Talk:List of gender identities

REMEMBER KIDS, THERE IS ONLY 2 GENDERS: MALE ABD FEMALE! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A03:D000:82:7BA7:FD70:AD52:69AB:5C50 (talk) 19:59, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Is it worth clarifying what this list means and its limitations?

I've seen a number of people cite this list as evidence of any number of arguments they have regarding gender identity, many of which don't really make sense given what gender identity is. It may be worth including the standard "this is a dynamic list that may never meet standards for completeness" disclaimer - since humanity's understanding of gender is constantly evolving and new terms are coined to describe particular facets of that human experience - as well as a statement clarifying something to the effect of, "As gender identity is a descriptive term, the terms in this list are not discrete categories; they are self-identified descriptors and often contain overlapping elements."

One could argue that the onus is on the reader to make sure they understand the meaning of the terms they're discussing, but I've seen enough people misunderstand this list that I think a clarification may be necessary as many readers seem uninterested in doing that extra research. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.248.161.159 (talk) 11:45, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

The article already begins with a wikilink to the gender identity article, as well as a broad definition of gender identity sourced to the Cleveland Clinic. According to core content policies, we cannot add original research - we need reliable sources, so I would be more supportive of adding the Template:Dynamic a-list with support from sources. If there is a concern about reliance on this list, you may wish to point people to the General disclaimer that applies to all Wikipedia articles. Thank you, Beccaynr (talk) 16:04, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

I'm debating whether to add descriptions

Title says it all. Reply with your thoughts. Champ9642358 (talk) 04:22, 22 May 2022 (UTC)

I mean it's just a list. I sell eggs (talk) 17:18, 26 November 2022 (UTC)

Some already have descriptions, so I would say go for it. Trans (wo)man and cis (wo)man might not need descriptions though. --Roundish ⋆tc) 21:50, 26 November 2022 (UTC)

I added information from reliable sources and plan to continue expansion when possible. Thanks, Beccaynr (talk) 23:11, 26 November 2022 (UTC)

Unsourced

I've moved unsourced terms to the Talk page until reliable sources can be added:

A

• Abimegender
• Adamas gender
• Aesthetigender
• Affectugender
• Agenderflux
• Alexigender
• Aliusgender
• Amaregender
• Ambigender
• Ambonec
• Amicagender
• Anesigender
• Angenital
• Anogender
• Anongender
• Antegender
• Anxiegender
• Apagender
• Apconsugender
• Astergender
• Astral gender
• Autogender
• Axigender

B

• Biogender
• Blurgender
• Boyflux
• Burstgender

C

• Caelgender
• Cassgender
• Cassflux
• Cavusgender
• Cendgender
• Ceterogender
• Ceterofluid
• Cloudgender
• Collgender
• Colorgender
• Commogender
• Condigender

D

• Deliciagender
• Demifluid
• Demiflux
• Domgender
• Duragender
• Demifaun — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yuimad (talk • contribs) 07:55, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

E

• Egogender
• Epicene
• Esspigender
• Exgender
• Existigender

F

• Femfluid
• Femgender
• Fluidflux

G

• Gemigender
• Genderblank
• Genderflow
• Genderfuzz
• Genderpuck
• Gender witched
• Girlflux
• Genderfaun — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yuimad (talk • contribs) 07:59, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

H

• Healgender

M

• Mirrorgender

Beccaynr (talk) 03:10, 1 June 2022 (UTC) - updated Beccaynr (talk) 04:28, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

Identities that mean the same

Should we compress and merge identities that basically mean the same thing? like for example all of the trans relates identities could technically be compressed into just transgender as an identity right? Particularbeach (talk) 08:33, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 June 2023

hello wikipedia, Thanks for reading this request. I saw on the gender identity page that there are many words to indicate culture-specific genderqueer identities. I am an italian queer person (I identify in the non-binary umbrella) and i was wondering whether you could allow me to edit the page in oder to add a word that is used to describe a specrtum of genders in the part of italy I come from. I live in a little regions in the mountains and our folklore is not talked about a lot in foreign countries; I wanted to add a section to this page to share my culture and educate other people on this theme. I also believe that allowing my request would be useful for spreading the message that gender spectrum and non-binarity isn't something that was invented in the past few years, but are century-old concepts that occur in many cultures. If you were weondering what the word that I wanted to add is, i'll tell you: it is "giacufumna", which indicates people whose spirit is considered to be ancient and beyond gender binary. Non many people have heard of this term before, and educating them is the reason why I am asking you to allow to edit this page. I would like to thank you all for your time and I sincerely hope you wil accept my request. Ginoginone (talk) 19:01, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 19:02, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

• Hi Ginoginone, thank you for your request. If you have links or citations to sources, please list the sources here, and editors can review them. Thanks again, Beccaynr (talk) 19:08, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

FTM as gender identity?

This strikes me as a little bit cisnormative. By definition, someone who is FTM is just M and we don't need to illegitimate that transition by classifying FTM as separate from M. Chamaemelum (talk) 06:41, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

Absolutely, yes, but I think this is indicative of a more general problem with this article and I'll start a new section for that. DanielRigal (talk) 11:23, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

One way to address this could be to add a reliable source, (and preferably more than one) to build out the short definition, e.g. for FTM, something like, 'This term is an option on Facebook and Tinder. According to [ABC and XYZ sources], this term can be understood to be cisnormative, because [...]." This list is intended to be built from reliable sources, and based on what is currently available, it appears this term is used on social media and is legally-protected from discrimination (at least in New York), but we can add further depth based on reliable sources. Beccaynr (talk) 14:17, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

Agender is another suspicious one. Wikipedia defines it as "are those who identify as having no gender or gender identity". Does the agender community associate being agender a gender identity itself? It seems like it may not belong here for the same reason why atheist may not belong on a list of religions. Chamaemelum (talk) 04:43, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

Agender appears to be well-sourced in this article as a gender identity. Beccaynr (talk) 05:01, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

Rename article?

This article is called "List of gender identities" but is that really what it is? A lot of the things here are not gender identities and, furthermore, I don't think that gender identities are even enumerable. So what is it really? Should we be considering a rename to something like "List of gender related terminology"? If so, what is the optimal name? DanielRigal (talk) 11:27, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

I think we may be able address this in a sourced paragraph, but keep the WP:COMMONNAME for now, based on the weight of most of the sources that discuss 'gender identity.' I do see that we have sources added as this article has developed that may be more broadly referring to gender for some terms. However, based on my general research in this topic area, but without doing a deep dive right now, I am thinking about how to balance an explanation that what many sources refer to as 'gender identity' can also be understood (by sources) as 'gender' - ultimately, further content needs to be based on representing fairly, proportionately, and, as far as possible, without editorial bias, all the significant views that have been published by reliable sources on a topic.

So for now, I think the weight of the sources seems to favor the current article title, but if there are specific issues or ways to reorganize certain aspects of the article (e.g. certain terms that are commonly understood by sources as genders, not 'gender identities') then I think we can address that by considering changes to the article structure. Beccaynr (talk) 14:57, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

I agree that the list isn't really used as a list of gender identities. For example, is eunuch really considered a gender identity? Chamaemelum (talk) 04:15, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

• I have reviewed and removed content that was added by a blocked sock, and I think this may help address concerns raised in this section. This article is protected indefinitely, but attempts to disrupt the article can still happen. Thank you, Beccaynr (talk) 04:59, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose rename. changing it to gender-related terminology would open the scope of the article. We would add transgender concepts such as Passing (gender) and Deadnaming. I know that some umbrella terms are listed as gender identities, when some of them are just descriptors of gender experiences. Even though I don't agree, many consider them to be genders. Also, intergender is one thing, but intersex isn't a gender identity. Why is it in the list? It's different if they use it for their legal gender. Queer is also used as a gender for some, but that's their intrapersonal self-determination. MikutoH (talk) 17:40, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

  Intersex is sourced as capable of being defined as a gender indentity; the addition of content from sources may help clarify this (e.g. "the term intersex continues to be recognized by the LGBTQIA+ community and has gained more traction as an identity within the last decade."). I removed Queer in my recent BRV sweep through the article [1], but reliable sources (as well as a brief explanation) may make it a reasonable addition (e.g. "many people today use it as an umbrella term to describe fluid sexualities and genders"; e.g. "Queer is a term used by those wanting to reject specific labels of romantic orientation, sexual orientation and/or gender identity."). Beccaynr (talk) 18:00, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

Genderfae

May I suggest adding "Genderfae", a.k.a. "Fae". Sources at wikt:Citations:genderfae. --2001:1C06:19CA:D600:9C7C:51D:415:B9DB (talk) 04:55, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

 Done Xan747 ✈️ 🧑‍✈️ 16:56, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 December 2023

add 'god' to list of G genders. add 'dragonkin' to list of D genders.

I nathaniel michael aaron burman added it and wrote about the addition while I added it in journalistic style in my book. In the Book of Nathaniel: https://www.amazon.com/Book-Nathaniel-052621-070421-Shadows-ebook/dp/B0BM6R2V3X

someone else added goddess out there. the dragonkin gender is a love gender to a goddess. It is not a sexuality. Wikigigablitz (talk) 18:35, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Really read the link at WP:Reliable Sources, a self-published book is not such a source Cannolis (talk) 20:47, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 31 January 2024

add Genderfaun to the list of gender identities under 'g' 162.247.80.11 (talk) 17:57, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. I'm not opposed to adding this, I just need a reliable source before I can do so. Sideswipe9th (talk) 17:59, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

The inclusion of gender non comforming

Gender non comforming is not a gender identity. It means to not conform to gender roles. I think it should be deleted from the page. DarknessGoth777 (talk) 00:39, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

Intersex is not a gender identity

Intersex by definition is restricted to those conditions in which typical chromosomal categorization patterns is inconsistent with phenotypic sex, or in which the phenotype is not easily classifiable as either male or female. 2601:601:8080:3350:20DB:C00C:413D:EA6D (talk) 05:25, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

What in the green grass is this?

How does this page exist? It should be reported. 2001:818:DABB:9900:94C2:2E61:F690:1B4D (talk) 04:50, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

The point of Wikipedia is to report facts. Whether or not you personally happen to believe that these genders are real, the fact of it is that people do identify as these genders and there is reliable sourcing to back up these claims. Flaming Hot Mess of Confusion (talk) 13:34, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Identity vs expression vs biology

There are issues with several entries on this list:

1. Several of these are not "genders" but gender expression. Androgyny for example, is either having naturally gender ambiguous features or a form of gender expression. From Androgyny: "Androgyny is the possession of both masculine and feminine characteristics". This list should be evaluated and make an distinction between gender expression and gender identity.

2. Intersex is not a gender. Intersex refers to someone born with born male and female characteristics. Gender identity is how someone identifies, regardless of their birth gender. If you are intersex, you will remain intersex regardless of your gender identity.

I'm not knowledgable enough on all of these identities to be comfortable making these changes and I'm not sure if this is something that should get consensus but hopefully someone more informed then me can make these changes. Flaming Hot Mess of Confusion (talk) 13:30, 4 April 2024 (UTC)