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A fact from Palestinian Authority Martyrs Fund appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 8 July 2017 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that the Palestinian Authority Martyr's Fund pays monthly stipends to the families of suicide bombers?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2017/July. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Palestinian Authority Martyr's Fund.

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On 5 August 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved to Palestinian martyr payments. The result of the discussion was not moved.

Existing article??[edit]

Surprised that no article exists on this large Fund. If this duplicates an existing article, ping me or something.E.M.Gregory (talk) 23:33, 25 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Bias[edit]

Extreme bias and first link states "The Palestinians defend the funds as vital welfare that compensate for an unfair military-run justice system, provide income for families who have lost their primary breadwinners and enable released prisoners to reintegrate into society." no mention of motive needed for the stipends, therefore the first thing that is read on the page is not mentioned in the article linked tied to it, also that the stipends are due to political violence specifically, is to put undue cause to the stipends dispensation. Even the next sentence states that even ordinary prisoners receive stipends contradicting the first statement. Then it also lacks mention that Israel often holds people for extended period of time without charge in administrative detention, these people also receive stipends. Therefore this article is simply parroting the Israeli government narrative. {{|edit extended-protected|First page to be edited|}} Cleansed one (talk) 06:38, 5 May 2022 (UTC) ^[1][reply]

Currently the article is very biased and not objective. There is no statement about this from palestinian authorities for example, only links to some specific media. Wikipedia should attempt to find more sources for the claim in particular because Israel claims that the EU funds terrorism, so this is a very delicate topic. 2A02:8388:1641:4700:BE5F:F4FF:FECD:7CB2 (talk) 14:38, 18 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I've added an NPOV tag and added it to the WP:Palestine list of articles for POV editing. Will have a crack at sourcing some of those claims more fully over the next week.TrickyH (talk) 01:00, 12 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

There is, in fact, a statement from Mahmoud Abbas, it's been there since long before the assertion by the anonymous editor above. If editors see POV issues, please be specific - it is impossible to fix issues based on vague assertions, and suggest specific edits that you perceive as useful.E.M.Gregory (talk) 18:42, 25 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Here is a POV issue "In 2010 (or 2014), the mounting criticism of the payments led to the PA transferring management of the Martyrs Fund to the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO), which now disburses the government-funding to terrorists and their families" not all recipients are terrorists. It is very clear in the article that some of the money is paid to prisoners of non-terrorist crimes in Israeli jails, for instance. I changed to the more neutral word "recipients", but was reverted. 2600:1700:1111:5940:D9F6:63D1:857A:104 (talk) 16:07, 13 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ https://web.archive.org/web/20200509143003/https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/09/world/middleeast/israel-palestinian-inmates-banks.html

Two Pinnochios[edit]

Does the Palestinian Authority pay $350 million a year to ‘terrorists and their families’?

The Washington Post's Fact Checker by Glenn Kessler gives a number of useful clarifications for this article.

Onceinawhile (talk) 08:48, 18 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Per WaPo it depends on how you interpret "who is a terrorist". The 350M$ should be attributed, and we should say it was criticized by WaPo who said that an estimate upwards of 100M$ is reasonable.Icewhiz (talk) 07:35, 19 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

More Bias[edit]

This starts with saying "which pays monthly cash stipends to the families of Palestinians killed, injured, or imprisoned while carrying out politically motivated violence against Israel." No, it pays stipends to Palestinians who have been killed injured or imprisoned by Israel. Not all of them were attacking Israel.

Three sentences later, this article claims that the fund paid out 303 M USD in 2016. The reference it gives says it paid out 170M USD. Not only that, but this reference is wrong: according to the WaPo fact checker it was much less. Mcdruid (talk) 20:28, 17 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

“Politically motivated violence”[edit]

Antisemitic terrorism would be more accurate. Helpfulguy101 (talk) 16:04, 26 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Gross comment. I wouldn't trust any page that you've edited - even the baseball ones.

And i can see im not the only person who finds your posts incredible. You're banned from editing the Zionist creation myth page. Hilarious. 2601:5CF:8000:6B60:BDB9:8EA5:8C4B:AB81 (talk) 11:55, 4 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 5 August 2023[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) — DaxServer (t · m · e · c) 12:44, 13 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Palestinian Authority Martyrs Fund → Palestinian martyr payments – Propose moving to Palestinian martyr payments. This article covers payments by both the Palestinian Authority and Hamas, and covers the "Martyrs Fund" to families and a separate fund to prisoners. Suggest moving to this title to reflect the overarching coverage of this article. Longhornsg (talk) 23:13, 5 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose: The article remains overwhelmingly about the specific Fatah organization, with just three sentences about the associated of Hamas fund, which is obviously a spin-off from the former related to the political split between the two groups. I don't think that those three sentences, at this time, merits renaming the page. Iskandar323 (talk) 18:20, 6 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Eli Lake[edit]

Citing Eli Lake, a well-known neo-conservative, is not a good look. I suggest finding better sourcing. — goethean 18:05, 20 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 26 October 2023[edit]

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Change the sentence "The PA spends nearly $350m. per year on pay for slay, but just $220m. for its other welfare programs for the rest of its citizens."" to read "The PA spends nearly $350 million per year on pay for slay, but just $220 million for its other welfare programs for the rest of its citizens."

Earlier in the page it uses million instead of m. when talking about US dollar amounts in the millions, so it would be good to have that same uniformity throughout. Yinyangman (talk) 21:09, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Done ARandomName123 (talk)^{Ping me!} 23:27, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 28 October 2023[edit]