Talk:Ralph Miliband

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He or his father?[edit]

[As Adolphe Miliband, he was born in Brussels of Polish-Jewish émigré parents. Both his parents lived in the Jewish quarter of Warsaw, before his father, Samuel Miliband, joined the Red Army in the Polish–Soviet War.[1][2] He is buried in Highgate Cemetery close to Karl Marx and many celebrated left-leaning minds of the 20th Century.]

Who is buried in Highgate Cemetery, Ralph or Samuel? Intelligent Mr Toad (talk) 05:17, 14 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

If it is Samuel it is hardly necessary to mention it; if Ralph the statement would preferably follow his own death.--Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 16:16, 7 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I am quite sure it is ralph but I didn't find a cite with a quick look - this article http://www.camdennewjournal.com/reviews/books/2010/sep/books-review-ralph-miliband-and-politics-new-left-michael-newman has a pic of him as a young man. Off2riorob (talk) 17:51, 29 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Quote about his sons[edit]

Where does the quote - "The sadness of some of Ralph's circle at Ed and David's divergence from their father is considerable." come from?

I saw no reference to it in the article it was linking to. Athosfolk (talk) 12:08, 27 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It's in the second part of the article. That could be made clearer, or the quote, which is given without any context whatsoever, could be removed completely. – Hysteria18 ^{(Talk • Contributions)} 14:50, 27 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Royal Navy[edit]

Hello, it says in the abstract he served in the British Army. He of course served in the Royal Navy, could someone please change this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.86.243.150 (talk) 10:57, 7 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed – Hysteria18 ^{(Talk • Contributions)} 12:33, 9 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I notice no citations for service in the Navy. Nor are any dates given. If no-one can find a citation we may have to delete it. 80.192.22.216 (talk) 10:11, 30 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Check his obits? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.111.27.50 (talk) 13:28, 1 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Adolph or Adolphe?[edit]

It's 'Adolphe' in the lead and infobox, but 'Adolph' further down. Which is correct?--A bit iffy (talk) 16:22, 29 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

With an 'e'. Now cited and consistent. Philip Cross (talk) 17:31, 29 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The Mail[edit]

The article notes that "On 1 October 2013, the Daily Mail' published an article by the Labour leader defending his father's patriotism following a feature in the newspaper three days earlier which had severely criticised Ralph Miliband." However, this is severely misleading without adding that the Mail re-published its original feature together with a combative editorial. As it stands, this sentence makes it sound almost as though the Mail is admitting error or at least allowing equal weight to both sides of the argument - which obviously isn't the case. To balance things out, then, I added these sentences: "At the same time, the Mail republished its original piece with a headline "We repeat", and it published an editorial defending its original stance. Mail readers were not allowed to add comments to the editorial or to Miliband's article, only to the republished anti-Miliband article." But these changes have been reverted, supposedly as giving undue weight to these details. However, without these sentences, the original statement is misleading for the reasons I've given. 82.153.39.9 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 14:26, 1 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I was probably a littler hasty in removing all all your addition, but this article is about Miliband Snr. What the Mail has done, or not done, in regard to the comments section of the articles, and its reassertion in a virtual reprint of the Levy article and the accompanying editorial, is drifting from the immediate subject. If a more substantial outline of the incident becomes necessary, if it should remain in the news, such content really belongs elsewhere, in Ed Miliband's biography or the Daily Mail article. Philip Cross (talk) 14:59, 1 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/i-had-to-defend-my-dad-they-crossed-the-line-by-publishing-a-picture-of-his-gravestone-says-ed-8853222.html

Xb2u7Zjzc32 (talk) 23:14, 21 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

'Early years in Britain' quotes sections from biography that the author claims are used to present a distorted picture of RM[edit]

http://www.theguardian.com/media/2013/oct/01/daily-mail-distorted-book-ralph-miliband?CMP=twt_gu

I've not read the biography myself, but this section of the wiki-article did seem like a hit-job when I first read it, and then I stumbled upon this article by the author of the biography claiming that the quotes have been used misleadingly out of context by the Mail. I'd vote for removing them, but don't want to jump in and do so without being better informed, and do not have time to look into or join any real discussion on this. Best of luck to anyone who tries to improve this article! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.114.215.64 (talk) 18:46, 1 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I am confused. The article states that Ralph was born to "working class" parents. After fleeing their home in Belgium, how could they afford to put him through university? Acorn897 (talk) 20:24, 1 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Between the end of WWII and the late 1990s, higher education in the UK was free, with tuition fees paid by local authorities, which also contributed a maintenance grant towards students' living costs. 86.149.142.215 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 21:50, 2 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

According to the ODNB, Miliband "received a grant from a refugee organization to resume his education".--Britannicus (talk) 22:01, 2 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

End of communism[edit]

As a Marxist, Miliband has been proven wrong by history. Did he repent of his Marxism in later life?Royalcourtier (talk) 04:41, 6 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

His last book, of 1994, might be enlightening. The title implies that he knew Marxism had little support at that time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by PrinceMilliband (talk • contribs) 08:52, 24 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]