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Date of Birth resolved[edit]

Reference to scanned image of 1985 Cinema Publication specifying his Date of Birth both in Malayalam format as well as Gregorian format added. Also cross referenced his "naksthathram" (star on date of birth) to verify accuracy of date as well. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mandanmandrake (talk • contribs) 16:10, 4 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

There was an interview in Mathrubhoomi newspaper's sunday supplement last year or the year before with a retired IAS officer, who also happens to be Mammootty's classmate from school. He was 62 years old. It means that Mammukka has to be atleast the same age as him. So 57 years old is very hard to believe. Also now take a look at him, he looks real old even with makeup. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ramayyar (talk • contribs) 12:56, 16 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Why are there no images here?[edit]

This article is very sorely lacking an image. If there are no free images out there, surely a copyrighted image can be included according to the fair-use policies? {unblock|global block - Adding an external link to the profile}} — Preceding unsigned comment added by Firoz301 (talk • contribs) 16:29, 6 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Facts[edit]

Italic textInitially, K G George's films like Yavanika('Curtain'), Vilkanunde Swapnangal('Dreams for sale') and Valarthumrigangal('Pets') made him noticeable.Italic text

I think Vilkkanundu Swapnagal was directed by someone named Azad, who later commited suicide. Unless someone has a different opinion, I would like to change this line. Tintin 1 July 2005 04:12 (UTC)

that reference has been deleted; please restore it if necessary; anyone who is more informed on the subject. I've rewritten first two paragraphs; the whole article needs to be rewritten to make it fit for an encyclopedia -Pournami 10:53, 9 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Confused[edit]

i DONT KNOW WHY THEY KEEP CHANGING WHAT i write

rewritten[edit]

added zero new content, trimmed former article as suggested above by me. The article may be incomplete and requiring further additions, think i've done enough to make the tone formal enough for encyclopedia. hence think it's fit to remove cleanup-tone tag. -Pournami 11:34, 9 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

How can you mention the salary of an ACTOR, who is also a producer and distributor.

They dont have fixed salaries;

Please remove his salary, wonder who put it in there???

Thank you[edit]

I thank the one who tabulated the filmography (of 1990's). Its indeed a tiresome job. Is there any other way to tabulate rather than to type all that stuff? Post reply here itself. I've posted a hell lot of data that require tabulation.--Anoopkn 08:19, 2 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you and you are welcome- Eximius 16:49, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

urgent[edit]

please allow the tabulation of filmography of his all films Naveenpf 03:21, 16 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes Naveen, can set soonEximius 16:49, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

New Additions[edit]

New intro, Early life, Acting career (7 sub), Beyond boundaries, International fame (3 sub, Rare distinctions, Social commitments, Humanitarian works (7 sub), Television career, Other activities, Publications, Miraculous escapes from accidents, Criticism, Political rumors, Controversies and References Added. New Main article created for Awards, honors and recognitions. In Filmography, Add new sections Rumored, In production etc. with sorting feature. Eximius 09:59, 30 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Dreadful write up[edit]

Is it so hard for people to write up stuff here without making it sound silly? Bad grammar aside, is it neccessary to 'praise' Mammootty in every third sentence? The early career section sounds like tedious flattery and there is not much facts there at all. And of course the Keralan obsession with the present continous tense has(or should i say, is having..) a starring role here too. Dreadful!!!

As Above[edit]

This article is poorly written and almost comical in its non too subtle praise of Mammooty: this needs to be tidied up badly... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.222.221.132 (talk) 00:53, 16 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

New images[edit]

I added 3 new images to the article. I believe images do increase the overall appeal and impact of an article. Also the article is comprehensive enough now, but it requires some thorough copy-editing and other corrections. Then I think we can propose promoting the article to A class.--Anoopkn (talk) 12:37, 11 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Was Iyer the Great (1990) a hit in Andhra also?[edit]

Was Iyer the Great (1990) a hit in Andhra also? I came to know it from a movie site. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.129.207.10 (talk) 11:38, 18 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes Asifali11 (talk) 14:07, 19 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Image facing deletion[edit]

I added a copyright image (with proper description) which also is facing deletion now. The article is lacking of images. If anybody has time to make correction into the summary/description of the image which I uploaded, please look into it. Thanks. --Avinesh Jose  T  07:28, 16 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Regaining stardom, 1987s[edit]

Words like "without even having single dance, song etc." are unnecessary peacock/weasel words detrimental to the quality of the article

Criticism[edit]

I deleted some sentences added by an unregistered user because 

  * it contained original research 
  * unreferenced
  * the referenced sentence could not be qualified as criticism  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zencv (talk • contribs) 18:56, 27 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Humanitarian works[edit]

I would have liked the heading Philanthropic activities. Any opinions? Also I would like to classify different charity acts under appropriate sub section, also remove some of the unreferenced paragraphs..Comments appreciated.

Suigeneris (talk) 13:05, 14 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Deleting unwanted data[edit]

Friends, though it is difficut to pinpoint what is wanted and what is not, I intend to remove the sections on political rumours, controversies, humanitarian activities,........etc. Any comments--OpelC (talk) 10:41, 3 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

IMO, they should not be deleted as they do contain many important info. that gives an idea about Mammootty as an actor and a private person - instead they should be categorised and restructured according to Wiki standards. Given the volume of data, it is a difficult task - but I would like to start with humanitarian work part soon Suigeneris (talk) 12:00, 3 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Vandalism again[edit]

Unfortunately blatant vandalim(removal of sourced content, adding obvious OR etc.) continues - Hope people will stop this bad faith edits. Suigeneris (talk) 10:41, 24 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Article too long[edit]

There are quite a lot of unwanted information in the article which does not live upto standards set for BLP in WP. I would like to gradually remove or rewrite it. Especially there are too many subsections and many of them contain excessive praises. If there are any objections to my edits, I would like this to be discussed or challenged here. Thanks Zencv Lets discuss 23:06, 5 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Mamooty Home Page Shows Up as a Spyware Page on Google[edit]

The home page link provided in the article is leading to a Google Safe Browsing Dialog. Requesting attention. URL to the google page is provided here. Error PageSanjit Nair (talk) 19:50, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This would not be a reason to remove an official site. Google safe browser is a firefox addon(as far as i understand) and is not a universally accepted way to blacklist a website. The only thing matters if website violates Wikipedia:External_links. So long as it doesn't, website can stay Zencv Lets discuss 12:23, 21 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Alright sire! :) It opens up on IE. Can we add a warning (just in case) :) Sanjit Nair (talk) 17:37, 22 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I think its beyond WP to warn users. Its upto individual users to safeguard themselves. Zencv Lets discuss 17:47, 22 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Accepted. :)Sanjit Nair (talk) 16:50, 23 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

POV Tag[edit]

The article is overflowing with fan gushery, unsourced claims of "blockbusters" "superhits" etc etc. -- The Red Pen of Doom 00:18, 19 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have removed quite a lot of non senses from several sections. Unfortunately it is unlikely to remain so, as WP becomes a place for fan fights. Only a protection from new and unregistered users can help. Zencv Lets discuss 12:00, 10 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I have removed the tags after significant clean ups. Zencv Lets discuss 12:17, 10 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Don't edit pls!!!!!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.108.88.52 (talk) 08:30, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request from Abinjacob2255, 11 July 2010[edit]

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the article needs to be edited Abinjacob2255 12:05, 11 July 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Abinjacob2255 (talk • contribs)

Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. Salvio ( Let's talk 'bout it!) 12:57, 11 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request from Drillmash, 9 September 2010[edit]

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Please edit his birth year. It is not 1953, it is 1951. The source you have listed as reference is a website which does not have any reliability. His Birth Day is September 7, 1951.

See this proved in this forum http://www.forumkeralam.com/2421326-post4895.html.

You can see there the content from an old magazine article in Malayalam which states his DOB.

It is also proved there using his birth star/ zodiac sign/ nakshathra - which is well known among Kerala movie audience as 'Vishakha'.. His birthday is well known to be September 7. So both of these to be true at the same time , the year has to be 1951 (using nakshathra calcualation)

The following blog site also lists the birth year as 1951

http://i-am-mamooty.blogspot.com/2008/12/profile.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by Drillmash (talk • contribs) 01:44, 9 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You seem to be mistaken on what is, and what is not, a reliable source. Forums and blog sites do not qualify as reliable sources.— Dædαlus Contribs 01:49, 9 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: Neither of the sources you cite is reliable. The article cites 3 sources, and while I do not know how reliable they are, they are certainly at least as reliable as blog and forum posts, and look to me as though they are likely to be more reliable. Saying "an old magazine article" but giving no indication what article or in what magazine is not giving a source at all. "Well known among Kerala movie audience" is a very unreliable source. JamesBWatson (talk) 11:33, 9 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Mammooty himself said that he was born on september 7, 1953 in a function. We cannot go with forums and blogs. Its a fact confirmed by himslef. Also its a reliable source. In case of Kamal haasan too the question arises regarding his DOB. Even I personally feel that Kamal Haasan must be atleast 3 to 4 years old. Also in the case of Rajinikanth too. Telugu actor Mohanbabu, Rajini's close friend stated that Rajini is 65 years old during the audio launch of Enthiran. But that can't be taken into account since wikipedia relies only on reliable sources.Vensatry (talk) 06:18, 28 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request from Drillmash, 9 September 2010[edit]

Please edit his birth year. It is not 1953, it is 1951 Here is a proof from your own defined 'reliable source' which states both his date of birth and nakshatra as what I mentioned before.

http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/hindi/article/25136.html

I had not asked you to take the dicussion in the forum as the source. Instead, I wanted you to go through the post and go thrugh the 'sources listed there'. I thought that would be better than my repeating the entire story from that post here. I also thought somebody who knows how to read Malayalam would be there to edit the wiki page for a well know Malayalam actor. If you could read Malayalam , I need not tell you which Magazine is that. Its name is there in the image.

'Mammootty is a Malayalam actor' is a well known thing for any one knowing Malayalam and I don't think you would need a source to prove that. Similarly his nakshathra is also very well known among Malayalees.

There is a website which does the nakshatra calculation based on date of birth

Anyway here is the proof from a much for reliable website, a website which many of Indian film lovers use. The sources you have listed are unknown to most. A few of them would have got the wrong date of birth from wiki itself. Personally I believe forum discussions are much more reliable than these kind of unknown sites. Information in these sites are added by one person. Information in forums are discussed by many persons and if the discussion comes at a conclusion it is much more reliable - something like the talk page here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Drillmash (talk • contribs) 18:44, 9 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request from Ramayyar, 16 September 2010[edit]

{{edit semi-protected}} mammootty is older than 57, he is atleast 63. I am telling this because, i read an interview of a retired IAS officer in malayalam newspaper Mathrubhoomi sunday supplement,last year. in that article his age was mentioned as 62. he is mammootty's classmate from school, which also was mentioned in it. there is no chance that he might have failed in any class. so that means if mammootty studied with him,he must also be 63 years now or more if he was a failed student in school.

Ramayyar (talk) 13:03, 16 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Celestra (talk) 13:47, 16 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

dont remove the tag[edit]

I'm not a sadist. This article has lot of info but lacks sources. Alos it has been written like a fan site. take steps to improve the article and once the issues have been solved, the tag will be removed.Vensatry (talk) 04:23, 25 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Salary[edit]

How can you mention the Salary of An Actor, who is also a producer and Distributor.

Dr.Padma Shri Mammooty is also an Entrepreneur he has even distributed some of his own films, so please remove his salary.

No one knows the salary of any Actors it is always kept a secret and it depends from film to film.

Banglore mirror Reference, that is not a relevant reference nor does it certify anyone's salary; please be more sensible. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sagz369 (talk • contribs) 23:04, 30 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Bangalore Mirror is a reliable source and their report says Mammootty gets an average sum of 1.25 crore per film. But the other points you made definitely make sense and Iam just removing that info from the infobox. -- Arfaz (talk) 14:56, 2 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Year of birth[edit]

The year of birth keeps changing every day and many are coming up with different sources. I feel the year of birth can be removed temporarily until a consensus is reached. --Commander (Ping Me) 16:48, 4 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Are you serious about the suggestion to remove the DOB just to tackle vandalism? Mammootty was born in 1951 and the given source is a scanned image of his vehicle license. So there is no need to doubt the reliability of the source. -- Arfaz (talk) 18:00, 4 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
No, but I see many sources (media) claiming his YOB to be "1953". Also the scanned image looks like more of an original research and even they may not be accurate as well. Moreover, the image doesn't come from an authorised person. --Commander (Ping Me) 18:21, 4 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
You can get the license details from the official website of Kerala motor vehicle dept. ("information service" -> "License details" -> Enter DL No:51 / 124 / 1993 , DOB 7 /9 / 1951). None of the sources which say otherwise are official. -- Arfaz (talk) 05:01, 5 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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His Name in correct version as per driving license[edit]

The correct format of Mammotty's name should be Muhammad Kutty Panaparambil Isamil. The name is as per his driving license that is public in google ( search mammotty driving license) Please try to correct. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.101.251.56 (talk) 13:40, 8 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

we can only use reliably published sources, not any old thing we find on google. Claims about living people require the highest standard of sourcing. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 05:12, 6 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
And we should only be using secondary sources. The guidance is pretty clear that driving records should not be used. Quoting WP:BLPPRIMARY, "Do not use trial transcripts and other court records, or other public documents, to support assertions about a living person. Do not use public records that include personal details, such as date of birth, home value, traffic citations, vehicle registrations, and home or business addresses." —C.Fred (talk) 17:32, 6 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Megastar[edit]

Hi, IP from Trivandrum, there are sources which refers to Mohanlal as Megastar. See for example, [1], [2], [3]. So I am reverting your edit. Salih (talk) 15:44, 6 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

One more round[edit]

@117.202.255.44: You just deleted this, saying "sources does not support this extraordinary claim". Looks like you didn't even look at them:
Megastar Mammootty, Samyukta Varma, Chanchal and Kottayam Nazeer have been featured in the different programmes.
Megastar Mammootty and Hollywood actor Richard Gere will share the red carpet on the opening night of the Abu Dhabi Film Festival, an agency has reported.
After a string of box - office flops, ‘New Delhi’ resurrected Mammootty’s career in 1987. The film’s huge success fetched Mammootty the 'Mega Star' status.

Semi-protected edit request on 5 January 2014[edit]

http://www.movieslantern.com/artist/photogallery/index.php?Artistid=131-1 Mammotty @ Movieslantern Loveson8946 (talk) 12:12, 5 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Please clarify your request. Materialscientist (talk) 13:34, 5 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Assessment comment[edit]

The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Mammootty/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.

Some areas of the article are not complete.B class can be given.

Last edited at 03:11, 28 December 2010 (UTC). Substituted at 22:56, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

Megastar (2)[edit]

A slew of editors have been attempting to add that he is a "megastar". He is not a megastar. There is no such category of actor, no such award, no such title granted by a film association. There simply isn't any objective or even subjective measure by which we can call someone a megastar. Adding it here in this context is pure meaningless fan fluff. His career being revived in 1987 and a role that catapulted him to higher fame, fine. But to claim he's some sort of megastar is false. It's not provable in any objective way. He's won plenty of awards. That's enough superlatives. Please remain neutral. Thank you, --Hammersoft (talk) 14:24, 13 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

They are made by fans. --117.230.88.94 (talk) 10:44, 19 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Hammersoft, an editor involved in the warring brought up Michael Jackson as a parallel in one of the edit summaries. In the featured article about Jackson we can find the statement "Called the King of Pop, his contributions to music, dance and fashion along with his publicized personal life made him a global figure in popular culture for over four decades." So I agree with you 100% that we can't just casually call this Indian actor Megastar Mammootty, or say that Mammootty is a megastar, because that would obviously be presenting as fact some intangible, subjective label, but we could fairly say (if properly sourced) that the media has given him the nickname "Megastar Mammootty" in the same way that we could say that Jackson is referred to as the King of Pop. And believe me, I'm one of the first people to purge bullshit POV fluff from Indian articles, so I'm very sensitive to your frustration. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 20:05, 23 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Michael Jackson isn't the king of pop either. There is no such title. Some sources call him that. That doesn't mean "the media" calls him that anymore than Indian media calls Mammootty a megastar. SOME do. I can say Tom Hanks is an Academy Award Winner. That's fact. I can't call him the king of Greenbow, Alabama. There is no such title. WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS isn't an argument that holds water here, even if it is Michael Jackson. --Hammersoft (talk) 21:48, 23 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Right, Michael Jackson is not, factually, "the king" of anything. But "king of pop" is a nickname that is/was in wide usage, and is noteworthy, as it describes the gravity of Jackson's influence in pop music. "Godfather of Soul", "Hardest Working Man in Show Biz", "Queen of Soul", "Queen of Folk", "First Lady of Song", "The Duke", "King of Swing, "Father of Medicine", "Father of our Country", etc. The honorific titles don't have to be factual, official, indisputable titles like "President of the United States" for the content to be included. If the subject is widely referred to by one of these nicknames, pointing that out is not inappropriate. A widespread nickname would be intrinsic to the subject's notability. We're not taking a position on whether or not he is a Megastar, whatever that means, we would only be noting that he is widely referred to by that appellation, if in fact a reliable source made such a claim. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 22:14, 23 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • I've no problem with using the term in connection with a particular media outlet, but to use it as if all media call him that is blatantly false. To use it as if it is his title is false. That's how a number of his fans are trying to refer to him in the article. It's wrong, it's misleading, and disingenuous. --Hammersoft (talk) 22:23, 23 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Hammer, we've always worked well together, so I want to be sure that you understand that I'm not trying to be a combative antagonist here. I am 100% in agreement with you that we should not casually refer to him as "Megastar Mammootty" or "Mammootty the Megastar" or any such hyperbolic label that inflates him, but maybe I'm not doing a good job at communicating that? I also don't support language that suggests that all media calls him that. If the fans want to glorify the dude, I'm not on board with that. On these points, we are in agreement. That said, IBTimes[4] refers to him as that, Times of India[5] and New Indian Express[6] refer to him by that name, as does Deccan Chronicle, as does Sify, as does Hindustani Times, as does News 18 (formerly CNN-IBN). Some sites don't. No hits at Rediff, no hits at The Hindu, no hits at DNA or the Telegraph. In some cases, I'm sure that's because some regions have different people they call "Megastar", (Amitabh Bachchan perhaps?) and some Indian newspapers cater to Hindi-language subjects, or Telugu or Tamil-language subjects. So no, not all media refers to him as that, but that nickname does appear widespread in reliable sources that report on Malayalam happenings. Now how that information is ultimately added into the article is another matter. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 04:19, 24 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • No, you're not being antagonistic :) I think we're on the same page. If we were in person, we'd have this wrapped up in 17.3 seconds. Text based comms suck. Anyway... I've no problem with adding something. Not suggesting this phrasing, but phrasing like "Following his award for best actor in 'BlaBlaBla', some media outlets began referring to him as a megastar" would be ok. A single sourced sentence would suffice. --Hammersoft (talk) 20:49, 24 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
That sounds completely reasonable. Once one of the IPs comes by to participate in the discussion, they can feel free to add the text proposed by you. I'll abstain because I don't particularly care if the article says that. :) Cyphoidbomb (talk) 21:23, 24 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Neither do I as I think it's puffery. But, it's tolerable if it's not in the lead. --Hammersoft (talk) 22:34, 24 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Please do check the article Rajinikanth. In that article he is mentioned as "Superstar". he is also a regional actor from Tamil nadu. there it is allowed even without any proper source. here it is not allowed. can you please explain bro, as I am new to wiki.....--Ambeinghari (talk) 16:30, 2 August 2016(UTC)

Likewise in article Mohanlal all sources which mentions him as greatest indian actor, idol, popular star all accepted. Why no changes there? Why are you after tgis page? Can yiu help me to clean those articles Ambeinghari (talk) 18:05, 2 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oh lord. So just edit war to get what you want? THis is puffery. Did you not read WP:PUFFERY?? This must end. --Hammersoft (talk) 18:36, 2 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Ok i just read it and I understand. But what I'm trying to say was not only this article, so many south indian actors articles are filled with such quotes. Please take care of that too. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ambeinghari (talk • contribs) 01:33, 3 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • One, read WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS as I asked you to do above. Two, how can I? Every time I try to remove the puffery, you edit war to get it back in. You're still doing it. --Hammersoft (talk) 13:24, 3 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Ambeinghari: Are you exiting this discussion? It's been two days, and based on this it seems you're exiting? Or, if we try to move back towards the prior consensus are you going to continue to edit war to your preferred version as you have been doing? --Hammersoft (talk) 19:50, 5 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Hammersoft, might I please trouble you to articulate, for Ambeinghari's benefit, what specifically you find problematic about the changes he made? I thought you and I were in agreement that it's okay to say that the media has given him a nickname, just not to refer to him as that as though it were his kingly title. I'm not a fan of the "matinee idol status" crap that was added--I think that's far too similar to the "blockbuster status" "declared as super hit" verdict stamp puffery that I see everywhere across Indian film articles. Of the changes that Ambeinghari made, what might you propose is reasonable to include that takes into consideration that Mammootty is actually considered one of the most popular Malayalam film actors? Thanks, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 20:06, 5 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Happy to do so though I thought we worked through this before. I previously voiced concern about drippingly positive commentary in the lead. It's back in now. He's the sexiest, most popular Keralite, and much of the third paragraph can be ditched in favor of the philanthropy section. There's other places that are problematic too. We still have this wording "He began to be referred to as 'Megastar' by the media and fans" which attributes the media and fans as a monolithic entities. This is flatly wrong. SOME media, SOME fans, sure. But again, this verbiage as is dances into the realm of puffery. The talk, in the lead, of his receiving honorary degrees is duplicate of and belongs only in the "Awards, honours and recognitions" section. But, this work can't be done because Ambeinghari has hijacked the article and refuses to allow these changes to be done. --Hammersoft (talk) 20:23, 5 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hai Cyphoidbomb Hammersoft I didn't hijacked anything. You can do whatever you want according to your wish. You are an administrator. I will never come back to edit, revert or change anything on article Mammootty. See he is there for 35 years in this industry. And by now almost every one knows wiki is editable and unreliable as so many users are abusing it, it doesn't matter whether "Megastar" tag is there or he us most popular actor is there. You can remove and clean all yoh want. No matter what people of South India knows who he is and what's his position is. Go ahead man remove it clean everything. I will never ever contribute or interfere in this article any more. I am from this part of the world and i know almost everything about this industry, but i will not do anything. Go ahead. No hijacking nothing. Pls go ahead. Thanks..

But, yes i read "OTHERSTUFFEXITS" an all. Am not trying to say same thing. But as an administrator you want wiki articles to be good and perfect. So its my humble request pls do just check Mohanlal article and read what is mentioned in that. Pls. I can't do anything. But you all are administrators and you can check it right? You are finding time to investigate about me and block me even though am innocent, pls man atleast you can use half of that little time to look this Mohanlal article. Pls kind request. Ambeinghari (talk) 02:18, 6 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • One, I'm not an administrator. Two, I'm not interested in edit warring against you. Three, I've tried very hard to explain to you why your edits have been problematic. Four, we *do* want you to be here, but not if you're going to behave in disruptive ways as you have been. I've tried to explain this to you before. --Hammersoft (talk) 02:59, 6 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • As far as I know, Ambeinghari you were blocked only once, and that was for losing your temper and being abusive. You haven't persisted with that, so thank you, and I don't think I've had any problems with you since then. This is a prime opportunity for you to express your thoughts and to work toward consensus. You are still welcome to edit Mammootty, but we need to come to some sort of agreement on the tone of the content included. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 03:58, 6 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you guys. I wil try my level best if i can stay here. Regards. Ambeinghari (talk) 05:02, 6 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Ambeinghari is a sock. He is not welcome to edit Wikipedia. Inside the Valley (talk) 07:35, 6 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

What is your problem?? Am trying to make my contributions to wiki and your are trying to make me a sock Ambeinghari (talk) 08:18, 6 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Premature GAN[edit]

The article has been nominated for a GA amidst the ongoing 'Megastar' tag dispute. It has plenty of issues with respect to sourcing and NPOV – it easily fails five of the six criterion. —Vensatry (talk) 11:01, 6 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Beside, the nominator is not a major contributor. Not to mention the ongoing SPI on him. Inside the Valley (talk) 18:54, 6 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Separate Filmography page[edit]

There is a separate Mammootty filmography page - isn't this article unnecessarily detailed in his filmography since other article exists? Greyspshaw22 (talk) 20:19, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Mammootty residing place is Chempu, which is in Kochi-Kumarakom road[edit]

Mammootty residing place is Chempu, which is in Kochi-Kumarakom road, But in the Article it's mentioned Near Kottayam. (That needs to be corrected please) Faisalabdukunju (talk) 07:41, 18 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done the article clearly states "the village of Chempu near Vaikom in Kottayam district" nothing says "near Kottayam" however Chempu is in Kottayam district - Arjayay (talk) 13:56, 18 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
File:Megastar mammootty 1.jpg

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Shreyaskrishna (talk • contribs) 14:59, 28 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 28 November 2017[edit]

Mammootty is known as the megastar of mollywood.so please include a nickname option for mammootty and put nickname as Megastar please wikipedia its our mammootty's name. Shreyaskrishna (talk) 14:37, 28 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Sir Joseph (talk) 15:24, 28 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 1 February 2018[edit]

There is an error in the section National Film Awards , Mammootty won National Film Award for Best Actor for Vidheyan and Ponthan Mada in 1994 and not in 1993 . Please Change it from 1993 to 1994. Sources = http://www.news18.com/news/india/national-film-awards-amitabh-or-mammootty-348435.html Mohammedjaseem66 (talk) 14:37, 1 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

 Done - thanks for providing a reference to support your request - but as it is February, I have changed your dates - Arjayay (talk) 14:17, 1 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Nickname[edit]

He is known as megastar in mollywood industry. The title is used in his entire movies. Please add it. Url:https://m.timesofindia.com/entertainment/malayalam/movies/news/mammootty-insisted-that-we-stay-true-to-ysrs-real-life-persona/amp_articleshow/64987914.cms Safeersmak (talk) 05:43, 18 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Occupation[edit]

Hey there are lot of difference between a lawyer and banker.Being a lawyer is very different than any other jobs.If he didnt→ go to court or practicing in now a days doesnt mean he is not a lawyer anymore.There are lots of people who enrolled as a lawyer and take a break from practicing it and do some other jobs (like banker or whatever) but they coming back to their proffession (as a lawyer) once they retire from their job. Akhiljaxxn (talk) 07:55, 22 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Then you are mistaken. Laywer means someone who practices law as an advocate/attorney etc. It's a "profession", not a doctoral degree to stay with you until you die. If you left the job and moved on to other profession, then you are not a lawyer anymore. It makes him a "former lawyer". You refer the definition of occupation. Is his job a lawyer ? No, not at all. It will be if he returns, but it's not the case here.--Let There Be Sunshine 09:11, 22 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 3 November 2018[edit]

He is also known as the Megastar of Malayalam Industry and Face of Indian Cinema. 2405:204:D207:A313:F9D9:C029:1DCC:DE88 (talk) 15:51, 3 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. —C.Fred (talk) 16:05, 3 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 24 October 2018[edit]

"He was credited as Sajin in his early films" - add in lead, after 1st sentence in 2nd paragraph. It was his name in some initial films before changing to mammootty. https://english.manoramaonline.com/entertainment/entertainment-news/2018/07/13/how-mammootty-the-name-came-to-spell-success.html 2405:204:D405:D13D:311C:B86C:2C0F:F35D (talk) 08:01, 24 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

This is not significant enough to go in the introduction to the article, but I did include it in the section about his 1980–83 films. —C.Fred (talk) 16:10, 3 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 1 October 2019[edit]

Please add link to Filmography to this page.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mammootty_filmography Tomv021 (talk) 08:34, 1 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Tolly4bolly 08:51, 1 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 17 November 2019[edit]

Mammootty has emerged as the first actor in the history of Filmfare Awards to receive 3 nominations for the Best Actor trophy in the same year, for the films from 3 different languages. Mammootty has been nominated for the Best Actor award in Malayalam, Tamil, and Telugu languages, for his performances in the movies Unda, Peranbu, and Yatra, respectively. 86.98.30.114 (talk) 12:30, 17 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done. It's not clear what changes you want to make; please make a precise request and provide reliable sources to support any claims made. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 14:08, 17 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Actor Mammootty another popular names[edit]

Actor Mammootty is known as the megastar of indian cinema.. He has acted over more than 400 films and He is the only indian actor who acted more than 400 films in lead role at present. and He is also known as the face of indian cinema.. He gained awards and rewards more than any actors ... He is the only indian actor who acted in more classical roles and got more critical appreciation — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jyothish p jayakumar (talk • contribs) 08:14, 21 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

What is your question? Cyphoidbomb (talk) 13:42, 21 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 14 October 2020[edit]

I would like to add some additional information about the actor. CJ Vishnu (talk) 07:51, 14 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ok CJ Vishnu (talk) 07:51, 14 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

You can request specific changes here on this talk page on the form "Please change X to Y", citing reliable sources. – Thjarkur (talk) 09:22, 14 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 16 March 2021[edit]

Mammootty cannot play the role of Hrithik Roshan in Dhoom 2 (talk) 14:53, 16 March 2021 (UTC) Mammootty cannot play the role of Hrithik Roshan in Dhoom 2 (talk) 14:53, 16 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

No edit requested. Closing. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 14:56, 16 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Mammootty is the legendary actor of Indian Cinema[edit]

2409:4073:200D:83DB:0:0:596:E8A5 (talk) 08:30, 28 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. --Hammersoft (talk) 15:55, 28 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 28 June 2021[edit]

2409:4073:200D:83DB:0:0:596:E8A5 (talk) 08:30, 28 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. --Hammersoft (talk) 15:55, 28 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 14 July 2021[edit]

He is one of the greatest actors indian cinema has ever seen. 117.254.174.26 (talk) 05:21, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: WP:NPOV — IVORK Talk 05:41, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 6 September 2021[edit]

Age 70 94.204.255.246 (talk) 21:25, 6 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: Not yet. He will turn 70, per the UTC calendar, in two hours. The template will update at that point; if it doesn't, I can purge the page to refresh it. —C.Fred (talk) 21:57, 6 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 28 November 2021[edit]

He is one of the finest actors Indian cinema has ever seen. Rizanrahman1234 (talk) 09:49, 28 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: this is the talk page for discussing improvements to the page Mammootty. Please make your request at the talk page for the article concerned. ––FormalDude talk 09:55, 28 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Good Article[edit]

Hi Ab207 Can you please help in making this article a Good Article. I have gone through the article and I felt like it's all good. If any changes need to be done, I will work on it. Paavamjinn (talk) 19:29, 14 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You have nominated it. The next step is that an experienced GA reviewer will go over the article and list stuff that has to be fixed before it can become GA. As the nominator, you will be responsible for fixing everything the reviewer requests. David notMD (talk) 04:15, 24 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
At a glance, I saw that the article has multiple cn tags, which would be better if fixed before a review. Kpddg (talk) 09:55, 24 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
kpddg Will work on it. Have a small doudt. In the Acting career Most Associated Directors section is needed there. I don't feel like its needed there. Can you give me any suggestionsPaavamjinn (talk) 15:22, 24 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Paavamjinn, I am not very well-versed with this article. But I do not think a separate section will be needed for this. Kpddg (talk) 15:26, 24 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Kpddg How can I request for a delete of that section. Can I delete myself or can request it in talkpage of the article Paavamjinn (talk) 16:04, 24 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
You could wait for other editors to reply, but also do it yourself if confident. Kpddg (talk) 14:04, 25 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]


GA Review[edit]

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Reviewer: Tayi Arajakate (talk · contribs) 00:47, 28 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Hello Paavamjinn, I'll take up the review for this nomination and will present it to you shortly. I hope you find my feedback helpful. Tayi Arajakate Talk 00:55, 28 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Paavamjinn, sorry for the delayed review. I've gone through the article now and I should say this looks like a premature nomination, quite a bit of work is necessary before it can be promoted. See the points below and feel free to ask me if you have any queries or objections. If you want, I can put this review on hold for the time being or I can fail it now so that you can get more time to work on it. Tayi Arajakate Talk 18:06, 7 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Tayi Arajakate, how many days can this put this review on hold. Currently, I am busy with my PhD program. I need more time for this exactly I can as 1 or 2 months. Also "Ref 131 is a dead link to an questionable source" what this point means? Can you hold it for 2 months? Also please specify about the primary source to be reduced. What does that meanPaavamjinn (talk) 17:30, 10 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Paavamjinn, that's a bit long but I suppose I can put this on hold for two months, I won't any longer though so consider that the deadline (10 July). I've also fixed the "ref 131" point and specified what I'm referring to. Regarding primary sources, read WP:PRIMARY; in this case it's sources such as any television channel he has worked for, any movie listing on a website (which are generally derived from the movie's press releases), an award granter's own website, Mammootty own website, the website of any NGO that he is worked for, etc. The issue with the use of primary source in the article is that they don't help determine due weight, for example Mammootty has received a lot of awards throughout his career but if some award from a minor function is not mentioned in independent news coverage at all then it wouldn't have sufficient weight for inclusion in contrast to say major awards which are widely covered. Tayi Arajakate Talk 08:49, 12 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Paavamjinn, Tayi Arajakate has been unresponsive when it comes to their GA reviews, so since over two months have passed since you requested the extension and have made a number of edits to the article this month, it makes sense to check in to see whether you still wish to continue here. I've requested a second opinion/new reviewer in case that's true, but thought I should check. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:08, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    @BlueMoonsetYou can check the article and help me in making this article a GA. I was also little busy with my career. If need any changes please help me by commenting and I will rectify it soon as possiblePaavamjinn (talk) 08:41, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comments[edit]

  • The primary issue with the article is that it's not comprehensive. The entire section on acting career is not much more than a list of films in sentence form. It can be significantly expanded and needs to include his career progression, i.e his roles, the reception of his performances, the significance of any particular film, etc. Please take a look at other GA class or FA class articles, for example Shah Rukh Khan.
  • The article has an over-reliance on primary sources in certain areas which needs to be replaced or supported by secondary ones. For instance the entirety of the part regarding Pain and Palliative Care Society is sourced to the organisation's website itself.
  • Lot of the sections are a disjoint group of factoids. For instance his films on other languages should be in chronological order in his acting career itself, it should describe how he came to star in a non-Malayalam film, etc. Another would be the one on him, Mohanlal and Dileep accounting for 97% of the box-office revenue of Malayalam cinema which is followed by a number of unrelated things. Is there nothing more one can be said about it?
  • The lead doesn't necessarily need citations as long as the same material is sourced in the body, see WP:LEADCITE. The lead itself is problematic however. For example, the second paragraph is a list of the ffilms he debuted in, in various industries and almost entirely skips his work in the Malayalam industry, consider that the lead should highlight the most significant aspects of the subject. It'll need a re-write after the article is expanded.
  • Lines such as "His acting and contributions to Malayalam cinema have been praised by his contemporaries in the Indian film industry." are superfluous and don't add much, instead the article should document what praise he received, from whom did he receive it, when did he receive it, including review commentaries of his performance, how it has evolved over the years, etc.
  • Many of the images are marked as own work but they don't appear to be so, please ensure all pictures used are copyright compliant.
  • The article at present uses a number of poor sources.
  • Indiainfo.com is a self published sources in ref 71 and 143.
  • Filmibeat is a gossip site for in 140 and 145.
  • International Business Times (RSP entry) for ref 17, 82, 103, 105 and 108.
  • Ref 131 185 is a dead link to a questionable source (amazonaws.com).
  • Note the above isn't a comprehensive list.

Assessment[edit]

  1. Comprehension: The comprehensive is adequate.
    2. Pass Pass
    Criteria Notes Result
    (a) (prose) The prose is generally clear and concise. Pass Pass
    (b) (MoS) The article is compliant with the manual of style. Pass Pass
  2. Verifiability: Issues with sources exist.
    3. Criteria Notes Result
    (a) (references) The article has a list of references and in-line citations for all material in the body. Pass Pass
    (b) (citations to reliable sources) Citations need improvement. Fail Fail
    (c) (original research) Original research or synthesis not found from spot checks. Pass Pass
    (d) (copyvio and plagiarism) No copyright issues or plagiarism found. Pass Pass
  3. Comprehensiveness: The article is not comprehensive.
    4. Fail Fail
    Criteria Notes Result
    (a) (major aspects) The article does not adequately cover all major aspects of the subject. Fail Fail
    (b) (focused) The article remains on topic without unnecessary deviations. Pass Pass
  4. Neutrality: Some attention is necessary, primary sources need to be reduced as well.
    5. Neutral Neutral
    Notes Result
    Some issues exist, see pt. 5 above. Neutral Neutral
  5. Stability: The article is stable.
    6. Pass Pass
    Notes Result
    No ongoing edit warring or content disputes present. Pass Pass
  6. Illustration:
    7. Criteria Notes Result
    (a) (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales) The reviewer has left no comments here Neutral Undetermined
    (b) (appropriate use with suitable captions) The reviewer has left no comments here Neutral Undetermined

Second reviewer[edit]

Picking this up as an abandoned review. Footnote numbers refer to this version. Spotchecks:

  • Earwig flags "The film focuses on the prison life of Vaikom Muhammad Basheer and the love between him and Narayani, a female inmate of the prison, who remains unseen throughout the film." It has been copied from this site and is not supported by the given source, FN 80.
  • FN 27 cites "and it is one of the finest investigative thrillers ever made in Malayalam cinema."
  • FN 39 & 40 together cite "In 1986 alone, he acted in about 35 films, including a brief appearance in Mazha Peyyunnu Maddalam Kottunnu. In 1986, he teamed up with I. V. Sasi for the film Aavanazhi, which was written by T. Damodaran. Mammootty appears in the lead role as Balram, a police officer. Both Inspector Balram and Balram vs. Tharadas are sequels to this film. The film was a huge hit at the box office. The film ran for over 200 days. The film was remade in Tamil, Telugu, and Hindi.". The first sentence isn't covered by either source. One source has "The film, which had a stellar star cast, ran for over 200 days. Later, the movie was remade in Tamil, Telugu, and Hindi." This phrasing in the article is too close to this.
  • FN 47 cites "In the same year, he played Balagopalan, a school teacher who is deemed mad by society owing to a superstitious belief, in the drama Thaniyavarthanam, directed by Sibi Malayil and written by A. K. Lohithadas". The source has "The 1987 film directed by Sibi Malayil marked the debut of scriptwriter A.K. Lohithadas, who would pen many more memorable roles for Mammootty. As a schoolteacher who is supposed to have inherited the mental illness in the family, he gave an unforgettable performance." This is at least imprecise; there's no mention of superstition in the source. "Mad" and "mentally ill" aren't really the same, but that's a marginal issue; also "by society" is not really in the source.
  • FN 90 "Mammootty played the character Putturumees in the movie Soorya Manasam, who is a mentally challenged man who lives with his mother in a small village. Mammootty has crticially acclaimed for the role and the movie is based on 1937 American Novel Of Mice and Men by John Steinbeck." I fixed the typo. The source has "Inspired by the 1937 American novel Of Mice and Men by John Steinbeck, Director Viji Thampi tells us the story of a slow-witted lad Putturumees who is raised by his single mother in a village." This doesn't cover "critically acclaimed", though since it's on a list of classics I think it's more or less OK.

I'm going to stop here and fail the article: four of the five footnotes I looked at don't accurately cite the material, so I would recommend going through the whole article and verifying the source/text integrity; and the Earwig issue is on top of that. In addition, I see numerous places where copyediting is needed, just from skimming the article looking for footnotes to spotcheck: "The movie has ran over 300 days in theatres", "In the same year Mammootty done two Tamil films", "in the same year, Mammootty done a guest appearance", "The movie has two climaxes, and Shah Rukh Khan was supposed to do a pivotal role, but didn't happen due to unknown reasons": these are all from a single paragraph, and are not an exhaustive list of errors just in that paragraph. I would recommend asking GOCE for a copyedit before renominating. I'm sorry to fail this after you've waited so long for a review, but the article is not ready for GA nomination. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 15:45, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Mike Christie can you please clarify what is the main error. Are ypu mentioning that I copied the content from those websites or did I need to reduce the source counts.Paavamjinn (talk) 08:36, 23 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
There is not a single main error. The article’s English has many mistakes, the sources do not always correctly cite what is in the article, and the phrasing in the article is too close to the original source in some cases (see WP:CLOSEPARA). There may be other problems that would prevent promotion — I did not check all the GA criteria. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 08:47, 23 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Informa review[edit]

  • Citation part need to be organized, for instance in some places template cite web is used instead of cite news, multiple wikilinks.
  • Citation parameters need to be arranged in uniform format.(title-url-work-date-etc..)
  • Some citations are in Malyalam/Tamil language which need a mention using template.
  • Nationality need to be specified in infobox.
  • Academics (School, college and early career) need to be specified by year of completion/practice.
  • A brief mention of Religious beliefs, Political inclination, Sports and other activities. Omer123hussain (talk) 15:37, 2 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    @Omer123hussain how can i find the citations that are needed to be modified. How can i check in which all are the citations need to be corrected.Paavamjinn (talk) 09:47, 14 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    @Omer123hussain Can you please cross check regarding the references. I added the language for the different links and removed unreliable sources. Can you give me some more idea on the last two points. In many malayalam actors articles religios or political aspects hasn't added.Paavamjinn (talk) 13:42, 24 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Paavamjinn; please find citation style at Wikipedia:Citing sources , it may help you : )--Omer123hussain (talk) 11:21, 17 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Paavamjinn; References need a lot of correction.
  • If the URL is live, then no need to add archive links.
  • Need a uniform and simple style such as "title-url-author-Publisher-date-accessdate"
  • Almost all the citations are from newspapers, and the article does not contain any citations from Books or Journals.
  • In the encyclopedia especially if it is about a celebrity we need to add the religious beleif-if they follow any religion it needs to be mentioned which religion and if they do not follow it also needs to be mentioned, Political-need to mention political alignment information if any.
  • Celebrities usually have controversies and critics, so need a section or subsection with this topic. :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 14:51, 24 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
For controversies, you can use the following citaions mammootty and his 4 controversial-beauties, this or this. --Omer123hussain (talk) 15:01, 24 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Omer123hussainOk will have a cross-check on it and will make the changes requiredPaavamjinn (talk) 15:04, 24 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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