Talk:Prime Minister of Italy/Archive 1

Requested move

The following is a closed discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The MOS says that "prime minister" should be lower case when it is used "generically", which it is here; the article is not about a particular individual thus titled, but about the office. Moreover his official title is not "Prime Minister", as in Commonwealth countries, but rather "President of the Council of Ministers", so it's really just inaccurate to capitalize it. --Trovatore 08:43, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Note also that if this is an American/British difference (which I sense it may be), then since Italy is neither American nor British, the tiebreaker is the first non-stub version of the article. That was my translation, which used the lowercase m (before that there were only redirects to the list of prime ministers of Italy article. --Trovatore 08:59, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Oh, wait, no, that's not quite how it happened. There was a "Prime Minister of Italy" article but it was misnamed; it was really a list of prime ministers. I moved it to an accurate title and then translated this article, at Prime minister of Italy. So while there was an earlier article at the current title, with the capital M, it was not actually about the office of prime minister. My translation was the earliest article that was, and therefore is the one whose spelling should be followed, if it's a national-spelling type difference. --Trovatore 09:03, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

I support this move for the reasons given in Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style#Capitalization of "prime minister", and because the article itself uses the lower case form in the introduction: "In Italy, the President of the Council of Ministers (Italian: Presidente del Consiglio dei Ministri) is the country's prime minister." – Kieran T ^(talk) 12:56, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Support, noting that the lower case form is also perfectly idiomatic in British English, and is mandated by the Guardian Style Guide [1] —Ian Spackman 13:04, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

This article has been renamed from Prime Minister of Italy to Prime minister of Italy as the result of a move request. --Stemonitis 09:05, 16 March 2007 (UTC)