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24/7 Title

With Fox Sports host Rob Stone briefly holding the 24/7 Title, what do we do if some other celebrity were to win it (and actually keeps it, and not lose it like 5 seconds later).

You'd have to automatically include them on the list, right, as they'd be a champion (and this isn't a Drake Maverick thing where he already has a defined role - being 24/7 Champion would BE the celebrity's role on WWE programming).

We could call it the David Arquette Rule, as him winning the WCW Title in 2000 kind of set the precedent for stuff like this to happen.

Vjmlhds (talk) 20:51, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

... and what will happen if Robert Stone wins it? Duffs101 (talk) 21:11, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

We shouldn't add celebrities to this article that are not employees of the company. StaticVapor message me! 05:26, 27 August 2019 (UTC)

If a celebrity wins it as a publicity stunt, I do not see why they would be added. We go by what the sources say, so if there is no source saying they are signed to the WWE they should not get added. - Galatz גאליץ^{שיחה Talk} 21:20, 30 August 2019 (UTC)

AJ / A.J. Styles

This guy is back at it again. Can someone have him blocked from editing? IanPCP (talk) 12:40, 27 July 2019 (UTC)

And he's back. Again. IanPCP (talk) 11:53, 8 September 2019 (UTC)

Let's take a breath here

Things are a bit of a fustercluck right now due to the Wild Card Rule (SD guy Ziggler holding a Raw Tag title, Raw team The Revival holding the SD Tag straps, Brock appearing on SD, all kinds of other free wheeling brand hopping).

But please don't go switching folks to different brands.

We're gonna have the draft on October 11 and 14 and everything will be sorted out and fall into place.

So just chill until then.

Vjmlhds (talk) 17:32, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

John Morrison

Should we include Johnny or not? Mike Johnson is usually reliable, but without any announcement by either party should we include him on this article? Keep in mind this article is about the list of WWE employees and if that could possibly be incorrect, we shouldn't run with it. StaticVapor message me! 05:08, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

Overthinking it. How many times has a wrestler "surprisingly" popped up on Raw or SD and the announcers scream "Oh my God! What's (insert name here) doing here?!" Kinda ruins the surprise if WWE announces it in advance, you know (not everybody who watches WWE programming "reads the dirt sheets"). What's the point of even having a list of reliable sources if we're looking for ways to disregard them? Morrison's fine where he is (unassigned) until they figure out what to do with him. Vjmlhds (talk) 11:57, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

I mean, I am not over thinking it. We have a WP:BLP policy to think about. StaticVapor message me! 17:04, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

I think is fine, Johnson / PWInsider is a reliable source. It's not our fault if he is wrong. On the other side, people can say "mike Johnson announced and Wikipedia didn't include him until his return" --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 17:20, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

Please understand WP:NOTRUMOR. He's been rumored to have signed. We can wait for an official announcement. NODEADLINE and all that. oknazevad (talk) 18:01, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

Agreed. I see no harm in not including him on this specific article until we have some announcement/promotion/surprise. I do see harm however of including him (or anyone), if nothing is confirmed. StaticVapor message me! 18:25, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

The difference, it's not a rumor. It's not Dave Meltzer saying Morrison may or may or may not have signed with WWE or Johnson saying Morrison and WWE are talking about a return. Johnson is confirming something "John Hennigan has signed a deal to return to World Wrestling Entertainment, PWInsider.com has confirmed." I mean, I have 0 problems if Morrison is removed until WWE confirms his status, but I'm just saying it's a confirmation, not a rumor. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 18:31, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

I just think he would be better kept off this specific page until it is confirmed. Even though it looks likely to be true. StaticVapor message me! 19:37, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

Anything short of an official announcement is a rumor. We can wait. It harms no one. We are not a "news" (used loosely) site trying to scoop competitors. oknazevad (talk) 21:57, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

No, it's not. An information for a reliable source stills reliable information. That's the point of using third-party sources. The source talks about confirmation, not rumor. Which part of "John Hennigan has signed a deal to return to World Wrestling Entertainment, PWInsider.com has confirmed." sounds like rumor? --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 22:07, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

The part where it comes from a source, PWInsider, that itself doesn't reveal its source. Anything and everything else in this business is a rumor. Dirtsheets are generally unreliable when it comes to these sorts of things. I don't care if the WP:PW/RS list includes it. They wouldn't really pass muster at the general reliable sources board, and their record stinks. oknazevad (talk) 00:35, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

"I don't care if the WP:PW/RS list includes it" Wll... that's all I need to stop arguing with you. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 11:35, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

https://amp.wrestlinginc.com/news/2019/09/john-morrison-comments-on-wwe-return-news-660102/ so looks like it was not true. I know it's not a RS, but they just took a picture of a tweet. His wife also commented on it Twitter. StaticVapor message me! 00:28, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

It's not the first time some wrestler denies this thing, like Ronda --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 11:35, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

Real or not, the subject and his wife denied it. If we have real solid evidence it is only going to take a minute to add back. Or he will show up on AEW, who knows we will find out. No WP:DEADLINE, better to have facts than take a risk, even a 1% risk of false information to a WP:BLP article. StaticVapor message me! 07:08, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

NXT Cruiserweight Champion is listed as both Lio Rush [in Raw section] and Drew Gulak [in 205 Live section]

NXT Cruiserweight Champion is currently listed as Lio Rush and Drew Gulak. - 2A02:C7F:C25A:A200:6072:E04F:C723:2E0E (talk) 19:59, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

Gallus Freebird

Since Gallus won the NXTUK Tag Team Championships under the tag team Mark Coffey & Wolfgang in NXTUK TV Tapings should we hold off also puting Joe Coffey as NXTUK Tag Team Champion until we know if Gallus will Freebird the titles? When Big E & Xaiver Woods became SmackDown Tag Team Champions Kofi Kingston automatically became SmackDown Tag Team Champion while being WWE Champion at the time due to the past experience with The New Day freebird their tag team championship defenses. - 2A02:C7F:C25A:A200:6072:E04F:C723:2E0E (talk) 21:52, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

Maria Kanellis

Can Maria be taken off the female wrestlers section of the raw roster?

She does wrestle regularly and she is also pregnant

Female wrestlers should be active in ring performers as well as inactive in ring performers

Maria is an on air personality like Maryse — Preceding unsigned comment added by BIRCHJ (talk • contribs) 10:47, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

Alicia Fox

Alicia Fox was not drafted in the 2019 draft.

Think she needs to be put in free agents section as she is not active and has not been since April this year — Preceding unsigned comment added by BIRCHJ (talk • contribs) 15:05, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

NXT & 205 Live

Yesterday, Triple H said that the 205 Live roster will be moving to NXT, with the possibility of 205 Live ending. Should we go ahead and merge the 205 Live roster with NXT?--Keith Okamoto (talk) 16:09, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

Here's proof of what I'm asking So 205 Live will sit under the NXT umbrella?--Keith Okamoto (talk) 16:18, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

Thats not at all what he said. You quoted a question from the interviewer. His exactly words were NXT UK will sit under that NXT banner as well, probably 205 too breathing some life into it a little bit. In response to that question he said You'll start to see 205 begin to. I think it always existed as an island onto itself, a little bit, and it's become lost in this limbo. You'll begin to see it move more towards the NXT banner and the talent there. We have a lot of talent. For them to begin to compete either open against anyone or in the cruiserweight division, but have that title sit under the NXT brand is more meaningful. It creates more opportunities for more people.

So in short it will be PROBABLY be just like NXT UK, but nothing is determined. So no, nothing should change. - Galatz גאליץ^{שיחה Talk} 16:31, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

So with the Cruiserweight Championship now on NXT and officially recognised as the NXT Cruiserweight Championship, should we go ahead and merge the 205 Live roster with NXT? We can mark the ones that appear on 205 as "Also appears on 205 Live".--Keith Okamoto (talk) 18:41, 3 October 2019 (UTC)

No. If the rosters were merged as one, they'd be no need to mark certain talent as "Also appears on 205 Live" as - by merging the rosters - all talents would be fine to appear on either show. It would be akin to marking low card Raw/SD talent as "Also appears on Main Event". I say we wait and see what happens with the next few 205 Live shows, especially now it's got a new night (Fridays) and seems to be firmly entrenched as 'under the NXT umbrella' IanPCP (talk) 00:45, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

If anything, 205 is now a sub-brand of NXT - still it's own entity, but now clearly riding NXT's coattails. Vjmlhds (talk) 03:47, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

With Drake Maverick just being drafted to SmackDown, I think it's officially time to merge the 205 Live roster with NXT. I know the show's still airing, but looking how small the 205 Live roster is now that Akira and Humberto have been drafted to Raw and Drake, Drew and Lucha House Party drafted to SmackDown. Does this warrant a merger of the rosters now?--Keith Okamoto (talk) 17:06, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

CFO$ and Kacy

Hi. According to WrestleVotes, CFO$ aren't WWE composers anymore. [1] Also, Squared Cirlce Sirens says Kacy Katanzaro left WWE and retired. What do you think? Are these reliable sources? --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 15:01, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

You don't have to reference somebody being out - just remove them. It's a whole other ballgame to ADD someone, then you need to make sure you include the proper references, but for departures, just remove them - can't reference what isn't there. Vjmlhds (talk) 15:15, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

Of course we have to source if somebody left. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 16:29, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

In their own article (if they have one), certainly...I was specifically referring to this page where all you'd have to do is remove somebody. Vjmlhds (talk) 19:12, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

I was asking about the quality of the sources, since aren't in the list. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 22:19, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

Isn't the Kacy story that she's handed in her notice? a) That doesn't mean it's been accepted and b) she might still have a 'notice period' that needs to be worked (i.e. she isn't technically free of WWE yet). As for CFO$, Arcade Songs - the publishers CFO$ are affiliated with - tweeted this: https://twitter.com/ArcadeSongs/status/1164156383778000896 but they may just be talking about pre-existing CFO$ tracks and not new stuff. In conclusion: I say keep Kacy (for now), and I've no idea on CFO$ IanPCP (talk) 13:16, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

Her tweets don't sound like she quit [2]. - Galatz גאליץ^{שיחה Talk} 17:56, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

Of course we need reliable sources in order to remove people. Why is that even a thought in someone's head? Unreliable source says she's leaving, but yet she is still posting about wrestling. Squaredcirclesirens to the unreliable section of WP:PW/RS anyone? I also heard CFOs is gone, but if WrestleVotes is the one that "broke the news", you can take it with a grain of salt. If WrestleVotes is not in the unreliable section, it needs to go there too. They usually just constantly make up stuff. StaticVapor message me! 17:32, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

I'd disagree with moving Squared Circle Sirens to the unreliable section. They're pretty much always accurate. If Kacy doesn't leave I'd wager there was still truth to SCS's report but Kacy changed her mind IanPCP (talk) 21:09, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

For whatever its worth, Sean Ross Sapp from Fightful (which we consider to be a RS), said during his podcast yesterday that he considers their stuff to be reliable. - Galatz גאליץ^{שיחה Talk} 00:47, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

Here's a quote from Ricochet (her boyfriend) in an interview from the past few days:

“She’s still with the company. She’s not retired at all and she’s not injured. It’s a tough sport and we’re all hurting, but there is nothing wrong with her. I don’t know [if she’ll wrestle again]. She’s very family-oriented and she wants kids, so she doesn’t know if being on the road so much is for her. For me, I’m already too deep—I’m on the road all the time. She loves wrestling and she loves it here, and she’s so good at it, so it’s a very tough decision for her.”

Source: https://www.cagesideseats.com/wwe/2019/9/6/20853352/ricochet-interview-kacy-catanzaro-wwe-status-not-injured-might-not-wrestle-again IanPCP (talk) 22:17, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

I do agree that SCS usually breaks credible stories. I was just concerned about us considering it reliable, when it seemed that this story was not true, yet it was picked up by the websites we consider reliable. Based off what Ricochet said, the story of her being injured and retiring was not correct. StaticVapor message me! 01:03, 8 September 2019 (UTC)

Well, Kacy is not listed as WWE star. I heared that Kacy asked for her release and WWE and Ricochet just tried to convince her to stay. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 18:42, 20 October 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 October 2019

Gran Metalik is still listed as "real name: unknown," but he's identified elsewhere on Wikipedia as Máscara Dorada. I believe the roster should be updated with his real name. Schaichopath (talk) 15:58, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

Yes. I'm pretty sure Máscara Dorada is his real name. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 16:27, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: Mascara Dorada means "Golden Mask". It is not a birth (or "real") name. NiciVampireHeart 17:06, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

Whoops, I guess I didn't really think that one through, my bad. Schaichopath (talk) 18:57, 22 October 2019 (UTC)

Oney Lorcan

Oney's profile on wwe.com comes up under both NXT and 205, but the profile page has the NXT logo, so surely he should go under NXT (with a note that he 'also appears on 205 Live')? IanPCP (talk) 20:21, 22 October 2019 (UTC)

Bio says NXT, so that's what we'll go with. The 205 Live stuff is a moot point anyway since it was announced last Friday that 205 and NXT now have a talent exchange deal. Vjmlhds (talk) 22:40, 22 October 2019 (UTC)

Is it Catalina or Carolina?

Catalina was announced on this week's Raw as Catalina by the Raw ring announcer yet the wrestler intro plate said Sin Cara with Carolina. - 2A02:C7F:C25A:A200:F139:711F:445E:4D3E (talk) 12:11, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

It's Carolina (pronounced Car-ol-EE-na) Vjmlhds (talk) 14:06, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

2019 WWE Draft

Should we be moving all of the undrafted people to the Unassigned Talent section as they are now classified as Free Agents? I know most (if not all) of them are still listed on WWE.com per the brand's they were assigned to before the draft, but WWE seemed to put a big emphasis on this. - Jeffhardyred (talk) 14:22, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

I think we should, yes. Akam & Rezar were both previously on Raw, and were listed as Raw on wwe.com, but WWE still made a big deal about how they'd been "drafted to Raw", which would mean their previous brand assignment was null and void. IanPCP (talk) 14:51, 18 October 2019 (UTC)

Also should people that werent in the draft pools like The Usos, Naomi, Big Show and Kane to name a few be moved to unassigned talents? Especially Big Show and Kane who are basically quasi-retired — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.101.11.34 (talk) 20:38, 18 October 2019 (UTC)

Yes, I think they should. As with The AOP above, WWE's own coverage of the draft suggests that previous brand assignments were invalidated when the Draft happened. IanPCP (talk) 22:21, 18 October 2019 (UTC)

If you weren't in the draft pool, it meant you weren't eligible to be drafted - hard to be drafted when your name wasn't in the mix to begin with. The free agent stuff only applied to those within the draft pool who didn't get drafted. Vjmlhds (talk) 22:46, 18 October 2019 (UTC)

You're probably technically correct (in the words of Hermes Conrad: the best kind of correct). IanPCP (talk) 08:28, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

So are we moving them or not? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.101.11.34 (talk) 02:17, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

New Day as tag champs

Looking at wwe.com, Kofi and Big E's profiles both have the title under their names, but Woods doesn't. There's nothing to indicate all 3 are being considered champs at this point IanPCP (talk) 16:50, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

Yes, Woods does count, so sayeth the man himself. We went though this the last time with Kofi - "Kofi's picture isn't listed so he must not be champion." But they counted it for Kofi anyway. All New Day reigns are Freebird unless they specifically say otherwise. That's the way it's always worked. Vjmlhds (talk) 14:30, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

It's doesn't count. Woods can declare the king of the universe, but WWE.com doesn't make the freebird rule official, al least, yet. His profile doen't include the title like Kofi's [3] [4] --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 14:46, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

The New Day aren't the only trio in WWE that has tag team champions at the moment considering that Gallus won the NXTUK Tag Team Championships under the tag team Mark Coffey & Wolfgang but does that also make Joe Coffey NXTUK Tag Champion considering that Gallus just The New Day could FreeBird their Tag Team Championships? - 2A02:C7F:C25A:A200:ECD1:5D2C:358D:326F (talk) 10:56, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

WWE has to make it official. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 21:15, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

Let's just take it all to the project page, so we're not bouncing all over the place. Thank you. Vjmlhds (talk) 21:31, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

Sorry Vjmlhds, despite what Xavier said on Twitter, WWE officially recognize Big E and Kofi as SmackDown Tag Team Champions. Xavier can't defend the championship while injured.--Keith Okamoto (talk) 14:57, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

Should we add Rey Mysterio's son?

I've been wondering why we haven't added Rey Mysterio's son Dominic on here yet. He's been involved in Rey's storylines as of late and been rumors of him signing with WWE in a wrestling capacity. Should we add Dominic to the Raw roster under the Other on-air personnel section or wait until he's officially signed with WWE?--Keith Okamoto (talk) 19:08, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

Insay wait until we know he's signed for sure. oknazevad (talk) 19:56, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

WWE Backstage

Hi. I was wondering if it's necessary to include the WWE Backstage note. WWE Backstage is a stage show produced by FOX, not WWE and aired on FS1. It's like Total Divas, a TV Show with WWE hired wrestlers, but produced and aired outside WWE. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 13:25, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

They make a point of saying it is not done by WWE, so I see no reason to include. I would be like including the people who work on ESPN's Baseball Tonight show (do they still have that show?) on a page for MLB personnel. - Galatz גאליץ^{שיחה Talk} 14:16, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

I think the same. For example, I removed CM Punk since he is not under contract with WWE. And WWE Backstage isn't produced or aired by WWE. As you say, it's like MLB / ESPN --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 17:25, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

Humberto Carrillo real name

his birth name is Humberto Solano Carrillo, so it should be added in the chart — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:E000:A4C8:EB00:D3A:170B:BED2:C04B (talk) 16:01, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

Source? - Galatz גאליץ^{שיחה Talk} 18:49, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

Lana should be listed as a RAW superstar

I believe Lana should be listed as a RAW superstar/talent. I know WWE.com still lists her as a Smackdown branded superstar, but I honestly believe WWE.com staff and WWE creative corporate staff has just forgot to communicate it. WWE on-air has stated that talent are exclusive to their brand (excluding build up to survivor series). Married couples stayed together, and Rusev is on Raw. I know we try to stay in sync with wwe.com, but in regards to Lana. I feel an exception is warrented.

Lana should go to Raw. Looks like a purely housekeeping move on WWE.com's part not to switch her over. I'm just afraid if she is moved, the Wiki puritans would get the vapors and get an edit war going. ("WWE.com has her listed on SD...that's WHERE SHE MUST STAY! OH THE HUMANITY!") Vjmlhds (talk) 12:56, 22 November 2019 (UTC)

Lana is very clearly a Raw superstar, I get that she is listed on Smackdown on WWE.com but that seems to be a clerical error — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.101.11.34 (talk) 19:13, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

If youre gonna move Big Show, move Lana too

It's honestly wild Lana is still listed as SmackDown on this page — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.101.11.34 (talk) 06:06, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

Dual brand talent

I'm curious what should be done with dual brand talent? Someone like Oney Lorcan, Lio Rush, Angel Garza, etc. are NXT stars but they're also official 205 Live roster members (not just talent exchange as they are listed on the roster, in the show intro, and regularly called roster members for the brand). Should there be a note of some kind for Oney, Burch, Raul, Swerve, Angel, Lio, and possibly Wilde? NotMyEditor (talk) 05:07, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

There's a note in the 205 Live section pointing out the talent exchange deal with NXT and 205. At this point, 205 is basically a subsidiary of NXT. All the guys you listed have NXT in their bio, so that's what we go with here. Vjmlhds (talk) 15:23, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

It's a sub brand just like NXT UK is. It isn't "Main Event", it's just a sub brand under the NXT umbrella just as NXT UK does. And I did see the note, but I'm not sure if that's exactly the same thing in every case. Some are full time 205 Live roster members in addition to full time NXT members, while some just appear at random like Mansoor. NotMyEditor (talk) 02:34, 26 December 2019 (UTC)

With the 2020 Dusty Rhodes Tag Team Classic which has a NXT vs NXT:UK theme this year; we are going to see Gallus, Flash Morgan Webster and Grizzled Young Veterans making their main NXT debuts since they have only wrestled on NXT's sub brands. Which means that we shouldn't move Gallus, GYV, Webster & Andrews and Imperium (Fabian Aichner and Marcel Barthel) to NXT from NXT:UK until after Dusty Rhodes Tag Team Classic. - 90.211.22.225 (talk) 20:16, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

Eddie Dennis

Eddie Dennis is still listed in the notes as being the Progress Unified World Champion when in fact it is Cara Noir. Somebody with access should change this. LH1998 (talk) 03:20, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

It be done. Vjmlhds (talk) 04:40, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

Garza and Baszler

OK, gang...what do you think?

Should we move Angel Garza and Shayna Baszler to Raw or leave them on NXT?

Vjmlhds (talk) 00:05, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

WE shouldn't move them... WWE should move them. WP should just wait until they are officially moved & then change their pages. Not predict what is going to happen.HENDAWG229 (talk) 02:23, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

Oh... & Baszler just appeared on Raw with the NXT banner under her while she was talking... #ijs.HENDAWG229 (talk) 02:26, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

Agree with Hendawg. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 12:18, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

Grizzled Young Veterans

Hello,

Looks like Zack Gibson and James Drake are now showing up as part of the NXT roster on WWE.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bearzbeetzbattlestargalactica (talk • contribs) 17:15, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

Killer Kelly

I'd removed her from the page as she's been removed from the Superstars page on wwe.com as well as the WWE Performance Center website; and her social media profiles make no mention of her still working for WWE. As it's been reverted - so she's back on the list - has anyone got a source that she currently still works for WWE? IanPCP (talk) 17:09, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

IanPCP (talk) Looks like she has left WWE & NXT UK according to this. HENDAWG229 (talk) 21:00, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

If we're agreed, can someone else edit please? I don't want to end up in an accidental revert war! IanPCP (talk) 22:21, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

I think we should wait. Inquisitir refers to Sportskeeda, an unreliable source. Also, two sources call it a rumor, not a confirmation. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 13:30, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

Surely as she's been removed from the WWE website, taken references to WWE off her social media, and started accepting loads more indie bookings; then it's no longer just a rumour? Alternatively, I put this to you: find a reference to support that - in March 2020 - she works for WWE. IanPCP (talk) 14:24, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

Ok, I din't read the part were she deleted that. I just saw the edit summary where the source was unreliable and called it a rumor. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 16:50, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

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Finn Balor

It appears Bálor is teasing a move to NXT UK as he seems to be in some sort of feud with Imperium. This isn’t 100% but this is just what I believe at the moment Thaileach (talk) 18:54, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

Remember, UK and 205 are under the NXT umbrella, so there's no need for anybody to switch brands when the matches are "kept within the family" so to speak. Vjmlhds (talk) 22:31, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 April 2020

Lots of wrestlers fired. Keep the page up to date 2A01:CB1D:8B97:8C00:CC28:D899:5BC9:5B0A (talk) 22:38, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

WP:There is no deadline. Be patient. JTP ^{(talk • contribs)} 22:40, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 April 2020

Karrison Kross should be above Keith Lee due to "Ka" coming before "Ke" in the alphabet sorting. Currently, Karrison Kross is between Keith Lee and Killian Dain. - 2A02:C7F:C283:C100:B893:5AC6:A538:5B3D (talk) 14:50, 16 April 2020 (UTC) 2A02:C7F:C283:C100:B893:5AC6:A538:5B3D (talk) 14:50, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

 Done JTP ^{(talk • contribs)} 17:10, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 April 2020

I notice that it states that WWE Superstar, Shayna Baszler, is listed in the NXT Roster section, when in most recent episodes of Monday Night Raw, she was seen in in-ring action, promos, backstage interviews, pay-per-view events that aren't involved with the NXT Brand, etc. She has even been in a match with the current Raw Women's Champion, Becky Lynch, in a title match up at Wrestlemania 36. Please update this! Darrenmangohig (talk) 04:22, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: See https://www.wwe.com/superstars/shayna-baszler. JTP ^{(talk • contribs)} 04:34, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

Bazsler, Garza, Theory

Let's settle this:

It should be obvious at this point that Shayna Bazsler, Angel Garza, and Austin Theory have put NXT in the rear view mirror and have set up shop on Raw

Yeah, yeah...their bios haven't been updated, but a lot of bios need updating when you get right down to it.

What say the cast of thousands?

Vjmlhds (talk) 15:49, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

Ryan Ward

According to WrestleVotes twitter account, Ryan Ward has given his input on many SmackDown storylines over the past few weeks, therefore his inactivity has ended 24.59.235.87 (talk) 07:30, 19 April 2020 (UTC) DG April 19, 2020

Update: Can somebody get me a response on this because if his status is staying as is, I can remove this talk subject. Thank you. 24.59.235.87 (talk) 04:57, 27 April 2020 (UTC) DG April 26, 2020

Kalisto inactive due to injury.

He confirmed it himself. Can't get much more reliable then that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtI9m2Q534w

Heard some rumors that Kevin Owens may be out with an ankle injury, but have found nothing to support that, so not worth adding that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aurelian Wolf (talk • contribs) 19:38, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

Kalisto said he has a shoulder injury in that youtube video that was attached to this post, should be added to injuries — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.101.11.34 (talk) 22:30, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Branden Vink and Shane Thorne

I wanted to get input from other members here on what we should do with Branden Vink and Shane Thorne? Vink is not even listed on wwe.com for any roster and Shane Thorne is still listed as a NXT superstar, even since wwe.com updated their roster page showing AJ Styles officially back with Smackdown.

I know we try to keep unison with wwe.com and have made a few exceptions with Austin Theory and Shayna Bazler, and Charlottle is still being disputed.

But I think we should move them to NXT, especially if they dont appear on RAW or Main Event this week. — Preceding unsigned comment added by NicolasRSparrow (talk • contribs) 16:41, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Well, Thorne did wrestle Ricochet this past week on Main Event (with Vink and Cedric Alexander at ringside). It's apparent MVP is putting a little crew together on Raw - first with Thorne and Vink, and now Lashley is joining the gang. Vjmlhds (talk) 20:08, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

I think WWE.com is just slow on swicthing them over

Edge and Christian

Hey a long time ago we agreed to take out the weird WWE network and youtube shows from wrestlers' notes and my OCD would love if someone could take out their defunt network show off the notes of Edge and Christian. MANY thanks

Can anyone make this small change for the page? I don't think it'd take more than a minute, PLEASE — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.101.11.34 (talk) 05:23, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Pretty pretty please with a cherry on top!?!?! PLEASE?

Semi-protected edit request on 31 May 2020

Add to US Performance Center Recruits Liam Lannie Wayne Jackson Bill Sommers They are newly debuted wrestlers Lanky Lev (talk) 02:22, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 02:35, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

Charlotte Flair & Shayna Baszler

According to WWE.com's Roster Page, Charlotte is still a RAW Superstar and Shayna is still an NXT Superstar, as is proof of the bio pages. Yet, somehow people on this site still list Shayna as RAW and Charlotte as NXT. But as soon as AJ Styles got moved to Smackdown on May 22nd 2020, WWE.com and Wikipedia got him on the correct brand right away. So, Wikipedia is incorrect with Charlotte and Shayna, but refuse to acknowledge that. Can someone with a brain cell please get these women on the right brand. Look at the damn roster pages. Links are provided!

Charlotte Flair's roster page (Clearly still RAW) https://www.wwe.com/superstars/charlotte-flair

Shayna Baszler's roster page (Clearly still NXT) https://www.wwe.com/superstars/shayna-baszler — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.236.80.152 (talk) 15:55, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Charlotte is a Raw superstar, it isn't like back in the day when you win a brand's belt you become exclusive to them. She is a Raw girl who just so happens to have won the NXT title. Stupid but its the truth. As for Shayna, Garza, Theory, Vink and Thorne I feel like they have been called up its just been a bad job by WWE.com to get them switched over

Update - Garza, Theory, and Baszler all now have their bios updated as Raw superstars (just confirming the obvious when you get right down to it). Charlotte is indeed a Raw wrestler who just happened to use her Royal Rumble option to challenge for the NXT Women's Title...there is precedent, as SD's Becky Lynch chose to go after the Raw Title last year, won it, and was still listed as an SD wrestler (granted under the extra circumstance of also being SD Champion as well) until losing the SD Title and then quietly being moved to Raw. Vjmlhds (talk) 19:36, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

Tehuti Miles - 205 Live?

Should we move Tehuti Miles to the 205 Live roster? He's appeared a few times now. On the most recent episodes the announcers referred to him as a "new face on 205 Live", plus he got a win against Danny Burch. Thoughts? IanPCP (talk) 00:13, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

Remember, UK and 205 are sub-brands of NXT at this point (with wrestlers freely bouncing between them), so it's a moot point. Vjmlhds (talk) 19:40, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

He's still on the Performance Center roster on the page IanPCP (talk) 20:51, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

Updates to wwe.com superstar pages

For what it's worth; wwe.com has finally amended the superstar pages for Shayna Baszler, Angel Garza and Austin Theory to show them on Raw. Charlotte is also listed as on Raw - despite holding the NXT title - and Shane Thorne is still listed as NXT. Brendan Vink is still without a profile though. IanPCP (talk) 23:58, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

In a related note, Drake Maverick is on NXT officially according to WWE's official website despite his Superstar page having no brand listed on it so that is reason enough for Maverick to be listed on NXT. Source: https://www.wwe.com/videos/triple-h-extends-an-nxt-contract-to-drake-maverick-wwe-nxt-june-3-2020 - 2A02:C7F:C283:C100:B14C:87E5:25CA:602A (talk) 09:37, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

Edge Torn Triceps

You added that and the Giant Ninja to Raw but you cant take the Edge and Christian show off the pages of Edge and Christian whyyyyy

1. Please start signing your comments
2. The E & C stuff is now taken care of
3. Giant Ninja (Jordan Omogbehin) was already listed on the page under U.S. Performance Center recruits, all I did was move him to Raw after it became apparent he had been called up and repackaged with the ninja gimmick as Akira Tozawa's muscle (i.e. he's no longer a trainee/recruit). Vjmlhds (talk) 18:35, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

Thank you - SBR — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.101.11.34 (talk) 06:15, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

Giant Ninja / Big Jordan

It seems premature to move him to Raw. Do we even have a name for the character yet? Is "Giant Ninja" official? (Also, the reference for the ringname is about his name being changed to "Big Jordan" last year and isn't relevant to support his listing as "Giant Ninja") IanPCP (talk) 23:51, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

Not premature at all...they repackaged him, debuted him on a PPV, appeared the next night on Raw, established him as Tozawa's enforcer, and brought Big Show out of mothballs to clearly set up a battle of the 7-footers. Vjmlhds (talk) 14:55, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

What's his ring name? IanPCP (talk) 20:45, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

Sasha Banks

Just to make things clear, Sasha Banks - even though she is Raw Women's Champion - is an SD wrestler.

Because she is a Women's Tag Team Champion, she (and Bayley) and float around all the brands.

Vjmlhds (talk) 02:40, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

Heyman

Regarding Paul Heyman...no need to have him switch brands.

Remember, he is an "agent", not a contracted "superstar", so he's not subject to the brand split.

Look at MLB, NFL, NBA, NHL...there are players scattered all over numerous teams that all have the same agent.

Same thing here.

Vjmlhds (talk) 18:07, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

He is listed as a raw talent, so raw. The agenMLB doesn't work, he is a hired talent by WWE, just like the others, not a real agent. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 18:34, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

You missed the point of my original comment, I said there was no need to have him switch brands. My MLB/NFL/etc analogy was to show that an agent can have guys on different teams...same thing here, Heyman represents a guy on Raw, and now a guy on SD. Vjmlhds (talk) 20:47, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

The move it's not needed. But again, not the right analogy since Heyman isn't a real agent, a kayfabe one instead. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 21:00, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Demi Burnett

Should we add Demi Burnett to Raw? She is involved in a storyline with Angel Garza and Ivar. I'm just wondering where to go on this one as she has appeared on Raw on multiple occasions.--Keith Okamoto (talk) 02:43, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Nigel McGuinness

Nigel McGuinness is back as the Color commentator on NXT UK. Can someone add him back? I would do it myself, but honestly, I'm sick of making edits on this page and having them undone. I figure someone can do it who knows how to do it correctly, and with the proper sources. Thanks. Stellar420 (talk) 00:56, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

Done. Vjmlhds (talk) 04:23, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

Scarlett

Shouldn't Scarlett be listed under Other On Air Personnel, as she's never had a match in WWE and is only used as a manager. Same as Robert Stone, he was a wrestler before WWE, but WWE is purely using him as a manager and not wrestler. IanPCP (talk) 10:36, 19 September 2020 (UTC)

She hasn't wrestled a match since 2019. I think other on air is her section. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 11:47, 19 September 2020 (UTC)

I've moved her to the Other On Air section IanPCP (talk) 15:44, 19 September 2020 (UTC)

NXT UK Roster

Hello there, Can't edit the page so just letting you know female superstar Amale's real name is Amale Dib, not Amale Winchester. Amale Winchester is the ringname she used a few year ago in the indies. Have a nice day!

Done. IanPCP (talk) 15:46, 19 September 2020 (UTC)

Sukhwinder Grewal

What happened to Sukhwinder Grewal? I'm sure he was listed in the Performance Center roster before, and I can't find any news saying he's been released. IanPCP (talk) 10:37, 19 September 2020 (UTC)

I found nothing. Maybe it was never listed, just a mistake. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 11:56, 19 September 2020 (UTC)

I've added him (as well as Gurvinder Singh and Laxmi Rajpoot) with a reference to the wwe.com article touting their signings. I'm sure I listed them on the page at the time, but I could be mistaken. Anyway, they're on the page now. If they have been released, and anyone has a reliable source to indicate this, please post it here. IanPCP (talk) 15:45, 19 September 2020 (UTC)

I made a quick research in several months (august, june, march, january) but looks like they weren't listed. You're right, there is no source about them leaving WWE, as far as I know. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 16:14, 19 September 2020 (UTC)

Kane as Mayor

Surely having this mentioned is unnecessary? Even if it's acknowledged on WWE TV, do we need to list everyone's other jobs on roster lists? For instance, we wouldn't have "Chris Jericho, frontman of Fozzy" as it's extra info that's best suited to their individual page, instead of this list. IanPCP (talk) 09:29, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

I think it helps explain his part-time status, and why he's rarely seen anymore. That's the relevance. oknazevad (talk) 14:43, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

Just stating he's the Mayor doesn't actually specify he's part time though. There's no context given to the statement. IanPCP (talk) 16:07, 2 October 2020 (UTC,

I had a note stating that he was inactive due to his mayoral duties, but for some reason Galatz took exception to it, stating that the note needed a reference, and removed it. Not singling anyone out, but I really do think unless every other word has a reference with it, some editors just feel the need to either slap a citation on the whole article or blindly remove things, just so they can play "smartest guy in the room" and cite WP:This, and WP:That. Vjmlhds (talk) 03:11, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

With all due respect, that's irrelevant to the matter as it currently stands; which is: do we need a statement that just says Kane is Mayor, without any further context? IanPCP (talk) 11:46, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

I'd re-add the "inactive" note...he's technically part of the roster, but he's kinda busy with this other thing right now. I will re-add it, but if it gets taken down again, just know who and why. Vjmlhds (talk) 14:09, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

Goldberg is part time and wrestles 2 matches per year, as per his contract yet he gets no notes. When Undertaker for years was making 2-3 appearances a year there was no need for a note. You know nothing about Kane's contract. The man is 53 years old, perhaps he would have a part time contract anyway. How many 53 year olds are wrestling full time? You are drawing a conclusion that being mayor is the sole reason for his part time status, which is a clear WP:BLP violation. - Galatz גאליץ^{שיחה Talk} 12:19, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

Arturo Ruas & Dabba-Kato

Arturo Ruas & Dabba-Kato are both listed on the NXT brand here but appear on Raw Underground and also both of them are part of this year's draft as WWE's official website. Do we wait until Monday to move them when we see if they get drafted to SmackDown Live and officially move them to Raw if they get drafted by Raw? - 2A02:C7F:C283:C100:241F:6D37:B94:CAC3 (talk) 10:44, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

May as well wait. No rush. IanPCP (talk) 23:25, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

Exactly, they're both in Monday's draft pool, so let's just see what happens and go from there. Vjmlhds (talk) 00:42, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

Andrade & Mickie James

Surely they should be in "Unassigned" as they are "free agents" following the Draft? IanPCP (talk) 12:05, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

I'd be fine with that until they find a home. Vjmlhds (talk) 14:38, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

Add Curt Stallion and August Grey to 205 Live

They have been appearing regularly, though Grey could also be in NXT. Your pick. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 32.213.92.111 (talk) 09:12, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

Done. Vjmlhds (talk) 14:59, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

Boa

Should we move Boa to NXT Other on-air personnel and should Boa be listed there as being Xia Li's manager?

Boa hasn't wrestled on NXT TV since 2019 (in a lost against Killian Dian) and hasn't wrestled since October 26th 2019 in a match on a house show against Damien Priest plus whenever we have seen him since last month he has been given Li a piece of paper with Chinese writing on it. This week he was destroyed by Raquel González after telling Raquel that Xia Li couldn't be at NXT this week. There is definitely a storyline going on on NXT between Xia Li and Boa but is it reason enough to move Boa from the NXT Male Wrestler roster to the NXT Other on-air personnel roster? - 2A02:C7F:C283:C100:C571:E68A:B755:C5A4 (talk) 11:58, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

There’s nothing in the storyline that makes him her manager. UniNoUta (talk) 06:22, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Eva Marie

Can you please remove Eva Marie from the unassigned roster, as there has been no confirmation from WWE or any other reliable source indicating that she has actually re-signed with WWE. For now, rumours of her return or just that, rumours. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.236.80.152 (talk) 16:20, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

Done. Yeah, PWInsider has not been especially reliable this year. Might be time to revisit their “reliable source” status. UniNoUta (talk) 04:43, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Whilst I agree with removing Eva Marie, I wholeheartedly do not agree with PWInsider being unreliable. Mistakes happen, and other than Eva Marie and Melina - which may yet prove to be true - I can't think of much, if anything, they've reported that was incorrect. They correctly reported on John Morrison's WWE return, and correctly reported on Edge's return, amongst other things. IanPCP (talk) 00:48, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

It’s like Meltzer predictions: report every rumor you hear, some of them are bound to be true. Anyway, I didn’t say they were completely unreliable. There are multiple steps between reliable and unreliable on WP:PW/RS - it might simply be time for them to move a step down to “limited reliability” rather than continue to hold a position in the top echelon. Clearly something is off there of late. But that’s a discussion for a different page... UniNoUta (talk) 15:23, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Meltzer never confirmed Melina had signed a new deal, the Wrestling Observer simply reported on PWInsider's claim, unlike with Eva Marie. That makes multiple sources independently reporting on it, with the big difference being that in Melina's case she denied the reports herself (which could still be true, but we should take her word for it), in Eva's case no one denied anything. It seems a pretty typical case of "spoiled surprise" in both cases and the company is holding off on their returns, or perhaps there just weren't immediate plans for the public announcement. Regardless, Eva Marie should stay in the personnel page considering the reliable references for her signing unless the report is refuted. JustThat1990 (talk) 19:57, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

At this point it’s refuted by history. They reported she was taping for that week’s (9/12) episode. She was not on it. Nor the next week’s. Nor the next week’s Nor the next week’s. Nor the next week’s. They were wrong. That calls into question what else is wrong about their article. They aren’t infallible, contrary to IWC opinion.

Possibly she was there, but to film an interview for a WWE24 documentary, or some other purpose that didn’t involve her being re-signed to the roster. The simple fact is there had been no confirmation, “PWI said it” does not make something a fact, until there is confirmation it is still a rumor, and Wikipedia is not for reporting rumors. UniNoUta (talk) 06:19, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

This is what was posted by PWInsider:

Marie is in Orlando, Florida for this week's WWE TV tapings and was seen yesterday undergoing medical testing needed in order to enter the Thunderdome today. PWInsider.com is told that Marie and the company came to terms for a return the week of 9/20. There is no word whether she is returning to wrestle or simply appear as a personality on TV.

I took that to mean she was in Florida that week for TV, but not that she would necessarily be appearing. She could have just been there to dot some Is and cross some Ts. IanPCP (talk) 13:04, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Unannounced signings being listed

I have noticed a few unannounced signings being listed here despite the source being simply a rumour. Particularly Meiko Satomura, who I have tried to remove a few times. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TalkingFixer24 (talk • contribs) 22:58, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

I don't believe that Satomura or Ben Carter should be listed, and certainly not with a specific brand. If they HAVE to be listed then surely it should be as Unassigned? IanPCP (talk) 00:10, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

Omos

I wonder why we won't put Omos in the "Other on-air personnel" section, since he has never fought until now. He is currently a bodyguard. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:E0A:474:A530:3906:A0B:5E67:5091 (talk) 10:14, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

Agreed, and done. IanPCP (talk) 16:55, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

Dude is 7-3 and 350 lbs...he ain't there to be a manager. We've seen a million of these bodyguard/enforcer types over the years to know that they are a different category than a manager - apples and oranges. If Wiki were around in 1993, would we be listing Diesel as other personnel when he was serving the same role for HBK? Vjmlhds (talk) 19:10, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

If/when he starts wrestling then yeah, move him. BUT for now he has not wrestled a match and is not a wrestler. I'd say WP:CBALL applies here IanPCP (talk) 19:19, 4 December 2020 (UTC).

Remember - he has already wrestled a handful of NXT house show matches late last year and early this year. The virus knocked everything out of whack, so he's just been doing work at the PC to prep for his Raw debut, but he HAS wrestled in WWE. Vjmlhds (talk) 20:03, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

That was a different character though. "Big Jordan" wrestled a handful of non televised NXT matches. "Omos" is a new, 'main roster', character. Again, I'm not saying he won't wrestle in the future, I'm just saying he hasn't YET (as this character) and, as such, it's too soon to say he's "a wrestler" on Monday Night Raw. IanPCP (talk) 21:15, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

Still the same guy. That's like saying when Mia Yim became Reckoning, we couldn't list her as a wrestler under "Reckoning" until she had her first match on Raw (and BTW, she was listed as a wrestler the whole time with no fuss). When you are getting into "character" discussions, then nits are starting to be picked. Vjmlhds (talk) 21:34, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

I disagree with the comparison between Reckoning and Omos. Reckoning was part of a stable who "caused havoc" and were ultimately "signed to WWE contracts". All Omos has done is stand next to AJ. Retribution were a lot more physical than Omos has ever been. IanPCP (talk) 23:10, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

The more I think about it, I realise my biggest issue here is I'm a firm believer that - when it comes to WWE - if it hasn't been acknowledged on TV then it doesn't count. Especially when it comes to the NXT house show loop. So many wrestler/manager partnerships and tag teams have been trialled at those shows which never amounted to anything and, in the grand scheme of WWE, never existed. I see Jordan's in-ring work in the same vein as this. Something which has been trialled but, at least not yet, not committed to by WWE. IanPCP (talk) 23:23, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

Here's the thing though...there's reality, and then there's the "WWE Universe" kayfabe alternate reality. Reality says Jordan Omogbehin (the man) has wrestled in WWE - with documented proof - even though the character "Omos" has yet to. Wiki doesn't go by kayfabe, we go by real time and real facts...it's like with title changes that happened on pre-taped shows. We go by the date the match actually occurred - not the date it airs. And bodyguard/enforcers' whole reason for existence is to get physical and beat people up. Omos' job for AJ Styles is a lot different than Paul Heyman's job for Roman Reigns. Vjmlhds (talk) 23:42, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

Jordan has wrestled absolutely ages ago and - prior to the Omos character - last we saw he was standing next to a door on Raw Underground, and hardly an in-ring competitor. The point I'm trying to make is that just because he wrestled before, doesn't mean WWE still sees him as a wrestler at this point in time. In a similar vein to Scarlett on NXT. She'd been wrestling on Impact, but it was incorrect to say she was a 'wrestler' on NXT, as her current role - at the time - was to be a manager. Yeah, I totally agree that Wikipedia needs to reflect reality-reality, as opposed to WWE-reality, but it also needs to reflect the current reality-reality and - as far as I'm concerned - Omos is not currently an in-ring competitor. Will he be again? Maybe? Probably? That's not for us to say. IanPCP (talk) 23:58, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

NXT UK Heritage Cup

Surely the Heritage Cup counts as a standard championship, and NOT like the King of the Ring? From wwe.com:

Following the tournament, the NXT UK Heritage Cup will be defended as a championship under the same rules.

Source https://www.wwe.com/shows/nxtuk/article/nxt-uk-heritage-cup-champion-to-be-crowned-in-eight-man-tournament IanPCP (talk) 15:38, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

And yet it's not listed as such with the other NXT UK championships on the Superstars page at wwe.com. Perhaps plans changed since the original announcement. oknazevad (talk) 15:44, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

We both know WWE is incredibly bad at updating the Superstars page, especially when it comes to NXT UK. If we're solely going by the Superstars page (where the championships are) then we need to remove a LOT of talent from this page as they're not yet listed on the Superstars page. Point is, we have a source that says it will be a regular championship, and nothing that says it won't. IanPCP (talk) 15:45, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

A-Kid is now listed as "NXT UK Heritage Cup Champion" on the wwe.com Superstars page, and there is now a title history page for the Heritage Cup. I'm putting this back on the main article. IanPCP (talk) 00:46, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 January 2021

The Anthony_Henry link on List of WWE personnel should be linked to Anthony_Henry_(wrestler) instead of the Anthony Henry disambiguation page as Anthony_Henry_(wrestler) is about the wrestler even their article hasn't been updated to mention that WWE has signed him despite PWInsider mentioning Anthony Henry has signed with WWE. - 2A02:C7F:C283:C100:9C3E:E79:CA82:AB77 (talk) 13:29, 20 January 2021 (UTC) 2A02:C7F:C283:C100:9C3E:E79:CA82:AB77 (talk) 13:29, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

 Done Already done. oknazevad (talk) 15:05, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

List of WWE personnel article mentioned by the BBC

I just thought it was important to note that the List of WWE personnel article was mentioned at number 4 on BBC's "Wikipedia at 20: The encyclopedia in five articles.". But should the BBC mention about the article be mentioned in the Wikipedia article?

"For many years the George W Bush page was the one with the most edits, but now it has been overtaken by this one.The list of WWE professional wrestlers has had more than 53,000 edits over the years.But although the "sport" attracts its fair share of controversy it seems its number one spot is less about fights between editors, than the passion of its fans.They come here to log every single wrestler who has ever climbed into the ring, along with their managers and every other person connected to WWE.Wikipedia may be the place you go to try to puzzle out quantum computing or find out how many US presidents have been impeached, but all human life is here.At least until an editor decides an entry is just too trivial for inclusion and suggests it should be deleted." <- That is where the BBC mentions the article and what it says on today. Wikipedia's 20 anniversary. - 2A02:C7F:C283:C100:90E5:9B5B:243A:5028 (talk) 16:11, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi, I wanted to also add that I came to this page because I saw it listed as the #5 most controversial article on Wikipedia, way back in 2013. So it seems that the high level of attention to this page is long-standing.

That said, I think it would be better mentioned somewhere else than here. Because after all, this article should be about WWE perosonnel, not about a list of WWE personnel. For example it may be a better fit at Professional_wrestling#Professional_wrestling_in_mainstream_culture IllQuill (talk) 21:22, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

+1 to that. And article should not be self-referential. Its not a meta art piece. And anyway, it’s mentioned here on the talk page. Good enough. UniNoUta (talk) 03:54, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

"Manager"

Here's a thought... can we think of a catch-all term to use instead of Manager, Valet, etc? Like "Second" perhaps? It would save arguments over what constitutes a "Manager" or not IanPCP (talk) 11:04, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

Naitch is Lacey's "associate", OK. That should help calm the waters. (though I do think hairs are being split here, as "manager" has more or less been a catch-all term in and of itself forever around here). Vjmlhds (talk) 15:07, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

I still reckon it'll be best if we have a catch-all term; I would have suggested "manager" but apparently that isn't acceptable, hence recommending "second". Unless you feel "associate" can work for everything? IanPCP (talk) 18:04, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

Personally, I think "manager" is fine. But "associate" would be a decent 2nd option if more than one person has an issue with "manager". Vjmlhds (talk) 20:05, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

I also think "manager" is fine. Kjscotte34 (talk) 01:09, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

You don’t need to call him anything at all. There is no need to describe the relationships of every character to one another in a list of employees. It’s useless detail not relevant to the subject of the article. In a few cases, where there is an association between characters a la an -actual- managerial character who works for another (such as Heyman, Bivens, Stone) sure. But if they’re not... why the compulsion to say anything at all? Not everything needs to be described. If you have to stretch the concept of manager or valet to make something fit, consider that maybe it just doesn’t need to be there to begin with. It’s a list, not a novelization of the show. UniNoUta (talk) 11:20, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

I think the page would look better with consistency, be it everyone labelled as a "manager"/etc or no labels. Either works for me, but I think it looks like something is missing if, say, Paul Heyman has a note explaining what he does instead of wrestling, but Aalyah Mysterio doesn't. IanPCP (talk) 00:21, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

Plot descriptions and relations between characters generally do not belong on lists. As soon as you open that door, the page becomes a recap. Very few characters have any additional description outside of titles held.

For example:

Bobby Lashley does not have “member of The Hurt Business” on his listing.

Xavier Woods’ does not state “member of The New Day”.

Jey Uso’s does not state “cousin of Roman Reigns”

Jaxson Ryker’s does not say “acolyte of Elias”

Etc.

If you feel it is necessary to explain Ric Flair’s current storyline on a list of characters, the question is not whether to call him a manager or valet or associate - the onus first is to explain why it should be mentioned at all on a page where such a thing does not normally belong.

In the case of traditional roles such as a manager, valet, or bodyguard (of which he is none) it can make sense to include it.

But he’s none of those things. He doesn’t book matches for Lacey or advocate with management on her behalf. He’s sure not there as eye candy. It’s okay to just call him “Hall of Famer” and leave it at that. It’sa slippery slope before every character has a description after their name. Chad Gable is “the coach of Daniel Bryan and Otis” and John Morrison is “co-host of The Dirt Sheet”

Extraneous details need to be kept in check. There’s no reason to try to bend the definition of “manager” for him... just don’t mention it at all. Not everything warrants inclusion. UniNoUta (talk) 06:24, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

I really do think you are splitting hairs and picking nits here. Lashley, Woods, Uso, and Ryker are all wrestlers, which is their main job...anything else is gravy. Flair is NOT a wrestler, and is listed in "other personnel", so we have to note what his function is on the show (i.e. what purpose is he serving since he doesn't wrestle). He basically is a manager for Lacey Evans, and going into all these fine tooth comb minutiae arguments about what a manager actually does in wrestling is like trying to find a needle in a haystack. "Manager" has always been a catch-all kayfabe term to describe what guys like Flair are doing right now. So you need to chill regarding this issue, because it really looks like you are waging a one-man war here, as everyone else seems to think "manager" is at least OK. Vjmlhds (talk) 15:25, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

The reason I've always felt we needed something like "manager" was to explain what these people actually do if they're not wrestlers. John Morrison is listed as a wrestler, so mentioning his hosting of the Dirt Sheet is irrelevant. Ric Flair just being an "other on air personnel" doesn't really explain WHY he's on the list, and something like "manager of Lacey Evans" helps to explain why he belongs on the list. Sure, you might consider "other on air personnel" to be enough of an explanation, as is your prerogative. As I said before though, I'd deem consistency to be the most important issue here. Either every "other" personnel should have a label, or none of them do. IanPCP (talk) 15:59, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

Just my 2 cents. Ian, remember your discussion on the AEW roster. Being in a on-screen relationship isn't always "being a manager", just like Kip and Penelope. These workers (Mysterio, Flair) are just... other on ait personnel. Actors with not a wrestling or managerial role. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 10:30, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

I said Penelope wasn't a manager because she was a wrestler in her own right IanPCP (talk) 13:12, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Edge

Why isn't Edge listed in the Raw Male Superstars as he is currently active in it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2405:204:5381:5CC4:DEB:5B9B:4108:B154 (talk) 17:48, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

Bad Bunny

Bad Bunny shouldn't be in the article. The article is a list of people hired by WWE and Bad Bunny isn't. Is a celebrity invited by WWE, but is not one of their workers. Winning a title isn't a reason, since the article talks about workers, no titles (titles has their own article, List of current champions in WWE). This should be applied for future celebrities. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 14:30, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

For example, Taya left AAA and she stills the AAA Reina de Reinas champion. It's pointless to include her in the AAA roster just because she holds a title, since she is not with the promotion. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 14:33, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

I agree. That's part of the 24/7 title's gimmick, that anyone, even non-WWE contracted talent, can win it. Note that part about non-contracted talent. They're not WWE personnel, the subject of this article. oknazevad (talk) 15:09, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

We've always included champions on the roster with no issues, so why now are we having one? Also, Bad Bunny does have a contract with WWE as he has been all over Raw the last month...nobody works for free, It may be a short term deal going into WrestleMania, but there is pen to paper. Vjmlhds (talk) 15:13, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Doing something wrong for along time doesn't make it right. The article is about WWE personnel and Bad Bunny isn't one fo them. Just a colaboration bewteen Bunny and WWE, but he is not under contract. So, no source for a contract, no reason to include it. Also, most of the celebrities didn't have the title long enought, but Bad Bunny made me realice the issue with the celebrities in the article. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 15:16, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Well, here's a source detailing that WWE and Bad Bunny have long-range plans laid out leading into WrestleMania. Now this may all end at WM 37, but there is documentation that WWE and Bad Bunny have a deal in place as of right now (nobody said a deal/contract has to be forever and ever). Vjmlhds (talk) 15:27, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

If Bad Bunny is to stay on this page, I don't feel he belongs in the section for wrestlers. He's not a wrestler, and even if he is going to have a match at Wrestlemania, it still doesn't make him a wrestler. Snooki had a match at Wrestlemania and I will fight anyone who tries to claim she's a wrestler ;-) Seriously though, holding the 24/7 Title doesn't automatically make someone a "wrestler". Stick him in the Other On-Air section IanPCP (talk) 16:25, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

I think we're going down a road where we (in Wiki-land) are coming up with our own "purity" or litmus tests of who is and isn't a wrestler. Think about it this way...Elvis Presley was both a singer and actor who starred in movies. But there are some "purists" out there who say Elvis wasn't an actor, merely a singer who was in movies. How about The Rock...is he an actor, or a wrestler who has been in a few movies? How about Justin Timberlake...is he an actor, or a singer who has been in a couple of movies? Bad Bunny is under contract (albeit short term) with WWE and holds a championship. That automatically puts him in the wrestler file, because that's how we've always done things, and there's never been a fuss about it, until now. We're living in an age where people are sticking their toes in all kinds of waters, and it really isn't our place to "define" people, especially in the age of the "slash" (i.e. John Cena who is a wrestler/actor/rapper/commercial spokesman). Vjmlhds (talk) 17:44, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Again, always wrong doesn't make something right. Since there is a source, no problem. But include him as other on air, since he is not a wrestler and the title has been won by no wrestlers. His interaction in wwe has been as a no wrestler --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 18:13, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Once he loses the strap, he can go in the "other" pile, no problem, but since he is a champion, that by definition makes him a wrestler (for now) because he has to defend the title. The belt really does make a difference, because it must get defended in a wrestling match (be it in whatever form it takes), therefore it makes you a wrestler by default as long as you have a championship to defend. Vjmlhds (talk) 19:29, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

I just want to be clear...I'm not trying to be argumentative or cause an uproar, but the whole "champions on the list" thing comes down to this (which began eons ago) - when you have a title, you have all the obligations that come with holding it, i.e. defending it, thus even though you may not be a wrestler in the truest, purest sense, but because you have the title it makes you by default a wrestler because of what a championship is, being a prize contested for in wrestling matches. So for the purposes of this list, if one holds a title, they are considered wrestlers by default because they have to defend said title in wrestling matches (in whatever form they take), thus - even though they may not be a wrestler "by trade" - you have all the obligations a wrestler would have in defending the title. Donald Trump was a businessman and reality TV host who ran for President, and won. He wasn't a politician by trade or profession, but once he threw his name into the hat, he became one by default. Same thing here. Bad Bunny isn't a wrestler by trade (he's a rapper), but once he won that title, he became a wrestler by default because now he has to defend that title in matches the same way anybody else would. Vjmlhds (talk) 19:54, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

he is not a wrestler just because he won a title. Changing just because win/lost a belt shows that he is not a wrestler. Also, the point of the 24 7 is to have no wrestlers as champions. Winning a comedy title doesnt make you a wrestler. Being a wrestler makes you a wrestler--HHH Pedrigree (talk) 08:52, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

Vjmlhds, based on your posts here, it seems you don't really understand the 24/7 Championship. It is open to anyone, including non-wrestlers who are not employed or contracted by WWE. Holding that title does not automatically make someone a wrestler by default, as you say. Also, like 95% of the 24/7 Championship's title changes are not contested in a wrestling match (out of the 138 reigns, and a couple of successful defenses, only about 10-15 were actually contested as a match, and the ones that were matches were done by actual contracted wrestlers). The title changes are almost always someone sneaking up from behind the champion and pinning them backstage or at some random location. Even if he does have a wrestling match, that doesn't make him a wrestler. That's like calling some random celebrity a football player because they played in the Celebrity Flag Football Game, which also makes your scenarios of like The Rock and Justin Timberlake absurd. Bad Bunny might be doing some training at the Performance Center, but that doesn't make him a wrestler. That just means he's getting training so he knows how to do some moves and take some bumps. If he actually gets a long-term contract and wrestling becomes another profession for him, then he can be called a wrestler. --JDC808 ♫ 09:33, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

Just for curiosity's sake, what would have been done if the David Arquette deal (winning the World Title) happened and Wiki would have been around? How would that have been dealt with? Vjmlhds (talk) 13:59, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

Are you asking what we would have called him? At that time, he still would have been labeled an actor and not a wrestler. He only made some guest appearances and WCW, or I should say the idiot Vince Russo, thought it would be a marvelous idea to put the WCW World Championship on him "for publicity." Arquette even called himself a non-wrestler and was against the idea. Arquette did later become a wrestler, but at that time, no, we would have not called him one. --JDC808 ♫ 00:41, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

With Goldberg now in the ambassadors section (as he's had his one match for the year), it makes no sense at this point to have just Bad Bunny and Edge in their own special little non-branded section. BB has been on Raw since the Rumble, and Edge's business is all on SD leading up to Mania. Instead of doing the tit-for-tat stuff, let's hear from the peanut gallery, whatever they say goes, and this way we only have to do 1 edit (or none if they say BB/Raw and Edge/SD is fine). Vjmlhds (talk) 20:25, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

Long story short, it makes no sense to devote a whole section to just 2 guys. 5 or 6 guys and up...that's different, but 2 - not really. Vjmlhds (talk) 03:03, 7 March 2021 (UTC)

No reason. Edge and Bad Bunny aren't assigned to a brand, so they are unbranded. Even if Goldberg had his one match, he stills signed to a part time wrestler, no reason to move him to ambassador. the number of wrestlers doesn't matter. 2 or 1, these are unbranded. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 21:32, 7 March 2021 (UTC)

Let's think things through...Bad Bunny is more than likely done after Mania, so let's put him off to the side. That leaves us Edge and Goldberg. Let's say Edge wins the Universal Title at Mania (certainly possible)...does he go to SD then (as the Universal Title is SD property)? And if that happens, we have Goldberg in his own little section, which makes no sense. This is why I'd like to have the discussion now, before we start getting hot and heavy, because there's a lot of moving parts and a lot of variables in play here. Vjmlhds (talk) 22:47, 7 March 2021 (UTC)

Stills no reason. Bad Bunny shouldn't be even on the list, since he is not hired by WWE (but since the "he is a champ", he is on the list). Even if Edge won a title, he can be an unassigned wrestler winning a branded championship. Even if he is traded to SmackDown, no reason to delete the section just because there is just Goldberg. Do you prefer to include them in wrong sections? --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 09:40, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

WWE executives category

I think we can do a better organization of WWE off-screen personnel. I recommend maybe just mentioned the key executives, with Chief or VP in their corporate title. Getting rid of listing the Board of Directors. Keeping everyone listed with Chief in their title.

I also recommend a Talent Relations category, with John Laurinitis (who is now the Head of Talent relations as the General Manager, Talent), Canyon Ceman, Mark Carrano, etc.

The Creative Team, I say we just mention Prichard and the new VP of Creative Operations. Perhaps merging with the Producers.

Just some ideas. Take it however you want. I just think we can better organize it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by NicolasRSparrow (talk • contribs) 15:48, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

Perhaps we can organize it as

Backstage Personal:

Executive Leadership Team Vince, HHH, Stephanie, Nick Khan, etc.

Key Executives and Directors John Laurinitis, Bruce Prichard, Michael Hayes,

Performance Center Staff

Producers

Other Recognized names that hold a position within wwe — Preceding unsigned comment added by NicolasRSparrow (talk • contribs) 15:57, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

Anthony Henry / Duke Hudson

Has anyone actually got a reference that "Duke Hudson" is Anthony Henry's WWE name? I've seen it listed as a WWE trademark filing, but nothing that actually assigns the name to Henry. IanPCP (talk) 22:34, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

According to meltzer, Peacock order WWE to release every commentary team, except english and spanish

"According to meltzer, Peacock order WWE to release every commentary team, except English and Spanish." Remember that Meltzer is the same person reported back in September 2020 that Melina was returning to WWE so Meltzer can also be wrong/spread rumors. That being said so far longtime WWE French-language commentators Jean Brassard and Raymond Rougeau are no longer working with the company according to a Tweet from Brassard which translates as “My heart is heavy having to share that due to restructuring via the Peacock Network, Raymond Rougeau and I are no longer commenting for WWE as of today. Thank you for all these wonderful years! -I will continue to entertain you one way or another! [folded hands emoji] [raised fist emoji] [heart emoji],”. So far only the French commentary team are officialy gone. No official news about the commentary teams aren't English or Spanish being gone yet. - 51.146.252.119 (talk) 22:54, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

"Chen Sbarro" name

Where did this name for Harlem Bravado/Clint Barrow come from? IanPCP (talk) 18:01, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

I don't now but on the Performance center website his name is written "Chance Barrow" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.121.210.148 (talk) 19:43, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Rohan Raja in NXT UK Roster

If Bailey Matthews is considered as a UK roster member (after a match he lost), Rohan Raja and Levi Muir should be included in the roster as well. Especially since Raja is involved in a storyline now. What do you think about it ?

Bailey Matthews should be moved back to the WWE PC section (which is also where Raja and Muir belong, IMO) IanPCP (talk) 14:00, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

This. If they're not listed on the main WWE website as being on the roster of a particular brand, they aren't to be listed on this page as part of that brand. A tryout match or appearance as enhancement talent doesn't put one on a roster.

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Sareena Sandhu

Has anyone got a reference that she's actually signed to a contract, other than her appearance on Superstar Spectacle? WWE has since announced PC classes - and updated the PC website - with no mention of her. IanPCP (talk) 17:58, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

True, she's not listed on the PC site, but it doesn't look like they update the site very often. It still says Velveteen Dream is on the current PC roster. 2603:7000:8302:FF00:64ED:4F2B:E35B:D1A2 (talk) 19:13, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

They have deleted the Velveteen Dream image though (which is why it shows up as "image coming soon") IanPCP (talk) 11:04, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

NXT UK Stevie Turner

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Change Kofi Kingston’s name. On smackdown they call him Sir Kofi Kingston. So just put the sir in the beginning. Brodydaone (talk) 01:14, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

Paige NXT Referee

There's a Paige that referees at NXT Source: https://twitter.com/refpaigewwe SilverJ77 (talk) 09:16, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

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Brock Lesnar is not a part of the SmackDown roster. He is a free agent. Just like Goldberg, John Cena and Elias.

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Stephanie

Does Stephanie stay in WWE? Several sources like fightfull, Business Insider and PWInsider reported she left the company. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 19:08, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_WWE_personnel#NXT_UK

Has errors

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NXT_United_Kingdom_Championship

Tyler Bate NOT champion 2A02:C7F:32A7:DC00:C074:CB7D:F14C:5AAA (talk) 10:34, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

 Not done. The link you have provided states that Tyler Bate IS the champion. Aidan9382 _(talk) 17:36, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

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Change Iyo Sky name to IYO SKY, cause it's in caps. Elpresiobama (talk) 13:55, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

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Pat McAfee

Wrestler, announcer, combination of both?

They always seem to use him on the major shows, so they do see him as an attraction.

They save the bullets for the major shows, I'll concede, but the fact it IS the major shows says something.

Let's discuss, and see where it goes.

Vjmlhds (talk) 00:52, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

Broadcast team. WWE sees him as a major atraction. So? The section is Male wrestlers, not attractions. Since his debut in 2018, MacAfee just had 4 matches (last one at WM this year), but the 99% of the time he works as part of the broadcast team. Should we put im in the Male wrestler section even if he doesn't work on a daily basis as wrestler and his full time job is being part of the broadcast team? No I would happen the same that WM, be in the wrestlers section for a few weeks and, after the show, back to the broadcast section. The point is that you see other sections not good enough for them, even if it's a neutral description of his job. Several non-wrestlers had feuds an matches in the past (Michael Cole, Jim Ross, Earl Hebner), it doesn't make them wrestlers. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 07:51, 26 June 2022 (UTC)--HHH Pedrigree (talk) 07:51, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

I agree. Sometimes non-wrestler personnel will have a feud that ends with a match. Doesn't make it appropriate to list as a full-time wrestler. We really shouldn't be swapping categories based on current storylines, as that's purely in-universe stuff. If someone is signed or released, or called up from NXT to the main roster, sure, that deserves an appropriate edit. But not for this. oknazevad (talk) 13:03, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

Meh...win some, lose some, Que sera, sera. Vjmlhds (talk) 13:58, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

What's the point of a discussion if one week later you don't respect it? --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 17:21, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

Because a week later the situation was different. What looked good a week ago may not look as good now as things move along. My point was that now the match is confirmed and feud has kicked into gear, that McAfee is above just mere announcer status - he's now knee deep in the storyline. But if that still isn't moving the needle to move him from where he was, I'm not gonna force the issue. I made my move, explained why, and can see that it still isn't tickling other people's fancies, so if everybody is still adamant he not be moved out of announcers, that's fine, as that's not a hill I feel like dying on. Vjmlhds (talk) 18:40, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

The situation is exactly the same. McAfee is a commentator who feuds with a wrestler and they are gonna have a match. I was aware of that, Oknazevad was aware of that. Oknazevad's argument is the same "Sometimes non-wrestler personnel will have a feud that ends with a match. Doesn't make it appropriate to list as a full-time wrestler." --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 18:53, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

Just to nip this sort of thing in the bud for future reference, I think the rule we should adopt is asking what contract the talent is signed under. McAfee, despite his occasional match, is still signed as a commentator, not an in-ring competitor. — Czello 18:58, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

As per the reference I provided on the main page, McAfee talks about his frequent Wellness tests, indicating WWE views him as in ring talent (they wouldn't be doing Wellness tests if he were just an announcer). I know we reached consensus here, and I was abiding by it, but this new - and verified - information changes things, as like with anything else in life, things change as more information becomes known. Vjmlhds (talk) 04:04, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

Here is the Wellness policy itself. I wanted this to be seen because it deals specifically with in-ring talent. Since McAfee himself has pointed out all the tests he has taken, this should make it clear WWE views him as an in ring talent, as well as being an announcer. Vjmlhds (talk) 04:11, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

Hard disagree here. Spends 48 weeks of the year commentating. 4 weeks wrestling. No need to change things for the sake of changing things. Kjscotte34 (talk) 06:23, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

Also, the reference states that "talent" are tested. Nowhere does it say "in-ring" talent. Even if the testing is for in-ring talent, his primary job is still as a commentator who sometimes wrestles. I'm reverting your change and also reminding you that your block from a couple of years ago warns you against battleground and edit wars. Stick with the consensus please, otherwise we need to go to dispute resolution and possible WP:AE Kjscotte34 (talk) 10:45, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

I wasn't looking to upset any apple carts, i just made the change due to some new information coming out, and making sure to reference it.. But if that is going to cause a stink, I won't belabor the issue, and I'll let it be. Vjmlhds 12:15, 3 August 2022 (UTC) Vjmlhds 12:15, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

Kjscotte34 Having said all that, I think you're being a little flippant talking about edit wars. Edit wars are rapid fire, back and forth, tit for tat reverts...not making a revert a month later based on referenced information. If I were doing bang-bang-bang tit for tat, that would be one thing, and you'd have a point. But a single edit a month later that was referenced, and letting it go after it was reverted does not an edit war make. Vjmlhds (talk) 12:26, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

Again, disagree. McAfee works mainly as commentator, not as wrestler. The link says "WWE talent", not "WWE wrestlers". Also, WP:OR or WP:SYNTH. ""McAfee said he was tested, the policy says the company tests their talent, so that means McAfee is a wrestler??". I don't see sources about McAfee being a wrestler or the reason to include a man who works 99% of the time on the broadcast table as a wrestler, only because he had 2 matches. Looks like you are obsessed with McAfee as a wrestler, more than a "mere" commentator. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 21:40, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

Not "obsessed" (kind of an over the top word to used, BTW) - just going by some new information that came out. Notice before McAfee did his interview and revealed he did Wellness testing, I was OK with the status quo. Then the new info came out, and I thought that it changed things, but if people don't want them changed, I won't fight city hall. Gotta say though, people kinda get the vapors around here if something gets changed - even if verified references would justify it - because they can't wait to trip over themselves to cite WP:This or WP:That. Don't need all the hyperbole. Vjmlhds (talk) 23:07, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

Heritage Cup - still an active title?

I say it is, based on it is still listed on Noam Dar's wwe.com profile, as well as the cup being listed as "- present" on the list of championships, instead of "- 2022" like the other NXT UK titles. Vjmlhds thinks not, as it's no longer listed on the wwe.com/superstars 'roll call' of titles. Anyone else care to wade in? Thanks. IanPCP (talk) 22:34, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Removed from the roll call, no longer active, another case of sloppy housekeeping by WWE.com...updated X, but neglected to update Y, and it leads to confusion. Vjmlhds (talk) 22:39, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Whilst you may be correct, you don't have a valid source that says the Heritage Cup has been deactivated and are going on an assumption. IanPCP (talk) 22:41, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

This is a case where you're not gonna get a bold proclamation by WWE...it just quietly faded away, with some buttoning up to be done on WWE.com. This is why we're here - to let consensus figure it out. Vjmlhds (talk) 22:47, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

I'm not expecting a bold proclamation, just for it to be edited on the website in the same way the rest were. But yeah, we've both said our piece... over to everyone else to chime in IanPCP (talk) 23:02, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

This is one of those scenarios where I ask why they'd do something and neglect something else in the same vein.

Specifically, NXT UK is dead and all the titles are deactivated. So why would their third or fourth tier title still be active? SkylerLovefist (talk) 00:03, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Exactly. The fact that Dar is not on the roll call of current champions means that WWE doesn't count it as a current championship. That seems pretty self-explanatory. oknazevad (talk) 01:57, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Agree. Looks like WWE didn't upload the Heritage Cup page. But seems deactivated. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 08:18, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Wow!
Me, Skyler, HHH, and Okanzevad all in agreement!
That calls for a celebration! Vjmlhds (talk) 14:19, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Cool, a consensus has been reached. I'll leave the page is as. Thank you for your contributions IanPCP (talk) 17:02, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Elektra Lopez currently links to the Legado Del Fantasma article

As seen on SmackDown, Legado del Fantasma debutted on the Main Roster without Elektra Lopez (who doesn't have her own article and thus now will need one considering that as far the WWE officials are concerned Escobar's "family is forever" quote didn’t apply to Lopez thus meaning that as things stand Legado and Lopez have split up) alongside a returning Zelina Vega (in her new blonde look). - 2A02:C7F:EDA0:6400:C167:CE7D:1646:2FB3 (talk) 10:37, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

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Change Knisley to Knisely Nicolenmg (talk) 15:43, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

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Sarah Logan

Is back to smackdown with Vikings dudes Add her 95.179.127.222 (talk) 18:05, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

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Have Sonya Deville returned to NXT?

Joining Toxic Attraction Or just one match?[5][6][7] --Mann Mann (talk) 03:12, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

Just a brief pop-in to move the Mandy Rose-Alba Fyre feud along. Main roster wrestlers have been periodically visiting NXT for awhile now...this is no different. Vjmlhds (talk) 03:54, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

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Karl Anderson

At Crown Jewel WWE acknowlaged Karl as NEVER Openweight Champion so why not add that to his notes, I know he's not defending it on WWE as of now, bet NEVER say NEVER... and also its rare to see this kind of thing anyways, and even being mentioned is still unic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.252.207.45 (talk) 17:50, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Kendrick is not a producer for wwe

Brian Kendrick only worked survivor series as he was a trainer of Ronda rousey and she wanted him there to help produce the match with shotzi Standards1972 (talk) 02:27, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 August 2022

My request is that Gigi Dolin and Jacy Jayne should be on smackdown and therefore I would like to change it. Yammy42774 (talk) 10:38, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 17:06, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

@Yammy42774 except Gigi and jayce haven't been on smackdown in 2 months and still featured heavily on NXT Standards1972 (talk) 02:28, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

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Regarding Cameron Grimes' current status

Grimes is done with NXT and is awaiting main roster assignment. He is expected to debut on Raw or Smackdown after WrestleMania. In the meantime, I have moved him to the "unassigned" section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aurelian Wolf (talk • contribs) 04:20, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

How will the WWE and UFC merger effect the personnel pages?

Someone is going to have ask this question. How will the WWE and UFC merger effect the personnel pages of both companies? As we already know from listening to/reading the news, WWE has been sold to Endeavor and will merge with UFC thus the WWE and UFC merger will put Dana White at the same level as Nick Khan and making Vince his (Dana's) boss. - 2A02:C7C:53C1:E00:2593:980B:3547:CE39 (talk) 11:29, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

I can't see how it'd affect the pages at all - they're not literally becoming the same company, they'll both be subsidiaries of Endeavor. Personnel pages should therefore continue as normal. — Czello 11:41, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

They actually are becoming the same company. Endeavor have said they'll merge WWE and UFC into a new corporate entity, and THAT new company will be a subsidiary of Endeavor. I do agree that it won't effect WWE/UFC roster pages though, as this new company will presumably still run WWE and UFC as separate entities. IanPCP (talk) 12:47, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

Interesting, I wasn't aware of that. But yes, I suppose it'll change the meaning of "WWE" from being a company to being a brand, leading to the articles largely remaining the same. Perhaps a new category will unify them in some way. — Czello 12:50, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

Endeavor has all kinds of entities under their banner - UFC, (soon to be) WWE, Professional Bull Riders, IMG (talent agency), and others. . Endeavor will basically put UFC and WWE into bucket A, other stuff into Bucket B, Bucket C, etc. Don't read too much into things. Business as usual as far as this article goes. Vjmlhds (talk) 13:49, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

Heritage Cup

So we don't wind up in a big back and forth, WWE hasn't reinstituted the Heritage Cup as an active championship. Yes, Noam Dar had the trophy with him, but WWE hasn't reactivated it. It hasn't been added back to WWE.com's champions roll call. If/when it gets added back there, then by all means do it here, but until then hold off. Vjmlhds (talk) 14:06, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

I disagree. We last saw Noam Dar as the officially recognised Heritage Cup holder. As I mentioned at the time, WWE.com changed every other NXT UK title to say "-2022" but kept the Heritage Cup as "-present". Noam's profile has still kept the Cup as a current title (in the same way all other champions have their titles as a clickable link below their name); and now he's shown back up on TV, still with the Cup, and saying he's looking for challengers. IanPCP (talk) 22:39, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

They'll probably go down the route of the FTW Championship - acknowledged but not recognised. I'd hold off for the time being until we know for sure. Duffs101 (talk) 23:16, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

https://www.wwe.com/titlehistory/nxt-uk-heritage-cup has Noam listed as the current champ, with a reign currently at 224 days. IanPCP (talk) 11:47, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

@IanPCP exactly. The title was never retired. While all the other NXT UK titles got retired in September 2022, the Heritage Cup actually remained active on that link on WWE.com. It was just in a limbo until now. JDC808 ♫ 05:38, 8 April 2023 (UTC)

I'll concede for now, but let's see where this leads. Vjmlhds (talk) 14:10, 8 April 2023 (UTC)

"Free Agents"

Is there a chance we could put the rest of the undrafted people in the "free agent" (nonexclusive) section. Like Randy Orton, Alexa Bliss and the rest of injured people along with Carmella and who ever else was not eligible for the draft? Considering that they are, unless I am wrong, "free agents" since they were not drafted and are not apart of either roster?! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.159.216.154 (talk) 15:31, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 May 2023

Add the following males to list of Performance Center Trainees: -Coy Wanner -Andrzej Hughes-Murray -Hunter Smallback -Michael Macchiavello -Vlad Pavlenko Thecruton (talk) 17:24, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 17:48, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 May 2023

Mustafa Ali should be before MVP alphabetically as "mu" comes before "mv" alphabetically. - 90.217.4.241 (talk) 13:19, 18 May 2023 (UTC) 90.217.4.241 (talk) 13:19, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

 Done DreamRimmer (talk) 14:14, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Billy Kidman

I'm not sure how or why rumors spread that Kidman left WWE's production team in 2021/2022, but this is entirely untrue. In fact, he STILL works for WWE as the program coordinator (he coordinates show segments from the "Gorilla Position"). This was confirmed when it was announced that he didn't make the trip to Saudi Arabia for Night of Champions 2023 and had his position covered by referee, Jason Ayers. (Edit: I really got to learn how to sign these things. Sorry, SineBot) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aurelian Wolf (talk • contribs) 02:08, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

Wrong Amari Miller listed

Hello there,

When I hover over the entry named Amari Miller, it shows that the subject is an English professional footballer, which she is not. Please correct it asap. Thank you. 188.236.79.209 (talk) 12:51, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

They should be redlinked until an article is created for them under Amiri Miller (wrestler). Just because an article exists for a wrestler's gimmick name doesn't mean that the article should be linked to them as otherwise you get problems like Amiri Miller in List of WWE personnel being linking to a male English professional footballer or Loch Ness (Martin Ruane) getting linking to Scotland's Loch Ness because someone didn't add (wrestler) to Loch Ness when talking about the wrestler. There is also an American actress called Amiri Miller. But Amiri Miller isn't the only where the female wrestler who needs an article page as Arianna Grace links to her father's wiki. Elektra Lopez still links to the Legado Del Fantasima page even Lopez stopped being a member when Santos, Toro & Wilde moved to SmackDown where they aligned with Zelina Vega. 2A02:C7C:53C1:E00:A849:F8A0:C3A9:B9A5 (talk) 09:57, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

 Fixed Converted to redlink. — Czello ^(music) 10:00, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 July 2023

Oliver 2223 (talk) 08:22, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

Bray Wyatt inactive undisclosed injury Wendy choo inactive unknown injury Ariana grace inactive unknown injury

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Semi-protected edit request on 9 August 2023

Deadlink on ring announcer samantha 2001:1C03:59C6:9500:1434:6FA8:541B:1ADC (talk) 16:09, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Pinchme123 (talk) 21:18, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 December 2023

Trish Stratus removed from the current main roster. She has confirmed that she has finished on this run and after 3 months of no activity, she should be removed. 2A00:23C4:A9A0:5301:FCB5:A23B:AE7A:FDC0 (talk) 23:55, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

 Not done please provide reliable sources supporting the change you want made. Rehsarb (talk) 14:02, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

Lee Fitting

Lee Fitting was just hired as Head of Media & Production and should be in the senior management section

Source: https://corporate.wwe.com/news/company-news/2024/01-09-20 207.244.221.54 (talk) 01:10, 10 January 2024 (UTC)