Talk:Orthodox Jewish feminism

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Is Women of the wall an orthodox organization?[edit]

WOW is mentioned in the lead paragraph, but it's not specifically an orthodox organization, but rather either either multi-denominational, or conservative/reform. The wikipedia article on Women of the Wall states:
"From the start, Women of the Wall included Orthodox members and opted to run their service according to "Orthodox standards." Nevertheless, some Orthodox were offended, including some who call themselves Orthodox feminists.[6][7] Although Women of the Wall is a multi-denominational group, including not only Reform, but Conservative and Orthodox members, it has been viewed by some Israelis as a Reform organisation.[8][9][10][11][12][13][14][15][16]" Yaakovaryeh (talk) 21:08, 4 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

not orthodox[edit]

The relation of this organization to orthodox Judaism has not been established and the claims contained in this page are WP:POV. The recent rulings by both modern orthodox and agudat Israel make the claims contained in this article doubtful. I would suggest removing all mention of orthodox Judaism from the page, including the title. Council2 (talk) 12:49, 10 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It's not our role (as Wikipedia editors) to accept other group's opionions of a group being valid/invalid/misnamed except to say that other groups feel this way. By cited ref, the article appears to describe how the subject group defines itself, so per WP:NPOV and WP:V that's what wikipedia reports. If Y says to X "You are not Y", that doesn't make it intrinsically and objectively true; if X says "I am a Y", then we can correctly report that "this is what Y is" because the whole subject is one of self-identification. And further, there are independent references that describe X this way, so it's not just Y rejecting X despite X's protest to the contrary. DMacks (talk) 16:30, 10 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]