Talk:List of aerial victories of Manfred von Richthofen

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Units[edit]

It seems odd to me that this lists the units that Richthofen was serving with at the time, but not the units to which his victims belonged(?) Grant | Talk 07:27, 31 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Victims[edit]

Victimes gives the impression that all those listed were fatalities, I dont think they all died perhaps we can change victims to something else ? MilborneOne (talk) 18:43, 7 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Apparent date errors for victories 62 and 63[edit]

A very new editor changed the date of victory no. 63 - from 30 September to 30 November - on the grounds of this site: http://www.cwgc.org/search-for-war-dead/casualty/3077560/MacGREGOR,%20DONALD%20ARGYLE%20DOUGLAS%20IAN which has details of the victim as being killed on the later (November) date.

Of course this is the wrong way around - we should be matching the date of a possible victim's death with the victory claim, not juggling the date of the victory claim to match a possible victim's date of death! On the other hand, on re-examing my copy of Robertson 1958 - the basic source for this list - I noticed that not only this victory, but also victory no. 62, are listed there as belonging to dates in November rather than September. This fits much better with where R. actually was on the dates in question - as he was on convalescent leave between 6/9 and 20/10. To complicate matters, Robertson gives a different identity to victim no.63 (!) - rather than try to make a decision here I have added an "alternative" note to the table. --Soundofmusicals (talk) 13:56, 8 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Biographical details[edit]

Richthofen has his own article, of course - in view of this we need to draw a firm line AGAINST any further biographical details (especially ones that may be the subject of controversy) being added to this page. What we DON'T want is a snowball effect that might turn this page into an alternative (or duplicate) article. --Soundofmusicals (talk) 22:07, 10 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Sooting Down of a UFO.[edit]

Should this be included in the Article?
http://www.inquisitr.com/1873058/did-the-red-baron-really-shot-down-a-ufo-during-wwi-the-german-aces-fellow-pilot-believes-so/ .Mr.User200 (talk) 17:46, 9 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/weird-news/ufos-red-baron-shot-down-5219834 Mr.User200 (talk) 17:47, 9 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

No it is just somebody trying to promote a book. MilborneOne (talk) 18:18, 9 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

That they came together so promptly, waiting until he was 105 years old, certainly lends credence to this story. Not. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 20:58, 9 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

2/Lt. William Harold Trant Williams (Aug 16, 1917) incorrect date[edit]

The War Diary for 29 Squadron reports him missing Aug 22, 1917 reported dead later (Aug 22 per CWGC)

Source: The National Archives' reference AIR 27/341/1 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.146.3.233 (talk) 15:43, 9 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Albatros or Halberstadt?[edit]

Richthofen's six victories in February and early March 1917 were, according to the list, scored with a Halberstadt D.II. According to the only other full list I have found on the web in The Aerodrome, those were scored with an Albatros D.II - only later, he scored six more victories with the Halberstadt. Which is correct? --KnightMove (talk) 04:56, 15 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I see already that the reason is this unsourced change by a now inactive author. most likely due to a musunderstanding. I revert that. --KnightMove (talk) 05:03, 15 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]