Talk:Ljudevit Gaj

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Ethnicity[edit]

Can we really call him a Croat? Gay was ethnic German who was Illyrian, a Slav. Where ever I read about him I can't find not one sentence where he is being called a Croat. If we won't say he is German, then he is Yugoslav. His political views are different from views of Janko Drašković, Gay was pan-slavist, never considered him self as Croat, but as Yugoslav, ie Illyrian.--Wusten fuchs 11:35, 3 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

No one is calling him a Croat in the page as far as I can tell, he is described as being Croatian in the opening sentence. The term Croatian is different than the term Croat. "Croatian" describes the nationality regardless of ethnicity, while Croat implies and ethnic Croat. The first paragraph states he was born in Croatia to ethnic German parents. There is no possible way he could be called a Yugoslav since they did not exist until the 20th century when the Kingdom of Yugoslavia was first created. --Jesuislafete (talk) 16:04, 3 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It's in the infobox. As you can see. I'm just searching for approval of other users to change that. --Wusten fuchs 14:11, 4 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, I see. That should be changed then. But then again is 'ethnicity' really necessary..? --Jesuislafete (talk) 17:00, 4 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It's not necessary, and it is unclear also, so... better remove it.--Wusten fuchs 19:34, 4 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

We can call him a "Croat" if the sources call him that, but it must be made crystal clear that the guy was of German descent ("German Croatian"). Its another one of those interesting, yet little-known facts Wikipedia should be there to inform about.

I will also make an explicit note with regard to the fact that he never considered himself Croatian, but rather "Illyrian". -- Director (talk) 14:34, 12 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Changed translation of book title[edit]

I just changed Gaj’s book’s title from "Brief Basics of the Croatian-Slavonic Orthography" to "Concise Basis for a Croatian-Slavonic Orthography" and feel a little queasy about it, so I thought to at least record my reasons here.

The new title is much closer to the combined meanings expressed in the two original titles. The Croatian title literally translates as "Concise Basis of Croatian-Slavonic Orthography" (Croatian doesn’t use articles) and the German title as "Short Design of a Croatian-Slavonic Orthography" (using the indefinite article). To express the intention of the word "design" I changed "of" into "for".

The main doubt in my mind is: Should the title here in Wikipedia be a good translation, or is it more important to reflect the title as it is commonly used in scientific literature? I haven’t really researched the latter, but I did get many more hits googling "Brief Basics of the Croatian-Slavonic Orthography"… --Geke (talk) 04:48, 16 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]