Talk:Meshulam Dovid Soloveitchik

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Funeral[edit]

Ping: User:Jkaharper, User:Arminden, User:Y There is currently an ongoing edit war as to whether or not there should be a reference to the fact that thousands of mourners violated a lockdown to attend the funeral. My personal opinion is that it is not relevant to the subject of the article. Another Israeli Rabbi's funeral on the same day was also attended by thousands who violated the lockdown as well (see: here). It seems to speak more about the culture of large funerals for Orthodox Jewish leaders, in general, then it does about Rabbi Soloveitchik in particular--Steamboat2020 (talk) 20:29, 1 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Steamboat2020, Jkaharper, and Y: The other deceased rabbi, R. Yitzchok Scheiner, rosh yeshiva of the Kamenitz Yeshiva of Jerusalem, is described as himself carefully following epidemiological regulations and "discouraging large gatherings and urging adherence to government-ordered measures". Rav Yitzchok did his best; Rav Meshulam... not so much, to quote Rav Borat. There will be a whole number people who will die, pass on, be no more due to this. So? You tell me. Arminden (talk) 22:05, 1 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Arminden: The fact that 8,000 people attended Rabbi Scheiner's funeral despite the fact that he himself would have been vehemently opposed to it, just amplifies my point that the crowds in attendance seem to speak more about the general culture of large funerals for Orthodox Jewish leaders then it does about the actual deceased.--Steamboat2020 (talk) 22:22, 1 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Steamboat2020: And my point is: one has tried, vehemently, the other one - not. Although he was the higher authority. You truly think this doesn't reflect on him? I'm not a Talmudist, but my poor linear logic says: yes. In my world, intentions and attempts at making them come through do matter. Arminden (talk) 22:38, 1 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Arminden:I cannot find a single source online to back up your allegations that Rabbi Meshulam Solevechik would have wanted 10,000 people to come to his funeral and risk spreading disease. Can you please post a link to wherever you are getting your information from.--Steamboat2020 (talk) 00:01, 2 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Steamboat2020: I see you really ARE throwing the Talmud at me, and I'm in no mood to continue. Read what I wrote. Don't spin it. A asks for X, B doesn't ask for X. X is good. Therefore... You can't possibly not comprehend, but you're here for a dispute. Not with me, sorry, bye. Arminden (talk) 00:13, 2 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Arminden: Nobody forced you to partake in this discussion. I initially pinged you because you were one of the editors who was engaging in an edit war. Please assume good faith and avoid personal attacks. I didn't "throw" the Talmud or anything else at you. The bottom line is that there is nothing to suggest that Rabbi Solevitchik would have enouraged anybody to violate the lockdown and risk spreading disease. Furthemore, he is not responsible just because 10,000 people decided to violate a lockdown and attend his funeral. The fact that he did not advocate his followers to adhere to the lockdown is irrelevant because he was a 99 year old man who was ailing for months before he died. Rabbi Scheiner on the other hand was active up until a couple of weeks before he died.--Steamboat2020 (talk) 01:14, 2 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]