Talk:Papal travel

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Did you know... that Pope John Paul II traveled more than all his predecessors combined?

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incognito travel[edit]

Have popes ever (in the modern era) traveled incognito? Bwrs (talk) 04:22, 5 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

There have been instances of various popes doing this but it appears to be limited to Rome and areas within Italy. Here are a few sources I found. https://theweek.com/articles/455105/short-history-popes-sneaking-vatican and https://www.iol.co.za/news/world/pope-hit-the-ski-slopes-incognito-312942

There don't appear to be any examples of any secretive international travel. Mtminchi08 (talk) 01:59, 24 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

First pope to leave Europe[edit]

The article claims that "Pope Paul VI (1963—1978) became the first pope to leave Europe" while this is referenced, it is also an extraordinary claim. It is known (and stated in the article) that many popes travelled to Constantinople, which is just at the edge of the continent. Do we have any sources that really none of the many popes that travelled to Constantinople ever visited any of the Asian parts of that city? Also, the first pope, St. Peter, is commonly assumed to have travelled both in Europe (Rome, Corinth) and Asia (Jerusalem, Antioch), though maybe he did all his Asian travel before entering Europe the first time?

SPTH (talk) 15:28, 5 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

voluntary travel of the Pope was non-existent for the first 500 years[edit]

The article claims "voluntary travel of the Pope was non-existent for the first 500 years" without citing a source. St. Peter is considered the first pope, and he travelled voluntarily. The next pope, Linus is not known to have travelled, but not much is known about him anyway, so we can't say that he didn't travel either. The situation is similar for many of the other popes during the first 500 years.

SPTH (talk) 20:49, 5 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

No visits by a pope[edit]

Since encyclopedia articles are about events which have happened rather than events which have not occurred, the following list probably should not be included within the article itself. If someone can find a reliable source citation, then feel free to move this list into the article.

As of February 2023,^[update] no pope has ever visited the following countries - 56 member states of the United Nations, nine non-UN member states with limited international recognition, and two associated states of New Zealand.

Region	Country
East Africa	Comoros
	Djibouti
	Eritrea
	Ethiopia
	Somalia
	Somaliland ^{[Note 1]}
North Africa	Algeria
	Libya
	Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic ^{[Note 1]}
Southern Africa	Namibia
West Africa	Liberia
	Mauritania
	Niger
	Sierra Leone
Middle America	Antigua and Barbuda
	Barbados
	Dominica
	Grenada
	Saint Kitts and Nevis
	Saint Vincent and the Grenadines
South America	Guyana
South America	Suriname
Central Asia	Kyrgyzstan
	Tajikistan
	Turkmenistan
	Uzbekistan
East Asia	China
	Mongolia
	North Korea
	Taiwan ^{[Note 1]}
South Asia	Afghanistan
	Bhutan
	Maldives
	Nepal
Southeast Asia	Brunei
	Cambodia
	Laos
	Malaysia
	Vietnam
Western Asia	Abkhazia ^{[Note 1]}
	Artsakh ^{[Note 1]}
	Kuwait
	Northern Cyprus ^{[Note 1]}
	Oman
	Qatar
	Saudi Arabia
	South Ossetia ^{[Note 1]}
	Yemen
Eastern Europe	Belarus
	Moldova
	Russia
	Transnistria ^{[Note 1]}
Southern Europe	Andorra
	Kosovo ^{[Note 1]}
	Montenegro
	Serbia
Western Europe	Monaco
Oceania	Cook Islands ^{[Note 2]}
	Kiribati
	Marshall Islands
	Micronesia
	Nauru
	Niue ^{[Note 2]}
	Palau
	Tonga
	Tuvalu
	Vanuatu

^ ^a ^b ^c ^d ^e ^f ^g ^h ⁱ Non-UN member state with limited international recognition
^ ^a ^b No pope has ever visited the Cook Islands or Niue, the two associated states of the Realm of New Zealand, although New Zealand itself was visited by Pope John Paul II in 1986.

Mtminchi08 (talk) 01:04, 4 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

New map added[edit]

A new map has been added to this article - [File:Foreign trips of Paul VI.svg] for the travels of Pope Paul VI

The previous map had four errors per a 19 January 2011 note left on the previous map's Discussion page

* The first two are rather confusing. You may want to read the Wikipedia article on Bangladesh for further clarification. In 1970, Pope Paul VI visited the city of Dacca, Pakistan. However Dacca is now Dhaka and is the capital city of Bangladesh. When the Pope visited Dacca, it was located in the part of Pakistan that was then known as East Pakistan. After the Bangladesh Liberation War in 1971, East Pakistan broke away from Pakistan and became the seperate nation of Bangladesh. Therefore, Pakistan should NOT be colored yellow on this map and Bangladesh SHOULD be colored yellow.

* Jordan was visited by Pope Paul VI in 1964. It SHOULD be colored yellow.

* France was NOT visited by Pope Paul VI during his papacy. It should NOT be colored yellow."

The new map [File:Foreign trips of Paul VI.svg] corrects the above errors. A special "thank you" to User:Golden for creating the new map. Mtminchi08 (talk) 00:54, 13 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

[note1-1] ^ ^a ^b ^c ^d ^e ^f ^g ^h ⁱ Non-UN member state with limited international recognition

[note2-2] No pope has ever visited the Cook Islands or Niue, the two associated states of the Realm of New Zealand, although New Zealand itself was visited by Pope John Paul II in 1986.

[Note 1]

[Note 2]