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I removed this:

the kidnapping and torture of Islamic Salvation Front founding member and mathematician Mohamed Tedjini Boudjelkha in November 1993; he was released after 5 days.

because it and whether Boudjelkha is even a founding member of ISF is unverified. —Quarl ^(talk) 2006-10-04 23:29Z

I don't believe the article should be prodded if it is a notable subject that is also on a different language wiki. I have removed the prodded, and added expand and wikify tags. Nishkid64 21:25, 9 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

New info from the Algeria Watch web site[edit]

There is a web site called www.algeria-watch.com that has pointers to books in French about the OJAL (Organization of Young Free Algerians). The web site takes a strong POV but they are full of citations to the regular French press, which could be followed up. (I know nothing about the credibility of the web site itself). Since my time is limited I decided to just post these references here and see if anyone wants to rewrite the article. If you take this on, I think you should remove all the stuff that doesn't have a reference to back it up. I actually added the references. Here's what I found that might be relevant:

These links: about the OJAL [1] and a review of the 'Franco-Algeria' book listed below [2].

These two books are so far only available in French. You can see them on www.amazon.fr:

Lounis Aggoun and Jean-Baptiste Rivoire (2004), "Françalgérie", crimes et mensonges d’Etats, [Franco-Algeria, Crimes and Lies of the States] ISBN 2707147478. Has a section called "The Organisation of Young Free Algerians, death squadron of the DRS", a section quoted in [3]. DRS stands for Département du Renseignement et de la Sécurité, the Algerian secret service.

Mohamed Samraoui, Chronique des années de sang [Chronicle of the years of blood], ISBN 2207254895. Not about OJAL specifically, but claims that the Algerian secret service sponsored some attacks that were attributed to the GIA in order to defame the Islamists.

Although the website and the books are POV, there are probably neutral ways of stating that these conspiracies and killings are *alleged*. There may be some books or articles on the other side but I haven't come across them yet. I notice that the AfD debate [4] has some other links, from the newspaper Humanité and from the UN High Commission for Refugees. See also "Algeria accepts the unacceptable", by Djamel Benramdane, [5]. Google for 'Djamel Benramdane' to find numerous articles in English. EdJohnston 01:30, 11 October 2006 (UTC). Updated EdJohnston 21:09, 15 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This article is now based on Algeria Watch[edit]

Since I'm the one who first proposed using Algeria Watch as a source, it's my duty to point out that the OJAL article now fully reflects their point of view. It's very scary and rather credible, but we'll be embarrassed if it turns out later that any of the Algeria Watch information is incorrect. It would be good to dig up more sources. Someone who reads French and is willing to Google through newspapers can probably find more. I think there are some books published, but I haven't checked them lately. EdJohnston 21:35, 16 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]