Talk:Popular Conservatism

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Morning Star as a source[edit]

I've removed the use of "far-right" attributed to the Morning Star. They are absolutely on the hard right of the Tory party, but they are not "far-right" in the usual sense of the term in British politics: see Far-right politics in the United Kingdom for what that means. See Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Perennial_sources#Morning_Star for the consensus of the Morning Star as a source on political matters. — The Anome (talk) 07:43, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've removed the reference again, with its cite. The Morning Star is not a reliable source (in the Wikipedia sense) on political matters. From the policy page, quote: "There is no consensus on whether the Morning Star engages in factual reporting, and broad consensus that it is a biased and partisan source. All uses of the Morning Star should be attributed." The well-known partisan nature of the Morning Star's political reporting rules it out from being considered a WP:RS in this context. If you want to characterise this group as far-right, you will need to find a WP:RS that actually says that. — The Anome (talk) 20:02, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Monito rapido: you have cited a one-man personal blog (which bills itself aa "a left-wing political comment site, entirely owned and run by Mike Sivier") as a source, which is insufficient to support this claim in this context. Please see the reliable sources policy for what is and is not a reliable source. See WP:BLOG for more on this. If you disagree with this, please discuss this on the talk page rather than re-instating the text without an adequate cite. — The Anome (talk) 17:29, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I know you're right about that. But Morning Star medium is not prohibited to use. It only has a minor warning but it can be used. Monito rapido (talk) 19:32, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Likely it should only be used here (if at all) in a context where the claim is being in-line attributed to them, not repeated in 'wikivoice' as an editorial statement. 109.255.211.6 (talk) 13:01, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It is indeed OK to cite the Morning Star in some contexts, but this is not one of them. The consensus seems to be that the Morning Star is not a known reliable source in the field of politics; and even when you cite it, that it should be acknowledged inline as something like "According to the Morning Star, X is Y". — The Anome (talk) 16:14, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Far-right[edit]

OP blocked as a sockpuppet — Czello ^(music) 08:54, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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User:Czello you have me tired. It's exactly the same, I brought you sources that say so, what more do you want? The truth is I don't know why you say that they are not synonyms, it is something OBVIOUS. I gave you sources, you can't ignore it. Monito rapido (talk) 15:28, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think it is at all obvious and has been discussed previously on the project. Ultimately if a source says they're hard-right we should say "they've been described as hard-right". Extrapolating and putting them in the same extreme as fascism isn't neutral. — Czello ^(music) 15:34, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.