Talk:Neuroscience and race

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Arbitration Ruling on Race and Intelligence

The article Neuroscience and race, along with other articles relating to the area of conflict (namely, the intersection of race/ethnicity and human abilities and behaviour, broadly construed), is currently subject to active arbitration remedies, described in a 2010 Arbitration Committee case where the articulated principles included:

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This article was the subject of an educational assignment in 2012. Further details are available here.

Comment[edit]

Do you really think that it is a good idea to take a highly controversial subject like this as a class assignment??? Note that this topic is subject to arbcom restrictions. In addition, there is of course not much solid science on this subject, even though the article as it currently stands (more an essay than an encyclopedic article) presents a lot of stuff as fact. Of I were you, I'd blank this page and put a "db-G7" tag on it, and start working on something more worth your efforts. --Randykitty (talk) 10:07, 29 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure who you're talking to. Biosthmors (talk) 10:29, 29 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

There are only two editors here, your student, Mtillman6, and yourself. So the above is directed to both of you. --Randykitty (talk) 11:03, 29 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Well Wikipedia is the place anyone can edit, so alternate language seems more appropriate. For example, "I'm not sure if this article is something that belongs in Wikipedia." Free free to tag it as essay like. Biosthmors (talk) 12:20, 29 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't say the topic doesn't belong here. But I don't think it's a good idea to throw a newbie student into a contentious and controversial thing like this. And the article at this moment presents as plain fact lots of stuff that is based on primary sources. I'm sorry, but this looks like another one of those classroom disasters that we have to deal with from time to time. --Randykitty (talk) 12:28, 29 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Well, for what it's worth, it was their idea to work on the topic, and their grade for the class was dependent upon what this article looked like about 12 and a half hours ago, so they might not make another edit to Wikipedia. But of course, I hope they do (and even take this article up to good status or something). I didn't know about the extra arb warnings on the topic, and I'm sure they didn't either. It very well could be in need of rewriting. WP:SCIRS does allow for some primary source use. WP:MEDREV is more strict. I got involved with the class to mitigate such issues, but I didn't get to communicate with this class/professor until after the semester started. So here's to a better Fall 2013! =) Biosthmors (talk) 12:35, 29 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Randykitty, ok, its clear for everyone that you don't like Science and the facts only she can bring us. You are an absolute obscurantist. Science progresses despite your torches.

Poorly written, strange article[edit]

This article, last meaningfully updated in 2012, reads like an undergraduate essay. It is strange. Hopefully someone can put work into cleaning it up and reducing the focus on cross-race facial recognition - the article's name is "Neuroscience and Race", not "Cross-race Facial Recognition". 82.3.251.137 (talk) 12:07, 8 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]