Talk:List of mills in Wigan

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Elizabeth Mill[edit]

{ {TMtr|Elizabeth Mills|Wigan|SD 582 051 53°32′28″N 2°37′55″W / 53.541°N 2.632°W / 53.541; -2.632| } } /remove extra spaces

Welcome to new IP editor- is there a reason why this has been lost? Can we now say the rest of the text is error free? --ClemRutter (talk) 00:21, 29 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]


No, actually. The whole article is packed with errors. Starting with the title, 'List of mills in Wigan', when most of the mills in the list weren't really in Wigan. Considering that the Metropolitan Borough of Wigan was only created in 1972, along with Greater Manchester, it's wrong to suggest that mills which were once part of Lancashire's spinning industry were actually not in Lancashire at all but in the 'Metropolitan borough of Wigan', Greater Manchester.

Wikipedia is used for the education of pupils in primary schools. Let's not have them learning the wrong story. For example, if a mill was in Golborne, let it be listed as being in Golborne, NOT Wigan. Brookside Mill, Parkside Mill, Upper Mill, Bank Heath Mill were all in Golborne. Golborne, as it happens, was classified as being within the Warrington district at the time the mills were in operation. The co-ordinates are wrong too. Brookside Mill, in Golborne, was not in Shropshire! 92.239.90.145 (talk) 08:41, 20 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Sorting[edit]

I have attempted to sort by township from personal knowledge in the Leigh, Atherton, Astley & Tyldesley areas. I am not so certain about Hindley & Wigan. I hope to add several more (with references) at some point. Hope I haven't trodden on any toes :-) J3Mrs (talk) 09:04, 16 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Pemberton[edit]

Can anybody tell me which of the mills in here, if any, were in Pemberton? Are there any others that I can research? Otherwise I shall leave them in Wigan. J3Mrs (talk) 13:24, 23 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

This template is a nightmare-discussion[edit]

I think there is room for discussion here.

History[edit]

In 2008 there were editors around who didn't believe mills were notable and any attempt to record a mill was met with deletion before adequate references could be found- there was need to establish little order in this chaos. There were two books on hand- a rare book on the mills of the LCC and Farnie and Williams. So the strategy was to write a list article, and when enough data accumulated under the description- then transfer it to a stub. The cunning plan was to OCR the Farnie and Williams, and filter it and sort it in a spreadsheet- and from there build up a template- which could go directly into the page. The template{{TMtr}} was designed so that later it would form the basis of {{Infobox mill building}} allowing a stub to be created quickly. Generally it has worked well.

Improvements[edit]

Six years later the output format seems to hold up, but editing individual mills is a nightmare, the ruler helps 

{{TMtr|Mill|Location|Coords|Refs| Notes|Image|Architect| Built|Decomm|Demolished }}

as does grouping the fields while editing 

{{TMtr|Mill|Location
|Coords|Refs| Notes
|Image|Architect
|Built|Decomm|Demolished 
}}

but not a lot.

Discussion[edit]

I have often thought that most of our work could be done if we had a new template: {{TMsimple}} that can be used in simple cases, and this can be replaced by {{TMfull}} when needs be- or by named parameters. For instance Architech/Decommissioned/demolished are rarely used- refs should be at the end and be sfn aware?-- but it will be a stronger template if I have other folks ideas. Can I open this up to discussion.-- Clem Rutter (talk) 09:46, 12 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know anything about templates and don't particularly want to. I have no idea what you're talking about above, all I can say is I have edited a lot of articles and I find editing this template the most difficult, annoying and frustrating thing I have done on wp. The "ruler" helps and it should have been put on the talk page of all these lists. I'm reasonably persistent but I think editing in this way is most off-putting. For goodness sake don't make any more. J3Mrs (talk) 16:31, 12 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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