Talk:List of tomato cultivars

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White Queen tomato was nominated for deletion. The discussion was closed on 6 June 2016 with a consensus to merge. Its contents were merged into List of tomato cultivars. The original page is now a redirect to this page. For the contribution history and old versions of the redirected article, please see its history; for its talk page, see here.

Can we work on this?[edit]

While the list's survival of the AfD process indicates that it's a worthwhile list to have around, in its current form it's complete garbage. Any thoughts on reorganizing? Indeterminate vs. determinate strikes me as being rather more paraphyletic than necessary, seeing as how shape and size of fruit and determinacy of vine don't really coincide. Maybe start with the basic categories a seed catalog might use, such as Slicing, Beefsteak, Paste, Cherry, etc? Haikupoet 05:50, 13 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree: The fact that Tatianas Tomatobase has a number of contributors and many more tomatoes listed than here probably shows that there is a lack of interest in maintaining this list. Mttfromplessey (talk) 16:02, 4 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, the organization is poor. Also agree that categorization by type is a better way to go (vs. by color, which is ridiculous IMHO). Perhaps order it in general order of size, starting with cherry tomatoes at the top, then beefsteak at the bottom? MsWhatsit 21:51, 4 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Clearly you have very little experience with tomatoes...they are usually organized by color. It would be absolutely silly to organize them by size. That'd be like organizing your cans of food alphabetically, or by label color; it has nothing to do with what people would actually use them for. Go to any large website listing or selling scores of cultivars of tomatoes, and they'll always be by color. --Kaz 23:48, 7 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm. Well, I just visited the websites of nearly a dozen gardening and seed supply companies, and all of them either organize their tomato varieties in straight alphabetical order, or organize them by general class (i.e., beefsteak, cherry, paste, midsize, etc.). Examples: http://www.burpee.com/category/vegetables/tomatoes.do, http://www.oscseeds.com/list-2category.asp?secondid=SC0050, http://www.naturalhub.com/grow_vegetable_cultivars_tomato.htm. I couldn't find tomatoes organized primarily by color anywhere. Now, I agree that classification by color is useful, but not as the top-level division. Maybe that wasn't clear in my earlier comment -- I think it would make the most sense to have them classified first as "beefsteak" (or whatever) and then "red/pink/yellow/etc." within that class. Would be interested in examples of tomatoes classified by color as a top-level classification, however, as I am willing to believe they are out there and I just couldn't find them. MsWhatsit 15:37, 8 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

There's a simple solution; just make it a single sortable table. Sort by color, size, name, determinancy, etc. See example template below. --Chapka (talk) 15:06, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that there is no point in this particular list. Even if EVERY tomato were listed, it would be HUGE and difficult to contain in just one list. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.1.59.153 (talk) 00:40, 14 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed new format[edit]

The reorganization talk seems to have fizzled out, so I thought I'd take a stab at it and see what people think. I'm proposing one list, alphabetical by common name, with the following categories:

Name	Days	Resistance	Pollination	Fruit size	Fruit type	Vine type	Color	Description	Sources
1884	78		Heirloom	16-32 oz.	beefsteak	Indeterminate	Red	Said to have been discovered by James Lyde Williamson near Friendly, West Virginia in a pile of flood debris from the Ohio River in 1884
Abraham Lincoln	80 to 90		Heirloom	12-16 oz.	globe	Indeterminate	Red	Introduced in Illinois in 1923	Shumway (2008)
Early Girl	50	VF	F1 Hybrid	4-5 oz	globe	Indeterminate	Red	Very early, smooth round/oval fruit	Jung (2008) Territorial (2008)

The main changes are:

Size and shape categories combined into "Fruit type"
Addition of a "Color" category
Addition of the "Sources" category

I'm especially interested in the "Sources" category, which would list catalogs from which each is available; this would let the list act to some extent as a seed catalog aggregator and save gardeners time.

Comments?--Chapka (talk) 14:01, 16 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Tweaked a bit; made the list sortable. Comments? Chapka (talk) 15:05, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

the main list isn't sortable anymore -- if it ever was. can someone add the sorting feature to it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.71.195.134 (talk) 10:43, 17 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Missing Types of Tomatoes?[edit]

What about Creole Tomatoes? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.135.14.98 (talk) 14:57, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Micro tom tomatoes are missing. Those are very small ones, used for experimentation and for small-scale at-home growing.--188.84.4.121 (talk) 17:52, 15 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

In New Jersey we have the Jersey Tomato, which I think might be several related varieties. http://njfarmfresh.rutgers.edu/JerseyTomato.html Toyotabedzrock (talk) 22:32, 22 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Add More Tomatoes?[edit]

"Is he kidding, add more tomatoes to the list". Yes I know there are just too many for anyone to remember them all, but here are some links to websites that have some for anyone who lusts for more. I DO! Just select, copy and paste in the address.

Black Tomato Seeds www.seedfest.co.uk/seeds/tomatoes/black/black.html Rogers/Syngenta Seeds www.rogersadvantage.com/products/tomato.asp Heirloom Tomato Seeds home.iprimus.com.au/ironbarkbob/seed/ Sweetbaby Girls gurneys.com/product.asp?pn=63031&Sweet+Baby+Girl+Hybrid+Tomato+Seed&bhcd2=1220752570

'Typical Climate'?[edit]

I'm puzzled by these words - 'in a typical climate' in the 'Fourth of July' entry. Typical of what? I think that where I live has a typical climate but as that is Johannesburg in the southern hemisphere, I strongly suspect that was not the intention of the comment. What about changing the comment to 'in a moderate northern hemisphere climate." ?

Colinvlr (talk) 16:19, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The list is completely dominated by American varieties, with a couple of British ones thrown in to make up the numbers. It's understandable why this should be but it's hardly a global perspective. --Ef80 (talk) 14:58, 19 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

 I was thinking the opposite (a resident of Florida). I have never heard of 90% of the varieties listed here.NB,however, we have problems with indeterminates in this region as the growing season is short--too hot in the summer for fruit to set.(Cultivars to deal with the heat have been developed, but aren't widely grown yet.)But what home gardeners grow in New York or Oregon, I have no idea.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:CF99:2080:41E3:BF1A:1906:2679 (talk) 00:00, 30 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Growth[edit]

The Growth category where every single tomato variety says indeterminate is not helpful and could probably be removed. Just my 2 cents. WesUGAdawg (talk) 02:30, 8 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The article List of heirloom tomato cultivars should be merged with this and then deleted[edit]

There's no reason for two seperate lists, especially when this list already indicates if the fruit is an heirloom or not.--Stvfetterly (talk) 17:41, 16 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Prefer early/mid/late season to fixed DTM?[edit]

The "days to maturity" is very variable according to climate, etc. such that many experts prefer to simply describe a tomato's time to harvest in relative terms to other tomatoes in the same plot: very early, early, mid, late season, etc. What are the thoughts on changing the DTM column to a relative value? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pouletic (talk • contribs) 03:37, 28 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Yield[edit]

What is missing here is the average yield per plant by weight. This is almost the most important criteria together with taste (for which there is also no column). --Aspro (talk) 19:30, 6 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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