Talk:Niya (mythology)

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Did you know... that Niya was the Polish god of the underworld?

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Did you know nomination[edit]

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 19:45, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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... that Niya was the Polish god of the underworld? Source: Aleksander Gieysztor (2006). "So both Długosz's information and his interpretation of Nia by analogy with Pluto deserve trust."
- ALT1:... that Polish god Niya had temple in Gniezno? Source: Paweł Szczepanik (2018) "Therefore, the largest temple of the Polans would be a place where the souls of their dead would rest, creating a >> kind of reservoir of souls awaiting reincarnation through the fire of the family-territorial community <<, and the Lech Hill itself would create the original central place centered around the cult of Niya"

Created by Sławobóg (talk). Self-nominated at 14:33, 22 April 2020 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook eligibility:

Cited: - Offline/paywalled citation accepted in good faith
Interesting:
Other problems: - y ~~i like the first hook, but it needs to be "that Niya was the Polish god of the underworld?" with 2x "the" added~~

QPQ: - not required
Overall: ~~hook needs adjusting~~, ~~qpq needs clarifying~~, ~~article needs some work~~ Mujinga (talk) 00:00, 8 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

- Looking again at the article as a whole it could do with a copyedit generally. The "Russian information" section is not referenced and there's a citation needed tag in "Etymology". In the "Sources" section everything is cited to Kolankiewicz, Leszek (1999) which I do not have access to, but the quotes themselves are attributed to different people in the text. Mujinga (talk) 08:45, 8 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  - also seems like a first DYK nomination so QPQ is not required (after five noms, the nominator is required to review another DYK submission) Mujinga (talk) 08:56, 8 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    - Fixed hook, added reference for Trubachyov and Russian information. Added few more references in sources section but not for all though. Kolankiewicz book is free to read here. Also added two more sources I missed before. Sławobóg (talk) 20:48, 8 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Sławobóg thanks for the additions, the Russian information still has an uncited paragraph, which also includes the claim "probably copied" which reads to me like original research. I said "article needs some work" not realising this was your first article created on EN, so to expand on that, for example the "sources" section needs work, quote frame is over used and it really is little more than a collection of quotes right now, some or all of these can be paraphrased. If you need help you could make a request at Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors. Mujinga (talk) 18:58, 9 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, I changed sources a little for now. Problem is that every interpretation of scholars about Niya is very short. I'll get one more book to find more informations. When it comes to Russian information I can't prove that he copied info about Niya from Polish sources but Niya was literally never mentioned anywhere else. This is actually minor information I found on Russian Wikipedia and I bet no scholar referred to him. Sławobóg (talk) 19:22, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

hiya the article is looking better but still needs some work. as you no doubt know, on wikipedia you need to be able to back up assertions with reliable sources when they are queried, so if you can't prove the russian information then it probably should go. Mujinga (talk) 15:12, 6 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I updated article with big interpretation and updated begining. I don't think I can make that article better now. Since I can't prove copy from Polish sources I removed Russian information. I was thinking about moving it to "Niya in culutre" category but I can't find more examples. Sławobóg (talk) 18:28, 11 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Nice one the article is in better shape now and I made some copy edits. Signing this off as ready for DYK (although I would advise to be prepared for more copy edits before publication) Mujinga (talk) 22:44, 11 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I came by to promote this, but if you are saying that Niya was the Polish god of the underworld, why doesn't it state this in the lead, instead of whose exact functions are unknown? Do you mean that some researchers consider Niya the equivalent of Hades, the god of the underworld, or some other hook wording? Yoninah (talk) 21:23, 13 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hey. It it stated by "Polish or more broadly – a Lechitic chthonic deity". By this I mean that we know he is god of underworld but we don't know for sure anything else. Sławobóg (talk) 07:51, 14 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Sławobóg: OK. So we need an inline cite for this hook fact at the end of the sentence in which the fact is mentioned, in this case in the lead. Yoninah (talk) 11:26, 14 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ok I updated the lead (I hope it's ok now). I also updated interpretations. Sławobóg (talk) 12:53, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Sławobóg: Your new addition needs copyediting for English grammar. The first sentence is run-on and doesn't make sense at all. Yoninah (talk) 13:08, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I hope it is ok now. Sławobóg (talk) 17:25, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Sławobóg: Well, I edited that paragraph for you. But now I wonder what it is doing there. It has nothing to do with Niya and is therefore completely WP:UNDUE. It belongs in a different article about gods of the underworld, I think. Yoninah (talk) 17:35, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for edits! I wasn't sure about writting that but since Veles was never confirmed to be worshipped in Poland it could be taken as information about Niya or confirmation about ancient origin of the god. Sławobóg (talk) 19:33, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I deleted it from the article because it is off-topic and WP:UNDUE. If you ever write an article about Polish gods of the underworld you could add it to that. Restoring tick (for offline source) for ALT0 per Mujinga's review. Yoninah (talk) 19:43, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The Proto-Indo-European goddess[edit]

According to Krzysztof Witczak, Niya is the Slavic equivalent of the Greek goddess Enyo. Both were supposed to be the remains of the proto-Indo-European goddess, "the perpetrator, the performer of disappearance, i.e. drying, disappearing",[6] and reconstructed the name of this goddess as *Nūyā.

Is this about a singular important or monotheistic goddess in the vein of Gimbutas' theory of the Old European matriarchate? If yes it would be good to link to an article about her. If it's about one goddess in the pantheon it should be "a proto-Indo-European goddess". 93.136.75.126 (talk) 14:52, 20 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

You are right. Thanks. Sławobóg (talk) 16:08, 20 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The article is really interesting[edit]

Noraskulk (talk) 09:55, 15 March 2021 (UTC).[reply]