Talk:Ngari Capes Marine Park

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state jurisdiction waters - sentence doesn't parse[edit]

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I can't parse this sentence:

It is the state jurisdiction waters (on the coastline) equivalent of the South-west Corner Commonwealth Marine Reserve, which exists within Commonwealth jurisdiction, further out on the continental shelf.

  • Is there a word missing?
  • Should it be "It is the state jurisdiction waters' (on the coastline) equivalent ..."?
    Should that added apostrophe be before or after the "s" - how many waters are there, one more than one?

Mitch Ames (talk) 14:38, 10 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

If you can get your head around some of thethe 3 dimensional zones of water off the coast of australia, I suspect you will be able to do more than parse sentences...

however to answer the question - http://www.environment.gov.au/system/files/resources/dd0867cf-d8be-40f0-b9e5-7cfa65d6e6b5/files/imcra3-3.pdf the image on page 10 is the starting point, if you really wanted it.

  • state jurisdiction - ie state waters go out 3 nautical miles (ie approx .5 km offshore)
  • territorial sea - 12 nautical miles
  • contiguous zone - 24 nautical miles

and this extends to the 200 nautical mile economic zone that all good continental based countries insist on ( see current news on the North Pole for when it goes a bit further )

Look carefully at the map which has Limit of Coastal Waters of the State of WA on _ NGARI CAPES MARINE PARK www.dec.wa.gov.au/.../7038-zoning-map-proposed-ngari-capes-marine-...‎pdf map

state jurisdiction is to 3 nautical miles - check http://www.metric-conversions.org/length/uk-nautical-miles-to-kilometers-table.htm - then check the dec pdf and the limit of 5 kms distance fits well

after that it is into commonwealth waters..

hope that give enough headache free over detailed information for the question satusuro 14:59, 10 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

or if you want the easier one - it is at the base of the article anyway... http://www.ga.gov.au/marine/jurisdiction/maritime-boundary-definitions.html it is all there, what you need satusuro 15:03, 10 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I think "state jurisdiction waters (on the coastline)" is an adjectival modifier for "equivalent" (as a noun). I still don't understand it, but at least the grammar's OK :-) Mitch Ames (talk) 02:06, 15 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

... surfing zones designated as special purpose zones ?[edit]

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Note 1 says:

There are at least nine "surfing" zones designated as special purpose zones.

citing the map as a reference. The wording of that note implies that some surfing zones might be designated as something other than special purpose. However on that map all surfing zones are "special purposes", "surfing" apparently being one of the several "special purposes" available. (The version of the article before I split Notes and References has the same issue, so I don't think I broke something with that split.) Possibly the note should be reworded as:

There are at least nine special purpose zones designated as "surfing" zones.

But perhaps it would be better to delete the note entirely and just say in the body text:

It has a significant number of sanctuary and special usage zones, including a number of surfing zones.

Mitch Ames (talk) 02:35, 15 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The nub of the matter is as to whether the zones are final attributes of the declared park, or wherther there will be ramifications from the imminent federal marine reserve management plans changes that might affect state designated marine reserves, or not..

as it stands in 2013 there are 9 specific surfing zones - 12 sanctuary zones - 2 shore based activity zones - 2 recreation zones - the last item mentioned above is probably the best fit for the moment satusuro 02:48, 15 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Mitch Ames (talk) 03:22, 15 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Even better... Mitch Ames (talk) 03:30, 15 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Reference for Swan dive wreck[edit]

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Could somebody who has access to such a reference please provide one for

The dive wreck of HMAS Swan is located within the park waters, between Dunsborough and Cape Naturaliste

I know that the linked article says it is so, but Wikipedia is not a reference for itself. I'd copy the ref from the Swan article, but I don't have access to that ref and generally one ought not cite a source unless you've seen it for yourself. Mitch Ames (talk) 13:42, 27 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

very wise - your choice:-

hopefully one of these might be of interest and or use satusuro 16:11, 27 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ref added. I was surprised how many websites told me how deep the water (where the wreck lies) was, but didn't tell me how far out it was (which I need to know to verify that it is within the marine park). Mitch Ames (talk) 07:21, 28 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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