Talk:Prime Minister of Mongolia

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Council of Commissars / Ministers[edit]

Since I'm not sure of the exact date of the change, I'm not going to edit the entry now. But from my experience (whatever the official claims notwithsstanding) the following quote is wrong:

Shortly after this, the party established the Mongolian People's Republic, and the Prime Minister's post was superseded by one known by the title "Chairman of the Council of People's Commissars". This was changed to "Chairman of the Council of Ministers" in 1946.

I've been working with documents from the 1930s, and have never seen the "Council of People's Commissars" - it has always been simply "Council of Ministers" - my instinct (but completely unsupported at this point) is that "Council of People's Commissars" was probably very short-lived. I've never heard it outside of this webpage.

Danzan Bagsh 09:32, 25 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It seems to be extremely hard to come by reliable sources on this stuff. If you manage to dig up anything better than what we have, that would be great! --Latebird 20:43, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi - sorry. Left Mongolia, settling into a new place, etc., so haven't had time to do much besides sit and work. I did just take a quick look through my sources (at least those I have with me -- most are still en route from the US). I do have a scan of a page from a Mongolian journal in 1938 (Namyn Baiguulalt) that describes Amar as being the "Prime Minister" (Eronhii Said) of the "Council of Ministers" (Said naryn zovlol). (being lazy with transcriptions right now, but it should be clear enough - plus I'm transliterating from the cyrillic form, but you get what I mean). I'll poke around a bit more and see if I can find something a bit more "official." Danzan Bagsh 09:42, 23 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ok. I just looked a bit more. There's an undated (but c. 1940, since the dates stop in 1939) biography of Choibalsan on www.chriskaplonski.com/available_books.html. If you check out page 60, there's a reference to "the people's council of ministers" - "Ardyn Said naryn Zovlol" (insert correct umlauts). So another reference that uses Council of Ministers in preference to this "People's Commissars" thing. Does anyone have an actual reference (ie, not another website) for the latter? Danzan Bagsh 15:12, 24 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The list[edit]

I am not sure whether Khatanbaatar Magsarjav was a PM.

There's another version:

Sain Noyan Khan Namnansuren 1912/07-1919/02

Shanzudba Badmadorj 1919

Jilhanza Hutuhtu Damdinbazar 1921/01-1921/03

D. Chagdarjav 1921/03

D. Bodoo 1921/03-1922/02

etc...

Gantuya eng (talk) 05:11, 28 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think it's not really clear who was the prime minister under Ungern-Sternberg. Some sources say the Jalkhanz Khutagt was prime minister, others say he was only minister for the Interior. Yaan (talk) 17:47, 28 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I see Gantuya eng (talk) 03:18, 29 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Danzan[edit]

What was Soliin Danzans position in 1924? I always thought he was some kind of prime minister - or was he only minister of defense then? Yaan 19:05, 3 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Badamdorj etc.[edit]

What do people think of this: http://proekt-wms.narod.ru/states/mongolia.htm ? --Chinneeb_{my talk} 05:58, 8 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Some issues[edit]

Some parts of this list seem strange: Why does it begin in 1919 of all possible dates? Did Badamdorj stay pm after 1919? What about Ungern's puppet government? Yaan (talk) 17:53, 15 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Um, the list starts 1912... (and the reason is explained in the text). The second question is also discussed on Talk:Khatanbaatar Magsarjav. --Latebird (talk) 01:50, 16 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry about that first question - no idea how I got to that question, maybe I looked at some old version of the article? But the third (not second?) question is only partially discussed at the Magsarjav article: in fact, some sources also seem to say the Jalhanz Hutagt was prime minister, Baabar in the Mongolian version of his book seems to say the prime minister was some Manjshir (sp?) Hutagt Tserendorj - probably a lama at the well-known Manjshiriin(sp?) hiid , 10 km north of Zuunmod, and not identical with Balingiin Tserendorj?. Yaan (talk) 19:35, 16 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Succession during Ungern's rule[edit]

According to information provided here, the article currently appears to list the communist exile government for that time, while the de-facto Prime Minister under Ungern and the Bogd Khan was someone named Sambadondovyn Tserendorj. We now need reliable sources to confirm this, so that we can create an article about him and show the parallel development in the list here. --Latebird (talk) 07:10, 7 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I wouldn't call it "parallel", it is just overlapping a bit. As for sources, it seems Baabar can be useful. Yaan (talk) 14:57, 8 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]