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Requested move[edit]

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: page moved (by User:Angela, per {{db-move}}). -- Trevj (talk) 12:49, 1 August 2012 (UTC) -- Trevj (talk) 12:49, 1 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Merit Order → Merit order – The house style for article names is all lower case after the intiial word, unless it's a proper noun or initialism. Merit order already exists and prevents a move. --Wtshymanski (talk) 14:45, 30 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom. Beagel (talk) 11:48, 31 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support Ernestfax^Talk 15:24, 31 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support, no proper noun or initial-ism, no need to capitalize!--Education does not equal common sense. 我不在乎 17:40, 31 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support, per WP:CAPS. As an uncontroversial policy-based move, this can be accomplished by {{db-move}}, so I've placed the tag. -- Trevj (talk) 06:13, 1 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Terminology[edit]

The effect of intermittency on merit order The last line said that the marginal cost of renewable energy is never zero due to the need to amortise capital and operating costs. Marginal cost is defined on Wikipedia as the change in Total cost where output changes by one unit. Marginal cost, as it is understood in finance and economics, does not account for capital and fixed operating costs, as these do not vary with output (until you get to zero).

The effect of renewable energy on merit order 31/12/2012: they do have to pay for fuel, and the sole contributor... should be they do NOT have to pay for fuel, and the sole contributor... ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.177.205.6 (talk) 11:36, 31 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Confusion over 'merit order' and 'merit order effect'[edit]

I think this article confuses two distinct, but related concepts:

Merit order dispatch systems
the 'merit order effect'

Merit order dispatch system is another way of describing an economic dispatch system as described (perhaps insufficiently) on the Economic dispatch page. This is also known as Security Constrained Economic Dispatch (or sometimes bid constrained) and is typically used in liberalized electricity markets around the world. This is system also further discussed in the wholesale electricity markets section on this page.

The merit order effect is a an interaction or phenomenon that occurs when low marginal cost production (including but not limited to renewable energy sources) participates in such liberalized markets. 58.107.75.34 (talk) 01:24, 1 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I fully agree. RobbieIanMorrison (talk) 21:08, 7 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Copied content??[edit]

It also appears (I could most certainly be wrong) that the fourth section on page "Merit Order Effect" - is copied directly from some other source (if not, it certainly needs an edit and/or formatting).

(This is my first wikipedia edit / involvement - apologies if this does not conform with the talk guidlines) 58.107.75.34 (talk) 01:24, 1 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I just checked this page for possible copyright violation using Earwig's Copyvio Detector. The paragraph beginning "Increasing the supply of renewable energy .." is almost verbatim equivalent to material on this page. Given the diagrams on the external page, I guess the material was plagiarised by Wikipedia and not the other way around. I will remove the offending material within the next week. Thanks to 58.107.75.34 for pointing this out. Best wishes. RobbieIanMorrison (talk) 16:52, 22 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Merit order effect[edit]

That whole section reads itself as if a german energy economist with no practical knowledge of the english language wrote it in german first and then translated it via dict.leo.org. 01.07.13 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.86.163.13 (talk) 07:31, 1 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Major overhaul[edit]

Given the comments above, namely:

confusion over concepts (§ Confusion over 'merit order' and 'merit order effect')
an entire paragraph of copyright violation (§ Copied content??)
seems to be translated from German (§ Merit order effect)

A major overhaul seems in order and I propose to do so. I will be working on a sandbox copy at: User:RobbieIanMorrison/sandbox/work in progress 3. Please leave any comments you may have here, on this talk page. The rewrite should take me two weeks at most. Best wishes. RobbieIanMorrison (talk) 09:24, 30 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Needed: inclusion of conservation, e.g., replacing incandescent bulbs with LEDs.[edit]

Conservation costs less per watt than, e.g., existing lignite electricity. And conservation is most available when demand is greatest, and available after the sun goes down, without the need for storage. (not signed but by added by Ocdcntx on 27 February 2017)

While the above is normally true, merit order is an entirely supply side concept. Energy conservation and energy demand management warrant a mention in this article, but only to provide context. An examination of the trade-offs between existing and new generation and user domain measures lies outside the scope of this page. Best wishes. RobbieIanMorrison (talk) 08:53, 28 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]