Talk:National Council of Young Israel

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Source[edit]

My source for this info is the history page on the website of the org. (My own summary and re-write.) I created the page because Young Israel was referenced on the Richard H. Schwartz page I was upgrading. I know little else about this group -- if you do, please expand this stub. Rooster613 19:51, 2 October 2005 (UTC)Rooster613[reply]

I added the stub marker after reading the article and your comment. I hope to edit further, though no guarantee. Reuvenk 05:34, 12 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

WikiProject Orthodox Judaism[edit]

Welcome Wikipedia:WikiProject Orthodox Judaism. Please join if you are interested. Thank you. IZAK 09:03, 20 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sources[edit]

This has turned into a very strange article. It has great sources, but it doesn't use them.

The Pool in the Shul would probably be a great source for Young Israel's early implementation of the community synagogue concept, ironically an idea often associated with Mordecai Kaplan (see below). But it is not used. I cannot get to the book (I now live in Israel), but I know there was a whole chapter in there.

Similarly, the book about Mordecai Kaplan mentioned at the end would be a good source for the actual role of Mordecai Kaplan in the early days of Young Israel. (He gave a speech, which was not well received, and some general support. It appears he spoke regularly.) But instead we get a quote from a web page.

Inspecting the web page, we see that the source is another web page, from which the article appears to have been copied verbatim, except for the part about Young Israel, which has no source at all, and alleges a cover-up.

Even the Forward article, which appears to have been placed there to smear the organization, has information about the accomplishments of Young Israel, which is not in the acticle.

One reason Mordecai Kaplan could not have founded Young Israel with Professor Friedlander, is that he didn't found it either. What Professor Friedlander did, among many other things, we to unite the two Young Israel organizations. Ironically, one of the actual founders was a tradition-minded Reform Rabbi named Judah Magnes. (Source: YIS Reporter, 50th anniversary edition, Young Israel Synagogue of Manhattan, 1962.)

By the way, I question the removal of the constitution. The Young Israel constitution is a pioneering document with many original ideas. I recall when my synagogue in Baltimore was rewriting its constitution, a clause in the Young Israel Constitution was suggested.

Michael Zvi Krumbein (talk) 07:12, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

For Kaplan and Friedlander founding Young Israel, see
etc. There are many reliable sources that attest to this. Jayjg (talk) 17:12, 24 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I started looking at your sources, and I am quite dubious. Tell me, and I have asked this before, what is your methadology? Did you see these books, or did you just use a search engine (which?)? And more to the point, did you use a similar process to check the "Keonigsberg/Magnes theory" used by my source (above), the NCYI site, "the Shul with a Pool", and I assume (I am trying to get a copy) Shuli Berger's paper?Mzk1 (talk) 21:31, 28 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, I don't understand why you are "dubious", and what difference it makes where they came from. If you have reliable sources that present a different view, please present them. Jayjg (talk) 02:10, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Just to note re "Keonigsberg/Magnes theory," the name is spelled beginning "Koe" not "Keo." The article now includes some sources that credit earliest work to Koenigsberg and others, with Magnes as an early advisor. See also an obituary for Benjamin Koenigsberg and An Inventory to the Benjamin and Pearl Koenigsberg Papers, 1890-1998 at Yeshiva University. Larry Koenigsberg (talk) 23:47, 20 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Conservative Judaism Does Not Come From Orthodox Judaism[edit]

Under Section "Seminar" there is prose that reads "...this was the time period when conservative Judaism movement was just starting to break away from orthodoxy..."

This is false. Conservatism is a metastasis from Reform; ergo the name: proponents wanted to "conserve" more than Reform was doing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.20.84.59 (talk • contribs)

Constitution[edit]

The ShulCloud "Ratified October 6, 1997/Amended May 21, 2013" constitution is not what was in effect before, e.g. in the days of conventions at the late upstate Homowack and, even further back, the Pineview Hotel.

Two basic points are Sabbath-observing officers (there's "All Officers of the Women's League shall be Sabbath Observers" and "All elected officers of the Intercollegiate Council shall be Sabbath observers") and that each branch itself must have a constitution. The 1997 constitution did not break new ground in these areas.

Meeting participation of delegates by phone is new. Pi314m (talk) 04:16, 6 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yiddish?[edit]

I propose to replace all instances of "shul" in the article with "synagogue" which already appears multiple times in the article. I see no reason why a Yiddish term should be used in an article in an English-language encyclopedia when there is a perfectly adequate English word meaning the same thing, setting aside, of course, that words in different languages may have different overtones (as, for example, the same pitch on a clarinet and a violin). Larry Koenigsberg (talk) 02:54, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I retract this proposal. Because Yiddish is in such common use in the subject population, I felt it was better just to indicate that shul is Yiddish for synagogue. I note that many of the article's references use the "shul." Larry Koenigsberg (talk) 02:54, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hanging adjective[edit]

Latest change by @Nuts240 cuts out most of a sentence, leaving only "The current" to end the paragraph. Revert, or strike "The current", or ??? -- Larry Koenigsberg (talk) 05:54, 9 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed: the current rabbi, cited. Larry Koenigsberg (talk) 05:26, 15 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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