Talk:Orange County Science Fiction Club

This article was nominated for deletion on 25 February 2011 (UTC). The result of the discussion was keep.

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Scheduled for deletion[edit]

Our Club Wikipage is scheduled for deletion. I think it is worthy of remaining a Wikipedia page because we are not only a public special interest social club, but we are also an organization that participates in and organizes genre related events. Since we have participated in Science Fiction Conventions, such as Worldcon (2006) and LASFS's Loscon and have arranged book signings at the local Borders bookstore for established and new Science Fiction/Fantasy writers it should be apparent that we are active in the community outside of our meetings.

If you agree please leave comments on this discussion page saying why our Wikipage should remain. In addition please list any other relevant details about the club that you can think of.

Thanks.

Wesomniman (Wayne)

I think that OCSF deserves a Wikipedia page. It provides local support for what is becoming a dieing art; written speculative fiction. Bookstores are dieing too, and online interest groups are replacing clubs where people actually meet face to face. OCSF supports all these, and more.

Rttrek (talk) 00:57, 23 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Rttrek you make a good point, as more and more social things go online there is a chance that organization and clubs will actually meet in person less and less often. Recognizing a club/organization that actually holds meet ups is important. This is another reason why the OCSFC is important and relevant to the community.

Thanks

Wesomniman (Wayne)

Preventing Deletion[edit]

I am still doing some checking to find out why they want to delete our page considering it was accepted before. So please feel free to make any comments.

Wayne Wesomniman (talk) 05:15, 24 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

KEEPING UP WITH THE TIMES

Keep the wikipage! Our club encompasses writers (Jim Young, Shauna Roberts, Jude-Marie Green (me), to name a few), thinkers (Phil Osborn), and people who can discuss actual science that makes up science fiction (Dave Moore). We have guests from Southern California and elsewhere who are in media, in the industry, and into science fiction. We get together and talk about the local (and not-so-local) happenings at other clubs, museums, and events. We are, in fact, an information dissemination club. And wikipedia is all about information dissemination. Please do not delete.

Saycestsay (talk) 13:27, 24 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. Your comments are appreciated and your points are right on. I had not thought about us being an Information Dissemination Club, but we are. Our presence and participation at the various Convention is all about the exchange of ideas. Not to mention the author book signings we organize at the local Borders, which is all about making people aware of an author or their book.

If you have any more ideas about the value of the OCSFC please share them here.

Thanks again for your input.

Wesomniman (talk) 00:17, 25 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Anyone who is a member of the club or otherwise closely associated should take a look at WP:COI.--RadioFan (talk) 03:26, 25 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Of relevance in the above citation is this: "...Who has written the material should be irrelevant so long as these policies are closely adhered to. The imputation of conflict of interest is not by itself a good reason to remove sound material from articles. However, an apparent conflict of interest is a good reason for close review by the community to identify any subtle bias..." I see no reason to exclude an article about an established, ongoing noncommercial organization; I do agree that the article as written reads like a promotional brochure. Details about meeting times and so forth are unencyclopedic. But a few sentences of pure reportage ought to be permitted. so: mend it, don't end it. (Note: I am not a member of this group.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.13.37.176 (talk) 22:02, 25 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

To the person who posted the last message about removing meeting dates and times because that sounds like a promotion, you are right. I will see what can be done. Thank you.

Wesomniman (talk) 00:15, 26 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

A major contributor to this article appears to have a close connection with its subject.[edit]

As one of the major contributors to the OCSFC Wikipedia page it should be noted that I am a member of the club and while I have done my best to stay non bias some of the information I have contributed could be considered biased. I do not want to create a conflict of interest so I welcome anyone else who has information about the OCSFC to add that information.

Wesomniman (talk) 01:03, 26 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Reference Links[edit]

I and my friend went over each Link in the Reference section and several of them don't go anywhere that mentioned the club or a personality the reference link is for. I have tried to delete those invalid links but they keep being restore. Please explain why bad links should stay. Thank you. Wesomniman (talk) 09:50, 28 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Editing of page[edit]

There were two links in the reference section to the LASFS page and two links to the "San Diego Speculative Fiction Society, Inc. SF/Fantasy Outside San Diego" page. I deleted one of each to eliminate the redundancy. Both links are still there so the links are still active and valid, just not two of each. Wesomniman (talk) 08:11, 1 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Page saved[edit]

Thank you everyone who supported saving the OCSFC's page. We will make sure that it is improved. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wesomniman (talk • contribs) 23:18, 4 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Preventing Deletion[edit]

The Orange County Science Fiction Club is both an aspect of Orange County History and a fine example of the larger world wide phenomenon of Science Fiction fandom. When made aware of it, many people from out of the area (sometimes from across the nation) and join in the club's Message Board and expand and enlighten the discussions. People generally interested will find valuable reviews bibliographical information about novels and short stories, and even learn where to find lesser known or forgotten SF works. Local Orange County writers have found opportunity to present and discuss their works at the club meeting, and benefited from the comments of its well informed members. The club has also given aspiring writers opportunity to improve their work and get their stories published. The clubs Wikipedia page will help anyone who wants to understand the phenomenon of Science Fiction fandom, as it sets an example of how such a club can be welcoming and informative at the same time.

Rmiltonc (talk) 03:25, 9 March 2011 (UTC) Ralph[reply]