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Language(s) used

I couldn't find in the article what languages are used in the conclave. Clearly Latin is used at some points, but what language is used for general discussions. Nigej 15:32, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

From what I gather, silence is mandatory within the Sistine Chapel itself during the conclave, thus the cardinal-electors effectively communicate by the successive results of their balloting. As for the general discussions, I'd say Italian and/or Latin. kencf0618 (talk) 22:43, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
The conclave is the entire process, not just the voting. I'm not sure if silence is required during voting (but in practical terms there is no need for discussion at that time anyway), but talking at other times not only is allowed, it's necessary. The official language used is Latin, although I'm sure other languages are used since some of the cardinals are not fluent in Latin. Cresix (talk) 23:08, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

Clarification needed about announcement of ballot results

The article doesn't make it clear to what extent the result of a ballot (without a 2/3 majority) is announced to the members of the conclave, and exactly how that's done. Do they get to see a full list of names and the votes each received via something like a whiteboard?

It's also not stated how the discussion is usually organised between ordinary ballots. Is it more like a parliament or a party?

Majesty of the Commons (talk) 05:07, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

My understanding is that the cardinal-electors see the results of each ballot, although not who voted for whom. Correct me if I'm wrong! kencf0618 (talk) 11:33, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
Counting of votes occurs in the presence of the electors. With the checking and re-checking process, there should be no doubt among electors about the vote tallies. Cresix (talk) 16:15, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

Question about content

I see the text " In 1562, Pius IV issued a papal bull that introduced regulations" ... is that really supposed to be the word "bull" or perhaps it was a typo for "bill" ?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.156.205.173 (talk) 12:14, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

Bull is correct. See Papal bull. Cresix (talk) 13:43, 11 March 2013 (UTC)


section Historical voting patterns

The section Historical voting patterns, in addition to be tagged as OR, seems more a history of modern popes than a history of voting patterns (although the first paragraph seems to be about voting the 2nd and 3rd paragraphs seem to just describe popes.) IS there opinion on removing the section? (If kept we need references so we can remove the OR tag.) RJFJR (talk) 19:25, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

I wouldn't object to the section if the actual concept of voting patterns was sourced (i.e., reliable sources that discuss the idea that cardinals vote for a pope radically different than the pope who appointed them). In that context, the description of the popes that you mention would serve to illustrate the voting patterns. The one source cited in the section largely discusses the difference between John Paul II and Benedict XVI, with some mention of other popes. As the section is right now, it is mostly someone's essay of their personal point of view of voting patterns (original research). That alone is enough to remove the section in my opinion. I tagged it about a month ago. If others feel that is sufficient time to delete, I favor deleting. Cresix (talk) 20:48, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

Nomination for semi-protection of the article

I think it would be to everybody's benefit that the editing of this page was restricted to autoconfirmed users as there has been an increase in vandalism of the page by unregistered editors. The threat of vandalism of this page is obviously high given current events, and I think semi-protecting it would decrease this threat level considerably. Aw16 (talk) 17:18, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

cum clave

the cardinal electors should be locked in seclusion cum clave (Latin for "with a key")

Latin "with a key" is not "cum clave" but "clave" or "per clavem". The alleged "cum clave" is pseudo-Latin, probably a back translation from English or German, where an instrumental expression requires the preposition "with" or "mit" respectively (unlike in Latin), which makes the etymology highly unlikely. Moreover, "conclave" is not a contorted Latin expression, it is an ordinary Latin noun which means "a chamber" or "a room". Therefore conclave, taken literally, means nothing else than the place where the council of cardinals is being held; and figuratively it means the council itself. -79.185.8.188 (talk) 11:34, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

Contact with the external world

Out of curiosity: how would contact be made with the external world if it became imperative to do so: the two most likely possibilities being 'assorted emergencies' that cannot wait out the conclave however short it is, or a non-present person being elected? Jackiespeel (talk) 13:57, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

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