Allied bombardment in city perimeter in same times; along why Germans poses interests in your own manufacture but no started such production

Exist certain myth about one Re.2005 full equiped staffel opered from Stendal/Borstel airfield in Bandenburg,but no exist evidence at respect,among the alleged unique example used by Germans in Ploesti,Romania; no exist any document why sustained this affirmation.

Often mentioned is the proposed Re.2007, a jet project capable of performances similar to the F-86 Sabre. This design appeared to be only a concept and had been proposed before the end of the war, with information regarding the designs only coming to light in the 1960s. In fact this design was wholly fictitious and "planted" by Longhi in the Reggiane archives during the 1960s. The real Re.2007 project was a modification of the Re.2006 with a new fuselage housing a radial engine and with extensive glazing. It was intended as a high-speed mail carrier." FWiW Bzuk (talk) 01:37, 20 May 2009 (UTC).

Oops, sorry, I wasn't aware of the dispute, it just seemed to me that the section was badly written. I've edited it anyway before I saw your edits. I feel I should point out that sections written like that really belong to the Simple English Wikipedia.Brutaldeluxe (talk) 01:53, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

No, it was good that you refreshed my memory about this article as it was one of a series of disputed articles that ended up in a lengthy copy-edit campaign to help develop the articles further. Some of the others such as the Fiat G.50, Macchi MC.202 and others made it through the process, but this one may have "fallen through the cracks." I did see some improvement here but the last section is definitely in need of work. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 02:00, 20 May 2009 (UTC).

Ok, should we leave the section as per my last edit? I gave some thought to rewriting the contested section, but gave up as it was so bad I couldn't make sense of it.Brutaldeluxe (talk) 02:08, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

What a lot of editors were doing was removing poorly written sections to the talk pages of the articles, and then working on the revisions there before adding them back, The original submitter was invited to participate in the editing but the language difficulties and eventually a sense of frustration set in to preclude this attempt at assistance. FWiW, you can try your best at revision but the fractured sentence structure, undecipherable syntax and lack of verifiable references also stymied most honest efforts. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 02:21, 20 May 2009 (UTC).

Well, my M.O. is to delete and then replace with referenced material.Brutaldeluxe (talk) 02:35, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Good luck there; how's your Italian? FWiW Bzuk (talk) 02:40, 20 May 2009 (UTC).

Ahaha (at the good luck there). As good as my English, I would say, call me if you have any translation needs, I would have a word with our friend Gian Piero if I wasn't scared of stirring up a nest of wasps. Oh dear, this is not meant to be a forum is it? Delete as you please. Brutaldeluxe (talk) 02:57, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Attilios talk can be a prime assist if you really want to find some Italian source documents. He is very fluent in both English and Italian and a gentleman to boot. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 03:15, 20 May 2009 (UTC).

A book called "Spitfires over Sicily" (Cull, Galea and Malizia) http://www.amazon.co.uk/Spitfires-Over-Sicily-Hurricanes-Tobruk/dp/1902304322 provides a comprehensive and unbiased day to day events log of the air operations over Sicily involving the Malta based Spitfires; this includes encounters with the RE 2005s of 362 Squadriglia, some of which are mentioned in the text of the article. I should be able to borrow a copy of this book, which should be of some use. Minorhistorian (talk) 21:38, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

According to http://www.comandosupremo.com/Re2007.html the RE.2007 is a completely different aircraft, and looking at the picture I would agree.Brutaldeluxe (talk) 22:38, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

See: Re.2007. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 22:51, 20 May 2009 (UTC).

The operational history section... I dont like the first part, it is confused, confusing and without references... I wonder why noboby havent cut any parts, while if I add quotes with references that dont meet the tastes of some main contributor of en wiki is quickly deleted with or without (more often) explanation ...

--Gian piero milanetti (talk) 18:59, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

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