Talk:Patricia Marroquin Norby

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Heritage[edit]

Yuchitown, Thanks so much for your interest in Patricia Marroquin Norby's article.

I am confused about this edit. The source was a school district document - not quite getting how language from one document should supersede commonly available information. In most cases,

she's just identified as "Purépecha"

"Patricia Marroquin Norby" Purépecha has 3200 links
"Patricia Marroquin Norby" Purepéche has 3 links

"Patricia Marroquin Norby" Tarascan has 6 links
"Tarascan" had been described as "The term has pejorative connotations"
it's better to link the words in quotes - and then find a link that best fits that phrase. The best that I could find was "[[Apache#Languages|Eastern Apache]] descent"

Based on this, it seems that the most appropriate and considerate language is that Norby "is of Purépecha and Eastern Apache descent."

I am guessing, but I could definitely be wrong, that you are a close contributor to the subject of the article, if that is right, please look at Wikipedia:Conflict of interest guidelines.–CaroleHenson (talk) 23:33, 21 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

No, I am not particularly involved in this article, nor do I have a conflict of interest. It's just good practice to use the actual quote from the person in question. The quote is significant for its earlier appearance. Yuchitown (talk) 00:42, 22 July 2023 (UTC)Yuchitown[reply]

I see. It is sounding like we can work something out. There are already sources in the article that mention that she is of Purépecha and Apache descent. I just got a count on Eastern Apache and found just three so the common information by far is that she is of Purépecha and Apache descent.

So it seems that the best approach is to: use sources already in the References list (i.e., not needing to search any more). I will add a couple extra citations, a common approach when there have been differences of opinion to show that it's the common usage. And, the usage will exactly match the source (not a requirement, but I am hearing where you are coming from).–CaroleHenson (talk) 01:31, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I have updated the article as mentioned directly above. I also put the other sentence (with the uncommon usage) in a note. So the body of the article is clean with common usage content - but the other sentence is still in the article.

As a side comment, I noticed that there were far fewer sources in the article than I expected that mentioned her specific nations / people. I am guessing that since she is representing all Native Americans it just confuses the issue by getting into her specific background. Do you have any thoughts about that?–CaroleHenson (talk) 01:58, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Added than I expected–CaroleHenson (talk) 02:20, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I am just asking to determine if there is some sensitivity about being more specific than "Native American" or "Indigenous person", like in at the National Museum of the American Indian.–CaroleHenson (talk) 21:01, 23 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You can always ask questions about Indigenous peoples of the Americas at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Indigenous peoples of North America! In the English-language Wikipedia uses Native American to refer to Native Americans in the United States. What exactly are you asking about Native American here? She is not a Native American herself, but she is the associate curator of Native American art. Yuchitown (talk)Yuchitown Yuchitown (talk) 22:04, 23 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yuchitown, Thanks for your response.

My point was that many articles just say she is Native American and wondered why a general statement of Native American was used.

I am confused by She is not a Native American herself. She is not Apache or Purépecha? Her great-grandmother is not Purépecha?–CaroleHenson (talk) 16:02, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Here (and in most cases in IRL) Native American is defined as belonging to Indigenous peoples of the United States. Purépecha are one of the Indigenous peoples of Mexico. She claims descent from them. Yuchitown (talk) 17:14, 24 July 2023 (UTC)Yuchitown[reply]

Yuchitown, Gotcha. That's the way that I have used the terms, because I use the terms commonly used in the relevant countries, e.g., "First Nations" for Canada, "indigenous people" for Mexico.

Fortunately, I just found, even though she's identified as Native American by some sources, like this, (perhaps due to her Apache ancestors), I didn't use that in the article. So, we're good to go.–CaroleHenson (talk) 23:09, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Indigenous woman[edit]

Just to piggy back on that discussion, and for future reference, Norby identifies herself as an "Indigenous woman" in his interview.–CaroleHenson (talk) 23:45, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Georgia O'Keeffe article - Native Scholar’s Questions[edit]

As an FYI, I am working on items from the Talk:Georgia O'Keeffe#Native Scholar’s Questions discussion that affects this article.–CaroleHenson (talk) 23:36, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]