Talk:List of airports in the Philippines

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Silay City Airport[edit]

Although Silay Airport may be called the Silay City Airport of International Standards, eventually it would have to revert to proper naming procedures, which is Silay City International Airport. Keeping the original name is tantamount to keeping the original name of General Santos International Airport, which is the General Santos International Standard Airport or something like that. --Sky Harbor 00:05, 2 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There have been many debates about the official name of the airport, but I'd like to quote President Arroyo during her speech at the Infra Conference for Central Philippines Super Region, "It's called Bacolod-Silay because it's located in Silay but in all the international codes, they call it the Bacolod airport so the Japanese creditors said that we have to keep the word Bacolod there." So that's it, it's called the Bacolod-Silay International Airport. (Ref: http://www.ops.gov.ph/speeches2007/speech2007_jul13.htm) - Xeltran 09:13, 3 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

To keep up with the press also (since they too ultimately decide how to name the airport de facto), I changed the name to Bacolod-Silay City International Airport. It seems that the press has been keeping "City" more often than not. --Sky Harbor 13:43, 4 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Kalibo Airport[edit]

Shouldn't Kalibo Airport be transferred to unclassified international airports for it already has international flights to Seoul? -chris^_^ 13:10, 16 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Kalibo Airport getting international airport status is still pending with the ATO. --Sky Harbor 09:00, 31 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

IATA code discrepancy[edit]

The South Jersey Regional Airport article says it is IATA code LLY and not Liloy. Slambo (Speak) 19:16, 19 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

http://www.nationsonline.org/oneworld/airport_code.htm lists:
  • ABQ Albuquerque International USA, NM (listed as Alabat Airport in this article)
  • BCB Blacksburg Virginia Tech USA, VA (listed as Bantayan Airport in this article)
  • BGM Greater Binghamton Airport Johnson City USA, NY (listed as Guimaras Airport in this article)
  • BGN Brueggen R.A.F. Germany (listed as Bagabag Airport in this article)
  • BNQ Baganga Baganga Philippines (not listed in this article)
  • BOS Boston Logan International USA, MA (listed as Borongan Airport in this article)
  • CSM Clinton Sherman USA, OK (listed as Catbalogan Airport in this article)
  • CUJ Culion Culion Philippines (not listed in this article)
  • DSG Dilasag Dilasag Philippines (not listed in this article)
  • HIL Shillavo Shillavo Ethiopia (listed as Hilongos Airport in this article)
  • IBA Ibadan Ibadan Nigeria (listed as Iba Airport by this article)
  • ICO Sicogon Island Sicogon Island Philippines (not listed in this article)
  • LCN Balcanoona Balcanoona Australia (listed as Lucena Airport by this article)
  • LGN Linga Linga Linga Linga Papua New Guinea (listed as Lingayen Airport by this article)
  • LGP Legaspi Legaspi Philippines (not listed in this article)
  • LLY Mount Holly Burlington County USA, NJ (listed as Liloy Airport by this article)
  • MBY Moberly Moberly USA, MO (listed as Malaybalay Airport by this article)
  • MSL Sheffield Florence/Muscle Sh/Sheffield Airport USA, AL (listed as Wasig Airport by this article)
  • NCP Luzon Island Cubi Pt NAS Philippines (not listed in this article)
  • NOP Mactan Island Nab Philippines (not listed in this article)
  • NSP Sangley Point NAF Philippines (not listed in this article)
  • PLI Palm Island Palm Island Saint Vincent and the Grenadines (listed as Palanan Airport in this article)
  • PML Port Moller AFS USA, AK (listed as Pinamalayan Airport in this article)
  • RSL Russell Russell USA, KS (listed as Rosales Airport in this article)
  • SAA Saratoga Shively USA, WY (listed as Guiuan Airport in this article)
  • SGL Manila Sangley Point NAS Philippines (not listed in this article)
  • SIA Xi An Xiguan PR China (listed as Siargao Airport in this article)
  • SQJ Shehdi Shehdi Ethiopia (listed as Siquijor Airport in this article)
  • SSV Siasi Siasi Philippines (not listed in this article)
  • SYB Seal Bay Seal Bay USA, AK (listed as Sorsogon Airport in this article)
  • TGB Tagbita Tagbita Philippines (not listed in this article)
  • TWT Tawitawi Tawitawi Philippines (not listed in this article)
  • XCN Coron Coron Philippines (not listed in this article)
it does not list:
  • CPP (listed as Calapan Airport in this article)
  • EUQ (listed as Evelio Javier Airport (Antique Airport) in this article)
  • IBB (listed as Itbayat Airport in this article)
  • JMQ (listed as Jomalig Airport in this article)
  • MSN (listed as Panan-awan Airport in this article)
  • NVL (listed as Biliran Airport in this article)
  • PRB (listed as Plaridel Airport (Bulacan Airport) in this article)
  • RZP (listed as Taytay Airport in this article)
  • UBY (listed as Ubay Airport in this article)
  • VGN (listed as Mindoro Airport in this article)
It looks like this article may have a few problems. Perhaps it is the practice in the Philippines to code domestic airports not listed by IATA with locally-assigned codes. Perhaps, even, this might be common practice elsewhere. Even if so, however, this article probably should not be calling codes which are not IATA codes by that designation. -- Boracay Bill 03:14, 20 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
It looks like someone decided to use the last 3 digits of the UN location code as the IATA code. This is simply incorrect. I fixed some, but the articles need to be updated. Vegaswikian (talk) 04:40, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Databases are very inconsistent on the issue of IATA codes. El Nido's, Siargao's and Taytay's codes are widely recognized in the Philippines, but I don't know abroad. The codes for Bagabag, Hilongos, Guiuan and Sorsogon were confirmed on another database (the Landings database), and are presumed to be shared with more than one airport as IATA codes are not unique, so I will restore these codes. The unlisted codes (NCP for Cubi Point, SGL for Sangley Point, NOP for Mactan AFB, CUJ for Culion Island) are either airbases, which are not listed, or are airports that the ATO has not yet classified, or there is a more predominant code (as in the case of Coron (XCN), which is listed as Busuanga (USU), or Tawi-Tawi (TWT), which is listed as Sanga-Sanga (SGS)). --Sky Harbor 01:59, 16 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
My understanding is as follows: "An an IATA airport code, also known an IATA location identifier or simply a location identifier, is a three-letter code designating many airports around the world, defined by the International Air Transport Association (IATA). They are published tri-annually in the IATA Airline Coding Directory. The assignment of these codes is governed by IATA Resolution 767, and it is administered by IATA headquarters in Montreal. IATA also provides codes for railway stations and for airport handling entities." (this info, taken from here agrees with and neatly sums up similar unofficial and informal info from other sources).
Databases may be inconsistent, but my understanding is that if a code is not assigned by IATA per Resolution 767 {which I have not seen), that code is not an IATA code and referring to it as such is improper and misleading. Also, if a code is not assigned to a particular location by IATA and the code/location pairing is not published by IATA, it is improper and misleading to designate such a pairing as an "IATA code" for that location. -- Boracay Bill (talk) 02:44, 16 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
IATA codes that are not unique are indicated the in the various databases as such. Unless someone can show an official IATA source that lists these codes they should not be included. As mentioned above, the codes are in fact a portion of a UN code and that is clearly not the IATA code. It is a location code that has nothing to do with an airport code. If these are used locally, then update the list to add the code, but not under IATA. I'll revert out the codes again since they are not IATA codes. Vegaswikian (talk) 03:02, 16 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Hmmm... If you're speaking of UN/LOCODE, a quick comparison of some entries in the two lists turns up differences. ABQ, BCB, and BGN from the list above don't seem to be listed in the UN/LOCODE list here; BGM is listed for Guimaras above but not listed as a UN/LOCODE, where Guimaras is listed as GMS; BNQ is listed for Baganga in both lists; etc. -- Boracay Bill (talk) 03:54, 16 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
It is also interesting that the UN database does not list any IATA codes for the Philippines. This implies that the location code and the IATA code are the same. However I don't see how this could be true across the board. So I guess there are still more questions then answers. Vegaswikian (talk) 06:21, 16 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Developing the UN Location Code says: "The five-letter code consists of the ISO two-letter country code set down in Recommendation No 3 and in ISO 3166, followed by three letters to represent the place name, offering more than 17000 permutations for each country. To the extent possible, the existing three-letter IATA location identifiers are used as the second part of UN/LOCODE." So, I guess UN/LOCODEs usually use IATA codes but that exceptions to this do exist.
AFAICT, the International Air Transport Association airport code article doesn't provide a supporting source for its location code info. Airport ABCs: An Explanation of Airport Identifier Codes is interesting, but not useful. this page contains a list which can be searched for "Philippines" (I count 24 codes), but no guarantees about completeness or currency. This page is page 1 of a 2 page list which shows 17 RP codes. This page lists 73 codes for the RP but does not cite a source -- it looks dodgey. This IATA page says, "The Airline Coding Directory (ACD) is the official industry source for airline designators, three-digit airline numeric codes and location identifiers. It is published twice a year on June 1st and December 1st." My guess is that it would be easy for someone in the U.S. to physically drop by a library or travel agent, copy down the list of RP codes from the ACD, and cite the ACD edition they came from as the supporting source for RP IATA Code info. -- Boracay Bill (talk) 08:08, 16 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Hmmm... Then there's http://www.google.com.ph/search?q=site%3Aen.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_airports_by_IATA_code+Philippines, which currently turns up eight hits. -- Boracay Bill (talk) 09:59, 16 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

ATO or CAAP?[edit]

Does the Air Transportation Office still operate the airports in the Philippines, or is it already the Civil Aviation Authority of the Philippines? pikdig (talk) 09:16, 10 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The media says it's already the CAAP, but we have no idea whether or not it really is. The CAAP doesn't even have a website. :( --Sky Harbor (talk) 09:53, 15 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

IATA Airport Codes[edit]

Re these recent edits (I haven't reviewed the entire article for this, though I did do that at some point in the distant past), I note that IATA Code LLY is listed at List of airports by IATA code: L as the code for the South Jersey Regional Airport in Mount Holly, New Jersey, United States and that the IATA code VGN is not listed at List of airports by IATA code: V. -- Boracay Bill (talk) 23:10, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Doemstic airport table[edit]

I don't understand what the column headed City/Municipality purpoits to show. For instance entry for Bantayan Airport shows as Santa Fe (Bantayan Island). The airport is Bantayan Airport and it serves the whole of Bantayan Island. Not that it matters much, because there is no regular service. I know there was one flight in last year, as I happened to be on the beach when it came in overhead. 112.198.82.99 (talk) 02:24, 25 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The short answer is probably that it defines a limited geographic area primarily served by that airport. Municipalities in the Philippines correspond roughly to Counties in the U.S. Philippine Cities are not Municipalities and do not lie within Municipalities; likewise, Philippine Municipalities do not lie within Cities. Philippine Cities have their own geographic areas distinct from Municipalities. The geographic area of a Philippine Province is made up of the geographic areas of the Cities and Municipalities within it. In the case you mention, it may be a "not that it matters much" thing. In other cases, it may matter. If there were two airports in the same general area but at different specific locations and serving different municipalities, with neither airport named after the municipality it serves, it might be useful to some people to be able to figure out which municipality is served by which airport. An example might be two airports in the province of Tawi-Tawi, where Sanga-Sanga Airport serves Bongao and Cagayan de Sulu Airport serves Mapun. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 03:52, 25 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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