Talk:National Bank of the Republic of Abkhazia

Central Bank?

A central bank, by definition, has a "primary responsibility to maintain the stability of the national currency". I do no see how any bank in Abkhazia can regulate their national currency since they do not have any, and use the Russian ruble instead. And even if they do declare the ruble to be their national currency they cannot regulate it in any way since it is a responsibility of the Central Bank of Russia. Therefore it cannot possibly be called a "central bank", and categorized as such (PaC (talk) 21:02, 6 April 2008 (UTC))

Central bank does not give as a definition 'regulating the national currency'. It rather says that a central bank is the entity responsible for monetary policy, clearly that's what the National Bank of the Republic of Abkhazia is. Maintaining the stability of the national currency is a primary responsibility, but of course only provided there is a national currency. To see that Wikipedia practice doesn't require there to be a national currency, see Central Bank of Montenegro, or any of the Euro-zone central banks for that matter.sephia karta 14:23, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

“ Its primary responsibility is to maintain the stability of the national currency and money supply, but more active duties include controlling subsidized-loan interest rates, and acting as a "bailout" lender of last resort to the banking sector during times of financial crisis (private banks often being integral to the national financial system). It may also have supervisory powers, to ensure that banks and other financial institutions do not behave recklessly or fraudulently. ”

What other category would you like to put it in? Alæxis_¿question? 14:47, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Well which category would you put National bank of Chechnya in? Just because it does not fit other categories, does not mean you need to put it in this one. It's misleading. Once Abkhazia gets its currency, then it will be an appropriate name. Otherwise the bank fails to perform the primary responsibility of any central bank. They do not even call themselves a central bank do they? Why should we?(PaC (talk) 18:50, 7 April 2008 (UTC))

This just fresh in: Civil.ge refers to the entity under discussion as 'central bank'. [1].sephia karta 15:10, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

I am sorry Sephia, but your interpretations are just your original research and very stretched at that. Especially this passage: "...provided there is a national currency." That is just your own pure invention. We have a clear definition about a primary responsibility of a central bank: regulation of a national currency. Abkhazia has no national currency. Therefore it can not have a central bank in the strict sense. This bank clearly acts as one of the regional banks of Russia like National Bank of the Chechnya. And Sephia, 1) "Civil.ge" is barely a reliable source on this issue, especially when it just mentions it in passing. These are journalists not economists - most people do not know what the central bank means. 2)They actually quote "Kommersant". 3) How do you even know they are referring to this bank? 4) Does the bank itself even refers to itself as a "central bank"?(PaC (talk) 18:33, 7 April 2008 (UTC))

You formulate a definition of central bank and then use it to say that this bank is not a central bank, that is OR, thus not acceptable. Plus you neatly sidestep the glaring presence of central banks in countries without their own currency (like, all of the Euro-zone). I'm trying very hard here not to assume bad faith. sephia karta 20:48, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

I do not think you are trying hard enough. Show me where National Bank of Abkhazia even refers to itself as a central bank? (PaC (talk) 21:36, 7 April 2008 (UTC))

infobox

I meant that it's written nowhere in the infobox that it's a central bank. A reader cannot see how this infobox is called.

Actually I'm not insisting on the infobox. Please incorporate all the information from the infobox to the article itself if you are going to delete it again. Alæxis_¿question? 17:39, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Alex do you not see that the infobox generates the line "Central Bank of Republic of Abkhazia"? This is what the reader sees. (Or is it just in my browser?)(PaC (talk) 20:59, 12 April 2008 (UTC))

Oops, sorry, I haven't noticed it. Could you add the info that was in the infobox to the article? Alæxis_¿question? 05:45, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

The article is a mere translation of the Bank's self-description. It should include the info on the organization's actual status and the position of Georgia's fiscal authorities.--Kober^Talk 17:50, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Status

Unless anyone objects, I'm going to add the Central banks category, and add to the infobox that it is the central bank of Abkhazia, because that's what it is. sephia karta | di mi 15:58, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

I think the arguments against such addition have already been presented here. --Kober^Talk 16:10, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

I know we had this past discussion. The reason why I am going back to it is that it was not clear to me then (nor is it now) what the arguments against are. Do you seriously doubt that this bank acts as the central bank for Abkhazia? National bank is a common way of naming your central bank, like in the case of the National Bank of Georgia. Since you seem to be convinced of the arguments against, could you please explain them to me? sephia karta | di mi 17:31, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Ich frage mich und den/die AutorIn, wer diesen Artikel braucht? Wenn die Autoren dieses Artikels zu Wikipedia beitragen wollen, schade, weil der zu früh veraltet wird. Wenn sie aber für die Finanzen und Bankwesen echt interessiert sind, besonders schade, weil sie ihre Aufmerksamkeit auf solche Kleinigkeiten richten.--Serafita (talk) 19:41, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Because what ages too fast? And no, I have no particular interest in finance or banking. sephia karta | di mi 19:48, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Man merkt schon. Wenn man trotzdem über Bankwesen schreiben will dann vielleicht über Deustche Bank oder aber über Sparkasse in Deutschland schreiben? --Serafita (talk) 21:01, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

I can only assume these banks already have extensive articles. (And as I said, I'm not particularily interested in banking.) What is your point? sephia karta | di mi 21:31, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

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