Talk:Marnie (film)

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External links - dead link[edit]

Looks like the link to the 2005 Times article is no longer valid. I have a copy of it cached on my site if anyone wants to update the external link (http://www.hitchcockwiki.com/page/193). Davepattern (talk) 23:02, 31 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Black and white image?[edit]

Why is the image of the film in black and white when this is a color film? (in fact, it is a film which could not reasonably be done in black and white, due to the importance of the color red) Perhaps if nothing else, the caption on the photo should explain that while the photo is B&W, the film is in color. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.104.61.117 (talk) 04:16, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Rape[edit]

"incites Mark to rape her"?? "Consumates against her will"?? You mean rape. He rapes her. Seriously! Who the f!ck wrote this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Revatman (talk • contribs) 03:59, 30 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Next time, just WP:be bold and fix it. Clarityfiend (talk) 03:55, 30 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'd be happy to edit it but there are no "edit" buttons and I don't know how to change the entry to make it editable. 24.15.131.32 (talk) 22:17, 24 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Editing[edit]

I watched this flick this morning and I have problems believing that whoever wrote the entry had actually seen the movie. It's also poorly written and I was going to edit a few sentences for clarity but for some strange reason it's not possible to edit it. This is a movie review, not some entry about a controversial person or subject. 24.15.131.32 (talk) 21:13, 24 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I can't make any sense of the summary. Did she steal money from a safe twice, or did the summary just mention it twice? What is the point of her throwing away the key to the money she stole -- doesn't she want to use the money? And why does she want to make her marriage to a rapist "work"? 50.180.19.238 (talk) 03:28, 31 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Miss Lucy had a baby[edit]

Apparently, the children's rhyme about the lady with the alligator bag shows up prominently in this movie? Worth mentioning and linking, if someone could. — $Llywelyn II$ 19:32, 14 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

About the Plot[edit]

I have checked out the view history, and notice that the plot has been added to little by little, so that it is now very long, with many unnecessary details, and some important points that are either missing or wrong. When I recently tried to make some corrections, I was told that I was merely increasing the length of a plot summary that was already too long. The plot summary is not too bad, but it is cobbled together by may editors and it is not particularly clear. I am going to re-write it. My plan is to copy the entire section to another file on my computer and work on it until it is shorter, more direct, but also clearer. I am not going to erase it and start over, but work with what is already there. Since this will take a little work, I plan to put up the banner that says "under construction" so that other concerned editors can give me a little time to make all my changes before evaluating the whole thing.Grinbriar (talk) 23:42, 9 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds good to me, and I especially approve of putting up the banner so that it's clear what's going on; thanks for your efforts! DonIago (talk) 13:17, 10 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

After working to compress the plot summary, removing unnecessary details, EquitableCanine has put a lot of the details back and made the plot summary long again. For example, Mark is spending extravagantly on Marnie. I mentioned the "honeymoon" cruise because the next scene is set on the cruise. But whatever else he spent on is unnecessary. A lot of detail has been added back to the horse scene. It is an Alfred Hitchcock adventure scene; the details are not important in this setting. So? I do not know what to do. I feel like if I change it back, it may cause a fight. Before I made edits to the plot summary, I watched the movie and took notes. I am confident that my edits relate well to the actual plot. I definitely think that the re-insertion of the excess details, and the increasing length of the plot summary are steps in the wrong direction. Also, I deliberately removed several links which I considered trivial. I will watch this page for a while and see what others may think, and then maybe I will edit some more.Grinbriar (talk) 23:26, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I've edited this plot before. I've gone through and added a few details and deleted a lot more to get it under the recommended maximum length. Clarityfiend (talk) 02:09, 15 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

''Margaret "Marnie" Edgar (Tippi Hedren) used her charms on Sidney Strutt (Martin Gabel), a tax consultant, to get a clerical job without references. She thens steals $10,000 from his company safe and flees. This is not the start of the movie; this happened before the movie starts. (I believe that is called a back story). The way I had written it is more correct, referring to her leaving town, because of what she had just done. The move starts with Marnie fleeing the robbery, walking away from the camera, with a closeup from behind of the yellow purse that she carries underneath her arm. I think this kind of subtle error comes from trying to remember the plot but getting it a little wrong in the fuzziness of memory. Before I edited the plot, I watched the movie and took notes. I have a very strong feeling that many of the plot edits are going off in the wrong direction. I will keep watching it for a while, before I decide what to do.Grinbriar (talk) 00:01, 16 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Per WP:FILMPLOT, "events in the film do not have to be written in the order in which they appear on screen." However, you have a valid point, so I've done some rearranging. Clarityfiend (talk) 00:38, 16 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

WOW! No changes allowed?Grinbriar (talk) 21:10, 5 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Which? The one where you assume that Mark hires her without knowing she's a thief? I'm pretty sure that's not the case and that it says something important about him. Clarityfiend (talk) 21:58, 5 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Last line?[edit]

The article says the last line is "I don't want to go to jail; I'd rather stay with you." but I thought she said "I want to stay with you." Not a huge difference, but definitely a stronger statement. Unfortunately, it was on the DVR and then I deleted it, so I can't go back and check. Nerfer (talk) 04:24, 21 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hitchcock, Second Edition: The Murderous Gaze and this article say "rather". Clarityfiend (talk) 08:23, 21 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Violation[edit]

I corrected this article yesterday while watching the film. I was surprised to see that the Wikipedia plot description stated that Mark raped Marnie.

I corrected it to, "Mark initially respects her wishes, but at one point rips off her nightdress suddenly, leaving her naked. He is immediately remorseful and apologises." That is what happened.

Afterwards, another editor restored the "rape" while saying in the edit summary, "There was a rape, as I recall".

Well, I saw the scene immediately before reading about a "rape" in Wikipedia. Marnie was violated by being stripped, but Mark saw her fear and apologised. He took off his dressing gown to cover her, kissed her face, and put her to bed. O'Dea (talk) 08:39, 5 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I found the scene in youtube. Of course, Hitchcock wasn't going to show an actual rape, but it is implied, as noted by a reliable source, critic Richard Brody. (The camera turns away, but does not immediately switch to another scene - which IMO indicates some other action is taking place offscreen - and somewhat stressful music plays.) A magazine article trumps your interpretation.Clarityfiend (talk) 11:07, 5 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Also, Mark looming over her at the end of the scene (and the expression on his face) indicates he isn't just going to go away. Clarityfiend (talk) 11:15, 5 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The scene is ambiguous but has been widely interpreted as rape and condemned as such. Figureofnine (talk • contribs) 21:04, 3 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Article titles[edit]

This article is correctly titled. However, the article on the novel upon which it is based is simply "Marnie." I think that as with, for instance, Strangers on a Train, Marnie should be a link to the disambiguation page and the novel would be simply Marnie (novel). Figureofnine (talk • contribs) 21:04, 3 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Shouldn't this be a discussion at Talk:Marnie? DonIago (talk) 13:28, 4 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yes I am going to post there too. But I wanted to raise the issue here as well because this article seems to get more eyeballs. Figureofnine (talk • contribs) 13:47, 4 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I figured out what needed to be done and WP:BOLDly did it. I don't think it should be controversial, but if anyone has a problem it can be reverted and we can discuss. Figureofnine (talk • contribs) 21:36, 4 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Mangled sentence - can someone who knows what it means rewrite it?[edit]

"Hedren did not submit to his advances but asked out of her contract with her, which he refused to d". I think it might mean "...asked him to release her from her contract with him...", but I don't know enough about the background to confirm. DavidFarmbrough (talk) 16:41, 25 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The source is valid, which is good, but I'm out of free New Yorker articles, which is bad. In the meantime I've tagged the statement for needing clarification, which may or may not get it attention more quickly. Good catch. I agree with your inference, but best to be sure! DonIago (talk) 17:00, 25 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

There are a number of ways around the three-article limit, but I won't share them here. Figureofnine (talk • contribs) 18:31, 26 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]