Talk:Martin Maloney (artist)

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Saatchi Gallery[edit]

Removed refs to Saatchi Gallery as Maloney has never worked for them, nor has he been representd by them. Article read like a negative review/personal attack on the artist. Have added some contextual info to balance this tone. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Infoart (talk • contribs).

Maloney was reported in the press as working with Saatchi to curate and promote the New Neurotic Realism show. The article does not say he worked for the Saatchi Gallery, but with. I've changed it to "with Charles Saatchi".

I disagree this article was a negative review/personal attack. It just happened to have one quote from a critic. It is a stub, i.e. just the beginning of an article to build on. Maloney has been criticised by others also for his crude painting, so it's not a totally maverick quote. Obviously it would be good to balance this with the other side of the story also.

Tyrenius 05:21, 1 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I understand your comments re: "bad painting" and "collaboration" with Saatchi considering the information you've read. "Bad Painting" is certainly justified in context of the Flash Art article from the mid 90s; however, it should also be made quite clear that Maloney's work is taken seriously and has quite complex critical concerns. As for the Saatchi "collaboration", it is simply not true -- though was unfortunately misreported in some broadsheets at the time -- consequently I have removed all references to this. This can be quite easily verified through both the Saatchi Gallery and Timothy Taylor. I do understand the confusion as MM both exhibited and wrote the text for NNR. If you would like to address MM's curatorial activities, he did curate the "Die Young Stay Pretty" show at ICA London 1999, and directed a project space called "Lost In Space" in south London the 1990s. If you would like to discuss this further, please post a message on my talk page. --Infoart 12:55, 12 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I don't have refs to hand for Saatchi collaboration, so I'm not challenging the removal. The phrasing is

Martin Maloney practises deliberately "bad" painting, where images (mainly figures) are achieved with apparently inept draughtsmanship and crude painting.

This was intended to show that this violation of expectation is a conscious ploy, and I think it quite clearly does that. Maloney's work is taken seriously by some and not by others. We should show this range. Feel free to add to the article to incorporate what you think is missing (which is quite a lot at the moment, I agree).

Tyrenius 01:48, 13 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]