Talk:Pork Chop Hill (film)

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On 3 October 2022, it was proposed that this article be moved from Pork Chop Hill to Pork Chop Hill (film). The result of the discussion was moved.

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The 7th Division fought two battles for Pork Chop Hill in 1953. The first was in April and is the battle depicted in the film. The second was a much larger and costlier battle in July. I made a minor correction in this article to reflect that. 131.238.92.62 12:11, 3 February 2006 (UTC)Buckboard[reply]

Racist??[edit]

In 1959 it seems quite racist to show only one black man who happens to be the only coward.

I dont know if this is based on the book, or whether it was true at all. However I would be surprised to hear that in Korea there where lone black men fighting alonside whites.

At worst it is quite racist and at best it shows lack of tact and political correctness.Cgonzalezdelhoyo 06:38, 13 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The Korean War was the beginning of the integration of blacks into the armed forces, replacing the old segregation of all black units. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.28.226.128 (talk) 12:36, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The cowardice of the Woody Strode character is not based on any reality of how African-Americans generally or historically behaved in battle, whether in all-black units or segregated ones. In fact it is reported that black soldiers distinguished themselves in every US conflict up to and including the Korean War - US War of Independence, the Civil War (Buffalo Soldiers), WWI, WWII. Some military historians have in fact reported that one reason why segregated US troop units were preferred until the last third of the 20th century was because the military hierarchy were worried about the political effects of black soldiers fighting alongside to white soldiers, and considering themselves as equals, and seeing white men at their most vulnerable - fearful, screaming for their mothers, maybe showing cowardice.

The black persistent coward of Pork Chop Hill, (and the primitive-thinking 'American Indian', foul Mexican bandido and helpless white woman of the traditional western) represents the lowly way white men regarded these groups inside and outside Hollywood for centuries. In Pork Chop Hill, at least two other black soldiers are depicted, but they are so light-skinned (lighter = good) that it's hard to distinguish them among the other grimy faces. One black soldier appears to carry corporal's stripes on his sleeve, but this is undermined because he is an extra, never shown in any sort of role in his platoon. The American diversity in the movie is shown only by focus on George Shibata's Japanese-American Lieutenant. The racial politics of the movie is not present in S.L.A. Marshall's original, scholarly book - it is an indicator of the attitude of the scriptwriters/director.
Centrepull (talk) 14:19, 26 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Find reliable sources to support your position relative to the movie and you're good to go. Wikipedia is not a blog.--Georgia Army Vet Contribs Talk 21:37, 27 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Two Black Men[edit]

If I remember correctly there were two black men in the movie. 
At one point the one assigned to watch the frightened Franklin

says to him "I have a lot of intrest in what you do." meaning that his behavior on the battlefield reflects on all blacks serving in the recently integrated armed forces. 70.230.246.159 (talk) 16:26, 7 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Fact of the Times[edit]

At the onset of the Korean War, integration of the armed forces had really only just begun. An all-black regiment, the 24th Infantry, had been placed into combat and performed terribly, breaking and running at almost the first shot. This is now commonly attributed to their poor training, equipment, support and leadership along with segregationist attitudes still prevalent, Consequentially, the regiment was disbanded and their members scattered among other, mostly all-white units. This is Private Franklin's position. Once given real leadership and equal treatment, black soldiers went on to distinguish themselves as they do to this day. ---- Dick Bulova — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.219.221.203 (talk) 19:39, 29 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 3 October 2022[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) – robertsky (talk) 16:06, 11 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Pork Chop Hill → Pork Chop Hill (film) – Suggest that the primary topic here is the event the film is about rather than the film, therefore I propose moving to the disambiguated title so the current title can be redirected to Battle of Pork Chop Hill as a WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT. Mdewman6 (talk) 23:29, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom.--Ortizesp (talk) 20:12, 4 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. Mztourist (talk) 07:51, 5 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:21, 6 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.