Talk:Penny in the hole

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Requested move[edit]

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

No consensus to move. Vegaswikian (talk) 18:31, 5 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Pitch penny → Quarters (game) – Pitch Penny and Quarters are mostly the same game, so I'm wondering which is a better title. I lean towards Quarters due to possible confusion with Pitching pennies. D O N D E groovily Talk to me 19:47, 31 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose move. There are no "Quarters" in Britain (Played at the Pub: The pub games of Britain) or Ireland or many other English speaking counties. Why move the name of the game to a parochial one (I think this comes under "non-nation-specific term" Fixed-wing aircraft. You may have a case for splitting the article into two but pitching into a small glass is quite a common variant and not restricted to the USA. BTW the sentence "Another version of the game is played in many western pubs" is not specific enough in a multi-national article.-- PBS (talk) 22:23, 31 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

User:Dondegroovily what are you doing? First you take the article Quarters (drinking game) and merge the contents into this article and the redirect Quarters (drinking game) to here. Time stamps of 19:37, 31 October 2011 and 19:38, 31 October 2011. Then you make 4 edits to this article finishing at 19:45, 31 October 2011‎. Then two minutes later you put in this requested move at 19::47, 31 October 2011 (UTC). Where did you seek a consensus for the merge? Please can you explain why we do not simply revert your merge and close this requested move? -- PBS (talk) 09:34, 2 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The first sentence merely describes the merge process, after all, if your don't redirect, there is no merge, just two duplicate articles. I saw the Quarters merge suggested at Talk:Pitch and toss and agreed, so I did it. They seem to be the same game. There is no explicit requirement to get consensus before merging pages (Wikipedia:Merging), merely a recommendation. The merge tags on this page had been sitting there for three years, trying to get more consensus (when there had been ZERO discussion for the first three years) would have taken another three years. If you have an actual content-related reason to unmerge (aka, not a "you didn't ask me first" kind of reason), maybe we can do that.

The move request was simply to ask the Wikipedia community whether to title the page Quarters or Pitch Penny. It's a simple question that's reasonable to ask.

Also, I created a new heading and pulled this out of the move discussion, as your comment isn't really about the proposed move. D O N D E groovily Talk to me 12:28, 2 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I have removed the division as it is part of a request for clarification. The merge suggestion as was on this page until you recently removed it was to Talk:Pitch and toss#Merge request and as you say was 3 years old, with no follow up. It would be usual in these circumstances add your opinion and wait a day or so for a reaction. The request should have been discussed on the talk pages of the articles affected rather than a third party page (That is why I asked were the discussion took place because it was not on the pages of the articles merged so I did not see it. One should not have to trawl through the history of the article to find out if a merge conversion took place somewhere else on Wikipedia). But my main query is if you thought the two should be merged into one why merge "Quarters (drinking game)" to here and then ask to move this page. Why did you not merge this page into "Quarters (drinking game)" and then no move would have been necessary? -- PBS (talk) 12:52, 2 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Because I didn't know if Quarters was the right title, thus the move discussion. This is something I often do with merge requests, since the ultimate destination and article title isn't always obvious. D O N D E groovily Talk to me 14:49, 2 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Also, Quarters (drinking game) isn't the right title, as there should be no more disambiguation than needed in article titles, thus Quarters (game). Either way, there would have been a move. D O N D E groovily Talk to me 16:16, 2 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The game of Quarters as described in this article seems to be a drinking game so the name it was at previously seems to be fine (sleeping dogs lying and all that) and as this article leads with pitch penny this does seem to be an accurate term from the article. As I said above "Quarters" is meaningless outside of the USA (with the possible exception of Canada (I don't know if they have as 25c coin and if they call it that). -- PBS (talk) 20:39, 2 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

No moves needed. Split the articles. The two games are not the same (read the articles) and were merged a few days ago without discussion. I'm tempted to it now myself per WP:BOLD. — AjaxSmack 02:06, 5 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.