Talk:National Register of Historic Places listings in Manhattan from 59th to 110th Streets

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Neighborhoods[edit]

It would be useful to categorize the places by neighborhood, using the column now showing "New York" for all of them. Does List of Manhattan neighborhoods provides an adequate partition of the areas within Manhattan from 59th to 110th Streets? doncram (talk) 20:47, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This article easily could be split East (Upper East Side) and West (Upper West Side). Likewise the 14th to 59th article could be split East Side and and West Side. Both articles are WAY too big. With photos these article should consider topping out at around 50 listings per page. Americasroof (talk) 20:39, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

See Talk:List of New York City Designated Landmarks in Manhattan for a similar discussion. Unfortunately, warm Springtime weather has arrived, bringing with it many photos (with geocoding). They use up all the time I would have put into implementing the scheme of sorting by New York City Community Boards. Jim.henderson (talk) 16:53, 17 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Above[edit]

What is "above" intended to mean, in this new article name National Register of Historic Places listings in Manhattan above 59th to 110th Streets? Jim.henderson (talk) 03:56, 30 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

100% photos[edit]

unless I missed one... Americasroof and JimHenderson deserve most of the credit dm (talk) 05:17, 18 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

And now he's got a folding bicycle, so he can pedal across the park and use midsummer evening twilight or morning daylight, with the sun in good position, to reshoot places like commons:File:Holy Trinity CoE E88 jeh.JPG that look bad at midday. Jim.henderson (talk) 15:13, 24 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Rename list[edit]

Shouldn't this be National Register of Historic Places listings in Manhattan from 59th to 110th Streets ("above"->"from", currently a redirect), to match the National Register of Historic Places listings in Manhattan from 14th to 59th Streets? I think the "above" is only necessary for National Register of Historic Places listings in Manhattan above 110th Street.--Dudemanfellabra (talk) 22:18, 23 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Or, while we we're at it, copy the contents to two correctly named article, one each for East and West Sides and, when this more ambitious undertaking is complete, empty and redirect this one. Jim.henderson (talk) 22:27, 23 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Definitely agree with "from" instead of "above." Not so sure an east-west split is needed, certainly not for a pure "the list is too big" reason. There are lots of 100-150 site lists, and I'd say start thinking about splitting at 120, certainly split over 150. Other than pure size, is there a reason for splitting? Smallbones (talk) 00:28, 24 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I seem to remember the decision to split to be less about size than about the use of the {{Coord}} template. When it is transcluded many times on the same page, load times increase. Not sure why that happens, or if it has been fixed by now, but I'm pretty sure that was the main reason for splitting lists.

I agree with Smallbones that this list shouldn't be further split up, though. The page loads fairly quickly for its size (especially with all the pictures), so a further split is not really necessary IMO.--Dudemanfellabra (talk) 02:28, 24 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Btw, I didn't think to check the history of that redirect before, but I just did. Seems this list was originally at that location, but on October 6, 2008, User:Doncram moved it with the edit summary, "suggest that 59th street itself is covered in other article". He has a point.. Maybe we should move this to National Register of Historic Places listings in Manhattan from 60th to 110th Streets instead?--Dudemanfellabra (talk) 02:33, 24 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Well, we can split a lot of hairs here if we really wanted, so I thought it best to check the borders of all Manhattan articles to see if there are really any issues. Quickly looking at coords in Bing - very few possible issues. Somebody must have selected the streets to be without sites! One definite cross-dividing line site is Riverside Park (both sides of 110th). Columbus Circle subway and the adjacent Time Warner Building might be questioned which side of 59th. 2 pretty clear mistakes: Queensborough Bridge should be north of 59th, Immaculate Conception Church should be south of 14th (unless a miracle happened). All in all, I'd say check the questionable ones out (Jim has the local knowledge) and put them in both divisions if necessary. Correct the 2 mistakes if they are as obvious as I think. And put the dividing line in the middle of the street - on the north side of the street (odd numbers?) in the northern division, on the south side of the street (even numbers?) in the southern division. Smallbones (talk) 03:59, 24 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, well then why not leave the titles the way they are (except the "above"->"from" change) and just use a Duplicates row in the table in the National Register of Historic Places listings in New York County, New York article, like those used on many state lists for sites spanning two or more counties (e.g. National Register of Historic Places listings in Pennsylvania), along with a similar footnote. Any site that is spans or is located on 14th, 59th, or 110th should be listed in both of the relevant articles and tallied as a duplicate. Sound good to you?--Dudemanfellabra (talk) 06:23, 24 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Coincidentally yesterday was my first day on the bike after a month off for an injury. After various photography in central, eastern and northern Brooklyn and LIC I came off the North Outer Roadway of the 59th Street Bridge and descended onto East 60th St. Yes, the bridge lies between that and 59th but it would be closer to 60th were it not for the fact that 59th was widened northward to become something like a plaza leaving scant space between that and the stone foundation of the bridge. Today I walked past Time Warner Center on my way to the grocery, and indeed the Coliseum site that now houses it was expanded by suppressing a block of 59th. Despite its cutting TWC I like 59th for the dividing line because that's where the Avenues on my West Side change from numbers to names and where house numbering restarts.

I won't argue this point or the one about splitting the Midtown and circum Central Park list articles between East and West, because summer weather and substantial physical recovery have struck, sending me out on the road, burning up the time that in other times of year could go for arguing with intelligent, honorable people who are slightly mistaken on some little point of Wikiness. I must concentrate on pictures. Tentative weekend targets are events at Manhasset, New York and Stapleton, Staten Island, places which are also perhaps a bit short of quotidien photos. More places during the week, and next weekend will be both "Jersey City Ward Tour" going all over that town and "Tour de Brooklyn" from Brooklyn Museum to Canarsie Pier and back again. Life is hard when we try to gobble up every bit of fun that we find on the plate. Jim.henderson (talk) 17:23, 27 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

items to verify covered[edit]

The following items were itemized in editor note at the bottom of article, from when I assisted in splitting this article out from bigger one. Editor Dmadeo had started the division of Manhattan NRHP listings into this and other list-articles divided by major streets. These notes reflect questions I had back then, about whether various items in the previous version were actually NRHP-listed places and about where some should be located. Seems relevant to review them here, now. --do ncr am 23:01, 24 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

"Items to verify covered and to check for disambig links and other info to merge into table"
Districts

West 80th-81st Streets Historic District, part of Riverside Park? Not a NRHP in that name?
West 105th Street Historic District part of Riverside Park? not a NRHP in that name?
First Avenue Estate Historic District 401 E 64th. Not in table above, is this an NRHP?

Buildings

59th Street–Columbus Circle Subway Station (IRT) 59th and Bway. Not in table above, is this covered in 14th-59th St. list? Should it, and other 59th St. entries, be in both? Or clarify titles.
International House (New York) 500 Riverside Dr. Not in table above, is this in 110th+ NRHP list instead?
New York Central Railroad 69th Street Transfer Bridge 69th St and Hudson River. Not in table generated, why? Is this NRHP?
Queensboro Bridge aka 59th st Bridge 59th St. Not in table, is this in 14th-59th page?

Shelton Hotel[edit]

[1] Ought there be an article? Jim.henderson (talk) 14:45, 9 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]