Talk:Madiun Affair

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Hi all. I created this from content I created at Indonesian National Revolution. Hopefully to see it grow. But of course, only with complete and reliable in-line cites. thanks --Merbabu (talk) 12:49, 14 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Merbabu---thank you for putting in the effort to produce this article. I also hope it grows. I am making some changes that I think making it a little more neutral. At the moment it comes across as anti-communist, presenting the Left forces as simply rebelling against the "republicans", as if the communist and other leftists weren't themselves republicans. It also treats the right wing leaders as the "proper" authority, but the whole point is that both sides of this conflict had claims to authority, and were themselves challenging another force that also saw itself as the "proper" authority (i.e. the Dutch colonial government). I encourage others to read the key sources on Madiun (including PKI accounts, as well as key academic works like Ann Swift's monograph) and flesh this entry out avoiding Cold War hysterics like "communist betrayal". The edit is rough and needs re-working, with good referencing to *detailed* sources on Madiun---like accounts from the protagonists and academic studies specifically focussed on the rebellion, rather than generalist histories (which have their own broad political biases) like Friend and Ricklefs.— Slmiller6 (talk) 01:34, 8 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I added a wikilink to the new Moewardi page, although I know little about Indonesian history. Frankly, the passive voice construction here seems pro-Communist, when what might've been going on was a three-way fight between the Dutch, non-Communist rebels (who ultimately succeeded), and Communist rebels. Given the era (but without the time to research deeply even in generalist histories and with due respect to Slmiller6), I doubt the PKI was very republican in fact--and the goal of the Maduin affair might've been a putsch to establish a totalitarian government. I'd be interested to know who "executed" the PKI leaders involved in the Madiun affair and for what--was it the Dutch for kidnappings and murders such as those of Moewardi? Or had a non-Communist government actually set up a judicial system at the time?Jweaver28 (talk) 11:35, 28 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]