Talk:List of ways people dishonor the dead

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Requested move 8 December 2021[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: No consensus to move. (non-admin closure) Red Slash 22:04, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

List of ways people dishonor the dead → ? – There may be a topic here, but if it's to be kept it definitely needs a rename to a less subjective name. What is "dishonor" is very subjective. For example, criticism or revealing negative information about a deceased person may be considered dishonor even if it's correct. Human sacrifice, listed here, is perceived as a honor in some cultures (t · c) buidhe 15:29, 8 December 2021 (UTC) — Relisting. BegbertBiggs (talk) 00:01, 17 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

List of forms of corpse desecration might be one option. Fundamentally, though, I think this article has a problem with its scope - it's mixed between acts of symbolic dishonoring (damnatio memoriae, decanonization) and acts of corpse desecration that don't have any particular connection to honor (body snatching, necrophilia); there's also the issue of subjectivity, as mentioned by the nominator. Whichever title is ultimately chosen, the article will definitely need rewriting to meet WP:NLIST. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 19:37, 9 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Probably should be deleted and replaced with categories. BilledMammal (talk) 05:16, 12 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that the current content of this list article does not really admit a concise title that covers all the list items. I think AfD might be a better venue for discussing whether an article like this should exist, with or without some rescoping. Only when we have a clear scope can we have a conversation about how to apply WP:AT. Pinging the article's creator, Bruxton, in case they haven't seen this discussion yet. Colin M (talk) 05:50, 16 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. My first thought was that it wasn't even encyclopedic as it stands, and so I was looking for ways to save the content. But when I looked at the referencing and the companion article List of ways people honor the dead I changed my mind completely. They are both good topics, and the pages are well written and researched. Andrewa (talk) 08:44, 25 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per @Andrewa. I found the article at first questionable for the reason in OP, but I went through the sourcing and I think it's actually very well supported. I would accept the alternative title "List of forms of corpse desecration" as a distant second choice. — Shibbolethink ^(♔ ^♕) 13:20, 26 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak support for "List of forms of corpse desecration". I agree that the current title is too subjective; an act of dishonour in one culture may be a mark of esteem in another (cf. Herodotus 3.38). "Desecration" isn't perfect either, but it's better. Along with this rename, the article would have to be heavily trimmed (by my estimation, less than half the current entries could be described as "corpse desecration"), but I think this is the least worst option here. Dan from A.P. (talk) 21:34, 26 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I've removed some entries which I don't think would belong in any version of this article, so now there's only a couple of entries which wouldn't fit the proposed title. Dan from A.P. (talk) 22:01, 26 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Anybody else think this article could do with a different title? Riffraff913 (talk) 16:54, 5 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have a suggestion? — Shibbolethink ^(♔ ^♕) 20:20, 5 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Not really. Riffraff913 (talk) 20:23, 5 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]