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A fact from Manshuk Mametova appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 26 September 2018 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Manshuk Mametova was the first Kazakh woman to become a Hero of the Soviet Union, after she refused to follow the rest of her unit in retreating from battle in Nevel?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2018/September. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Manshuk Mametova.

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Biased sources for "Last Stand" (section removal?)[edit]

The sources listed that provide "evidence" for Mametova's last stand are dodgy. They provide no primary sources of witness testimonials (for either side), dated records of body counts and equipment captured, etc. They also use biased language in order to paint Mametova as a "hero". For example, she "defeated fascists to the last spark of life" (source [2], https://web.archive.org/web/20190327193623/https://e-history.kz/en/project/view/4?type=publications&material_id=962) and "the brave Komsomol member was mortally wounded, but until her last breath she continued to destroy Nazis..." (source [4]). This hurts the supposed credibility of her actions.

Perhaps consider removing the section or adding a disclaimer that the evidence for Mametova's "last stand" is weak, and the whole thing is likely Soviet propaganda.

HarrieDeStanton (talk) 22:41, 7 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

There are no reliable sources that claim Mametova's last stand was Soviet propaganda. Casualty reports of her division as well as other official documents such as her Hero of the Soviet Union nomination are consistent with the text in the section. Unless you have something strong of reliable sourcing that casts legitimate doubt, this is nothing more than speculation and original research, which cannot be on Wikipedia.--PlanespotterA320 (talk) 22:55, 7 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

P.S. The fact that Женщины - Герои Советского Союза и России by Andrey Simonov and Svetlana Chudinova (the gold standard of encyclopedias on this subject), which does not hesistate to debunk actual instances of Soviet propaganda and myths (like the sketchy claims that Yeketerina Zelenko did an aerial ramming and the false notion that Yekaterina Budanova was a flying ace), reports Mametova's feat exactly how it is described in this article. That is sufficient evidence that Mametova's feat is legit.--PlanespotterA320 (talk) 23:01, 7 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]