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Band members over the years

What was with that messy Band's line up section? I've changed it back to the older, cleaner version that is much easier to read and is called Band members over the years. It shows the current Line-up as well as past members and it is all presented in a easy to read graph. The only thing that might be a good addition could be a colour coded key. Seraph 31 15:33, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Best selling artist in the uk?

Channel 4 done this thing the best selling artists in the UK and oasis were 10th. if your wondering robbie williams was 1st i think that oasis were 10th should be mentiond

I saw `a similar thing where Oasis were 30-something, Cliff Richards was #1 and the Beatles were `#2.--Crestville 20:22, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Ye, I think i saw the sme one as Crestville. It was on recently but I had seen it before, maybe before the release of DBTT. It was only based on singles sales. Oasis came 26th with over 6.5 mil single sales but as I said, this was probably before the release of DBTT and its singles.--Play Brian Moore 18:29, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

I saw one that might have been the one you two saw. It was artists who've sold the most singles, and Cliff Richard was number one. After that I think it was Elvis and The Beatles. In my memory, Elvis came second, but I may just be imagining that. Who knows, eh? None of that's really relevant, as I can't remember what position Oasis were at all. --Benwilson528 02:12, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

I agree that this is not relevant, such polls are carried out on a regular basis by various sources which provides for unreliable information, in the end it comes down to a matter of opinion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.195.250.2 (talk) 13:49, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

I 100% agree with your sentiment except that the programme was based on factual information (ie sales figures for singles) and had absolutely nothing to do with 'opinion'.--Play Brian Moore (talk) 15:31, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Scott McLeod

Scott Mcleod was never acknowledged as an official member of the band. He was replacement for Guigsy in the video and for a couple of shows. But he was never an official member and he shouldn't be put neither in the member section, nor in the infobox. So, please, don't put him just because you think so. --Painbearer 08:05, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Relevance/Position in Britpop

"releasing their debut album Definitely Maybe in 1994, leading the Britpop movement."

This isn't technically true. I can see what the writer was getting at, although the actual text suggests that DM was one of the first britpop albums - which it wasn't. Some people even consider The Stone Roses to be a britpop album, and that came out in '89, but most would probably say Suede' eponymnous debut ('93) or The La's eponymous debut ('89) were the first. I'd suggest changing to something like: "...which is seen as one a milestone in the britpop music scene", despite how pompous it sounds The.shite.pours.out.of.me (talk) 15:09, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Fansites in External Links

Is it just me, or does the litany of fansites in the External Links seem really unencyclopedic? It seems like theres new ones added constantly, and some of them seem gratuitious and unnecessary. Heck, L4E isn't even on the list (currently), and that's certainly the biggest fan forum, as well as a fully comprehensive info site. Other bands' articles seem to have solved this issue by just linking to the band's official page linking fan sites, and leaving it at that. Thoughts? Castlecraver 19:46, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

I don't think it matters. As long as they are updated regularly and continue to be relevant than it's fine. They are references and the like, so that's what this is for. -- Bang bang you're dead

Fansites should be included. Often times they have more info regarding certain things than the official sites themselves. If you feel l4e should be on the list, then add it. Don't delete everyone else's.

GA on hold

This article will be put on hold (for 7 days) until these minor adjustments can be made :

1. Well written? Fail

2. Factually accurate? Fail Pass

3. Broad in coverage? Fail

4. Neutral point of view? Fail Pass

5. Article stability? Pass

6. Images? Fail

Additional comments :

• Copyrighted images lack fair use rationale.
• Examples of poorly written/weasel words ridden/pov oriented lines:
  • Thanks to the success of their critically acclaimed debut album
  • coupled with a supposed rivalry with contemporary band Blur
  • The Gallagher brothers featured regularly in tabloid newspaper stories, and cultivated a reputation as both bad boys and the band of the people.
  • At the height of their fame, how do you know it isn't finished or they wont be famous again?
  • Although there have been many theories on where Liam got the name from, he got it from an Inspiral Carpets tour poster which was in his and Noel's bedroom.
  • who had recently heard
  • Although he had been critical of them, he agreed, with the provision that he would become the band's sole songwriter and leader, and that they would commit to an earnest pursuit of commercial success.
  • The first of many notorious incidents came in February 1994 when the band were involved in a high-profile incident
  • Noel Gallagher's penchant for taking the odd riff or lyrics from other artists was now becoming notorious.
  • and many more...

    They thus need citations or be rewritten to rid such problems.

• This only shows the history of the band, what about a Criticism/Reception section.
• What about recording, where it took place.
• What about videos, influence, musical style.
• The discography subarticle should at least have a paragraph explaining what the group has done or what is expected.
• It is missing references en masse (a lot of them).

Lincher 17:51, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

I removed all of the bad images - Addit 22:58, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

GA failed

Even though lots of additions and tweakings were done lately on the article, I still feel that the article is full weasel words and close to pov-feelings toward the band. I also feel that there is a need for a Criticism/Reception section to give the story of the article in the light of the critics. The article will not be GA as of now but upon modifications, please bring it back to GA candidacy. Lincher 11:46, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Fair use for audio samples

According to fair use, audio samples do not need to be immediately adjoining relevant text. On other artist pages on Wikipedia, audio samples are similarly at the end of the page, and also happen to be fair use. ErleGrey 18:05, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

The fair use rationale is stronger if it accompanies the text, and if you nominate this as a Featured Article, you'd get plenty of voices telling you to place them next to the relevant text. Obviously lots of articles just shove them to the bottom, but that doesn't mean they should. WesleyDodds 23:19, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Most Successful?

See where it says Oasis became one of the most successful and in the third paragraph. Could this not be changed to the most successful band considering the Guinness Book of World records called Oasis the most successful band in Britain over the last 10 years?--Play Brian Moore 12:01, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes, but only if you cite the book (complete with page numbers). WesleyDodds 12:35, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Noel changed the name to Oasis not Liam

I was pretty sure that Noel said he would join the band on the premis that the name be changed from The Rain to Oasis. Liam was already in the band when it was called The Rain. Noel Came in and demanded the change. Can anyone back this up? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Stoo94dufc (talk • contribs) 02:06, 15 December 2006 (UTC).

Not true. 'The Rain' was originaly Bonehead and Gugisy's band. After firing their lead singer, they got Liam, who changed the name to Oasis. Noel came after Liam begged him to join because their songs were shit. Ponydigger9 23:42, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Yeah Liam got the name from Oasis leisure centre in Swindon —Preceding unsigned comment added by Italian chef2 (talk • contribs) 16:05, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

I've read that if you have bought their DVD you would know that Liam named the band after a bar that his dad met John Lennon from the Beatles in. It was called the OASIS. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.28.231.13 (talk) 12:45, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Johnny Depp

Does anyone feel that Johnny Depp's guest guitar part on "Fade In-Out" is enough to justify a mention under 'Band members over the years'? I mean, it's only the one studio recording (that doesn't really constitute membership), so perhaps normally it wouldn't be appropriate, but as he is a figure of well-known standing himself, it might merit inclusion. My mind isn't made up. Whilst I'm leaning towards leaving it out (the article's already pretty long and it's essentially just a piece of trivia), others might feel otherwise, so I thought I'd bring it up. It is mentioned on Depps' page, if that influences anyone's opinion. Benwilson528 02:06, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

I can't see any reason to consider him a member, it was a one off thing. If we were going to add all of Oasis' guest musicians over the years as bendmembers you'd have to add Paul Weller, Kate Moss, Lisa Moorish, Meg Mathews, even Zak Starkey has proved dubious. These people (with the probably exception of Starkey) never considered themselves "members" of Oasis and niether did anyone in Oasis. It is certainly a significant fact but I think it's mentioned un the article anyway.--Crestville 16:09, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

I agree. I think that if there are other facts like that, put it in a trivia section. I've not fully looked through, so it might already be there. In which case ignore me!Work hard, Play hard, Drink harder 08:54, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Someone added him as a temporary member again so I removed it. He clearly never was a member and only did a guest part for a song. 81.157.241.251 03:17, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Mates, Depp also played guitar on the Fade Away "Warchild Version." Which incidentally also featured Lisa Moorish, to add to the songs Kate Moss/Johnny Depp/Lisa Moorish/Liam Gallagher/Pete Doherty incestuousness. But no, Depp was never "in" Oasis.207.181.9.161 (talk) 23:36, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Talk:Oasis (band)

Why has this paged been moved. There is no reason for it? Where was it discussed?--Play Brian Moore 17:42, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Oasis are NOT from Manchester - FACT!!! They are from a small town called Burnage a few miles from Manchester city centre. -- User: JemmyH . 81.153.9.175

I live a few miles from Bradford City Centre. It's still Bradford. Here's what the Wikipedia page on Burnage has to say: Burnage is a small post-industrial suburb of the City of Manchester, in North West, England. It lies about four miles south of Manchester city centre. Anyway, even if it wasn't, this isn't about where Noel and Liam are from ,it's about where the band are from, and Oasis were formed in Manchaster.--Crestville 14:33, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

The talk page should just be about improving the aspects of the article. Otherwise, oasis have a forum on their official site and there's always MySpace. Otherwise, it's not here or there.

As for Burnage, I know that suburbs in the UK are a bit different than in North America, but it's still the metro area of Manchester, like Black Sabbath being from Aston in the Birmingham area, to put it that way. Manchester will stick out more than Burnage. Burnage must be a small city, since we have a similar situation in Upstate New York.Sposato (talk) 03:44, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Influences

The who is not an iffluence. This is a major insult to the who, so stop putting them in their influences list.

WHY HAVE THE SEX PISTOLS BEEN REMOVED AS AN INFLUENCE ON OASIS? THEY WERE LISTED AS AN INFLUENCE FOR A LARGE PERIOD OF TIME BUT RECENTLY THEY KEEP BEING REMOVED DESPITE MY ATTEMPTS TO KEEP THEM THERE. THIS IS A COMPLETELY IGNORANT VIEW ON OASIS. HERE ARE REASONS WHY THE SEX PISTOLS WERE A MAJOR INFLUENCE ON OASIS:

1) LIAM, ACCORDING TO HIS WIKI PAGE, DESCRIBES HIS VOCAL STYLE AS A CROSS BETWEEN JOHN LENNON AND JOHN LYDON
2) THEIR MYSPACE PAGE, ALTHOUGH IT MAY NOT BE OFFICIAL, LISTS THEIR INFLUENCES AS: "Beatles/Stones/The Who/Stooges/Neil Young/Pistols/Roses/Smiths"
3) IN 'WIBBLING RIVALRY', A RECORDING OF AN INTERVIEW WITH LIAM AND NOEL, AT THE 4-5MIN MARK LIAM CLAIMS THAT THE SEX PISTOLS WERE "THE BEST ROCK N ROLL BAND THAT EVER CAME ABOUT", HE ALSO USES THE SEX PISTOLS AS A REASON TO JUSTIFY HIS BEHAVIOUR
4) http://www.bbc.co.uk/6music/events/selector06/oasis_selections.shtml
5) IN THE DVD 'THERE AND THEN', DURING LIVE FOREVER, PICTURES OF PREVIOUS GREAT ROCK STARS ARE PROJECTED ONTO A SCREEN BEHIND THEM. THE LAST PICTURE IS OF JOHN LENNON, THE ONE BEFORE THIS IS OF THE SEX PISTOLS
6) http://youtube.com/watch?v=tamxb9eij10 IN THIS VIDEO NOEL LISTS HIS 'HEROES' GROWING UP, BOTH JOHN LYDON AND STEVE JONES FROM THE SEX PISTOLS ARE MENTIONED. THERE IS ALSO ANOTHER VIDEO ON YOUTUBE WHERE NOEL DESCRIBES OASIS' RECORDINGS AS EITHER LIKE THE PISTOLS OR THE BEATLES
7) http://youtube.com/watch?v=1PL46gOz4ng IN THIS VID AT ABOUT 3/4 OF THE WAY THROUGH, WE LEARN THAT OASIS ASKED GLEN MATLOCK (THE BASSIST FROM THE SEX PISTOLS) WHETHER HE WOULD WANT TO FILL IN ON BASS WHILE GUIGSY WAS ILL
8) http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ay5NfySke3w - DAVE GAHAN CLAIMS THAT LIAM IS INFLUENCED BY JOHN LYDON
TheBeautifulGame 22:02, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

First, please don't write in capitals. Second, none of these links or arguments are relevant to whether the SP were an influence on them. They may have been of course, but all that these tell us is that Oasis liked the SP, not quite the same thing. --Guinnog 23:00, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

OK THEN PLEASE TELL ME HOW THE KINKS, THE WHO, THE SMITHS, TREX, OR EVEN THEN BEATLES WERE ANYTHING MORE THAN BANDS THAT OASIS JUST 'LIKED'... IF YOU ARE IN A BAND AND YOUR LEAD SINGER SAYS THAT HE IS TRYING TO SING LIKE A CROSS BETWEEN TWO OTHER SINGERS HOW CAN U SAY THAT HE/SHE IS NOT INFLUENCED BY THEM? FURTHERMORE IF YOUR LEAD GUITARIST AND MAIN SONGWRITER DESCRIBES HIS OWN SONGS AS A CROSS BETWEEN TWO OTHER BANDS, HOW IS HE NOT INFLUENCED BY THEM? IF YOU HAVE A CHILDHOOD HERO, HOW ARE YOU NOT INFLUENCED BY THEM? YOUR HERO COULD BE ALI, MICHAEL JORDAN, ELVIS, MARLON BRANDO, OR ABSOLUTELY ANYONE - ASPECTS OF THEIR BEHAVIOUR WILL STILL RUB OFF ONTO YOU TheBeautifulGame 00:11, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Again, please don't write in capitals. To answer your question, the Beatles, the Who, and the Kinks' influences can be heard in pretty much all of Oasis' albums. Don't tell me you haven't listened to (What's the Story) Morning Glory? Second, name one Oasis song that sounds like "God Save the Queen" or "Bodies". And provide a reference so you can put it in the article without being shouted down. None of your current references provide that. Rather, they only show that Oasis likes, even admires the Sex Pistols ErleGrey 00:33, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

- There is a more punkish sound on Bring It On Down, Headshrinker and Fade Away.

However, a band need not necessarily sound like another to be influenced by it. Few would doubt The Smiths' influence on Oasis, but the two bands' sounds are very different. Ultimately, The Sex Pistols were an influence on Oasis, though possibly not as big an influence as The Beatles, Smiths, Roses etc.

We would need a reference saying something like "According to NME journalist Jake Stevens, Oasis 'are influenced by' the SexPistols" with a link or a verifiable reference in a book or a magazine. Not Usenet, messageboards or youtube either. And can you please stop SHOUTING! Erle, could all those bands currently listed withstand similar scrutiny? Not saying they couldn't, just asking... --Guinnog 01:48, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

According to John Harris' Britpop book, the band's main influences are the Beatles and the Stone Roses. Sure they listen to and draw influence from other bands, but those are the two main ones. WesleyDodds 11:56, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

There are a few songs that sound a bit sex-pistoly: Rock N' Roll Star, I Can See A Liar, Be Here Now etc. I am certain they are an influence on Oasis. And Liam's voice has definate Lydon-inspiration. On the definitely maybe DVD Liam says something along the lines of "If I sound like a cross between Lydon and Lennon, I'll be happy" - is that a good enough source? There's bound to be something out there comparing to two, I'll have a rummage. Also, this probably won't do, but it made me laugh so I thought I'd share it: "The Pistols were the boys really. You could put together a ‘best of’ from the Clash’s five albums and it wouldn’t be worth a wank next to Never Mind The Bollocks".Noel Gallagher: Oasis (Hot Press April 1996)--Crestville 16:19, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

I've heard Noel and Liam Gallagher state the Sex Pistols as big influences a million times, they should definately be listed as an influence. It's not just the sound, which can be heard in songs such as Fade Away, Headshrinker, I Can See a Liar (etc.) but the whole attitude of the band, as much as anything which inspired them. Rico Ricardo 23:45, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

I say remove the whole section, because it's very vague, and this whole argument is stupid.

By the way, isn't THE LA'S a major influence? Aren't they, arguably, The ones that first gave the world Britpop? Noel does cite it as an influence anyways

The La's were a major influence on Oasis. Liam stated in an interview with Belgian rock journalist Serge Simonart that "imitating Lee Mavers had been a ritual for a long time before going out", and Noel compares the influence Oasis had on bands such as Franz Ferdinand, The Libertines, Kassabian, etc. to the influence bands such as The Stone Roses and The La's had on them, so yes, I suppose they are a major influence. Noel said that during the recordings of "Cigarettes and Alcohol" he was annoying Liam to "make him sound like himself, rather than a good imitation of Lee Mavers or John Lennon" --91.178.184.34 (talk) 14:01, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Lord Don't Slow Me Down

Its going to be releaed in the summer 2007 Bobo6balde66 23:00, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Do you have a source for that? Also, do you mean the film, on DVD or the song as an EP? The latter would certainly merit inclusion on this page whereas the former should probably just go on the discography and Lord Don't Slow Me Down--Crestville 15:49, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

The DVD will be released in the summer according to the NME Oasis edition (p.20, section 'L').--Play Brian Moore 18:03, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm cleaning up The Beatles' influence on popular culture

There is a long section about Oasis being Beatleseque, but it's too detailed for the article mentioned above. I'd like to include this section here instead. I'm not very familiar with Oasis though. It might also need some minor(?) cleanup. If one of you would like to work it into here (with the section headline "Beatles Influence" maybe), I'd appreciate it. Or please state otherwise why it should not be included here, and I'll see how much of this information can/should be saved in another article. – sgeureka ^t•c 17:41, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Oasis have often cited the Beatles as a strong influence.

Oasis have covered numerous Beatles songs during their career. The first was a live performance of "I Am The Walrus", first released on the 1994 single "Cigarettes & Alcohol" and later released on the B-sides compilation The Masterplan. Since then they have released studio covers of "You've Got to Hide Your Love Away" and "Helter Skelter". Noel Gallagher himself performed "Help!" on some of his 1998 acoustic sets.

Noel has also been involved in a number of collaborations of Beatles songs, beginning in September 1995 with "Come Together". The song was recorded with Paul McCartney and Paul Weller under the guise of the Smokin' Mojo Filters and was recorded at Abbey Road and released on the HELP album. In May 1996, Noel and his brother Liam were guests on a live cover of "Day Tripper" at an Ocean Colour Scene" gig. In 1999, he provided acoustic guitar for Claire Martin's cover of "Help!". In September 2000, he sang and played guitar on performances of "Tomorrow Never Knows" (with Johnny Marr and Cornershop) and "All You Need Is Love" (as part of a group finale) as well as backing vocals and acoustic guitar on a cover of "I'm Only Sleeping" with the Stereophonics. These three performances were part of a John Lennon tribute show, performed at George Martin's AIR Studios, and broadcast on Channel 4 in September 2000. In August 2002, he was recorded singing parts of "Eleanor Rigby" and "Strawberry Fields Forever" during a soundcheck for a live performance on Late Night with Conan O'Brien show. Noel also performed "Strawberry Fields Forever" on November 2006, with Gem Archer and Terry Kirkbride, for a charity gig at Koko in Camden, London.

Oasis have also occasionally slipped in small parts of Beatles songs in live performances. They have regularly ended live performances of "Whatever" by singing parts of "Octopus's Garden". Bits of "Got To Get You Into My Life" found their way into a couple of October 1995 performances of "Round Are Way". A riff based around the vocal melody of "Tomorrow Never Knows" was integrated into an extended intro for live performances of "Cigarettes & Alcohol" in 2000 and 2001.

Their current semi-official drummer Zak Starkey is the son of Ringo Starr. Starkey joined in early 2004 after Oasis longtime drummer Alan White left the band. He performed on their latest album Don't Believe the Truth (2005) and subsequent 2005-2006 world tour, but he wasn't signed as a new bandmember and didn't participate in interviews and photoshots.

Noel Gallagher sat on a panel in 2004 to decide on the most influential of pop artists to be included in the UK Music Hall of Fame, and was quoted as saying "They [the Beatles] inspire me more now than they did when I was a kid and are still the greatest."

The end of the song "She's Electric" (What's the Story Morning Glory-Oasis) is the same progression of the transition from "Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band" into "With a Little Help From My Friends" (Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band-The Beatles).

To EarleGrey and all the "cleaners"

Listen dudes, I appreciate your edits. They are fantastic. But please bear in mind that you are not the only editors. The band started recording the would-be-DBtT in mid-to-late December 2003. In January 8, 2004, Alan White's departure was fully confirmed by the press. That's why I am changing it persistently to December and I just don't know why you want to revert it so bad badly.

Also it is too early to speculate what the new album will sound like. The band haven't started recording sessions. I remember back in the begining of the sessions that they were trying to emulate SotSoG or BHN, but it didn't turn quite like that. Let's just wait for more upcoming info and then will be able put some relevant information and references. This is mere speculation by Noel. Of course, he likes to boast. I just prefer to wait and see what happens than putting some information with little relevance at this point.

This is for everybody who likes to do "cleanups" and reverts and puts information that is with little or no relevance to the artcle. Bear in mind that whatever edits I make, I don't make them to see them reverted by some knuckleheads. Sorry for the jab, but grow up boys and start acting reasonably. It is kinda frustrating to see it happen everytime and explaining every time what is the deal and you boys with little or no regard - just reverting it.

Next time you revert it - just write down why you are reverting it. Because, if you revert it with little or no reason - I will revert it back. Suit yourself.

Regards: Painbearer 23:52, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Genre

No discussion about genre?

I'm not so sure about the Psychedelic Rock tag personally. GBobly 17:06, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

They are not Psychedelic Rock! ≈ Seraph 14:36, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

They once said that Britpop was a dirty word, which may allude to their war with Blur. I don't fully believe in genres myself.Sposato (talk) 03:47, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

I think songs such as Champagne Supernova definitely show a Psychedelic rock influence. "Britpop" is not a real genre but rather a movement. I suppose not every band that was tagged as "britpop" during their career agrees with the tag.--91.178.184.34 (talk) 14:01, 1 September 2008 (UTC)