Talk:List of Saint Seiya characters/Archive 2
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What to take as canon?
Ok, here's the deal. You guys keep on arguing about different ways to spell names, etc. So why don't we establish a clear set of rules? First, do we all agree that whatever appeared in the original manga ( not translations of some other languages) should be taken as canon and non-disputable? Ric 00:58, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
Everything appearing in the manga and accurate. Folken de Fanel 01:00, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
- I do not agree. If it's from some other sources, you can say it's not accurate. However, this article is about Saint Seiya. Saint Seiya is created by Kurumada. Since he is the creator, whatever written by him is accurate with respect to this article. Ric 01:16, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
- As I said earlier, even after writing this, I'm not so sure you'll be ready to definitely erase the words "Bronze" or "Andromeda" from your vocabulary, and replace them until the world ends, by "Blonze" and "Andlomeda". ;)
- That's what I implied by "accuracy". As I've explained, the japanese literally suck at romanisation.
- So it's obvious Saint Seiya uses real astronomical references, and it is clear that the character "Shun" is the Saint of Andromeda, not "Andlomeda", which is not an existing constellation. You see what I mean by "accuracy" ? Even if it comes from the manga, it's still an enormous TYPO that we can't take into account. Moreover, these typoes only appeared in a side-work, an encyclopedia seperated from the actual manga (that is, the storyline). In the manga, the names are only in japanese characters. And for a certain number of charaters, their names are exact transcription of existing foreign words, so we'll use these words, as it has always been done before. Folken de Fanel 11:53, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
The actual main issue does not fall under those name from astrology, it's the ones like Cassios/Casios, Kaysa/Casa, Esmerarda/Esmeralda.
- But it's the same. Why would we talk about some typoes and not others ? Andlomeda is a typo exactly like Esmerarda is. Both were published in the very same book. Folken de Fanel
What the author wrote in origin in Japanese would be correct (before any translation made into english). First of all, the author have the right to name his character however he wants, and how ever he wants to spell them, the problem is, author never officially published those "common" like names in English spelling only in romanji so there are no 100% proof as to the "correct" english spelling. Like parents nameing their childs, for the common name like Allen/Alan/Ellen/Allan can have different spelling to the parent's liking. Therefore author have the same right to make different kind of spelling to his liking for names like Kaysa/Casa, Esmerarda/Esmeralda, etc.
- But we're only talking about romanisation typoes, here, not spellings to "the liking of the author". Remember Andlomeda.Folken de Fanel
The suggestion of that Japanese "sucks" at romanji conversion applied to this would be a personal POV.
- This is fact, from the "Andlomeda" or "Rizard" or "santol" or "Blonze" things. And also because I've seen numerous "funky" transcription into romaji by the japanese. Folken de Fanel
Author did not officially published those romanji name in full english translation which lead to the full on "discussion" of this topic. The example of "Bronze" and "Andromeda" can not be used as sufficient example because those have hard core evidence due to the way author build the story. Saint Seiya uses astrology signs and mineral elements of Steel, Bronze, Silver and Gold which is undisputable. Common naming on the other hand would be hard to determine since the author never officially published those romanji name in full on english letters. Since the author did not wrote in english, to provide those info on this wiki site we would have to use the translated versions and we cite them as it is published fact but we make no claim as to it "is" the official correct names/spelling that author decided since author only wrote in Japanese. If one would declare that foreign published work is not good enough to cite from then it would apply to all, including english published work because Saint Seiya came from Japan, anything outside of Japan would be "foreign" which in that case, anything we wrote here in english would not be good enough. Wiki is build by concensus of all editors here, if we need to create a rule for translation, it would have to be agreed by majorities. Simply declaring Japanese "sucks" at translating romanji is not good enough.Yajaec 18:40, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
- It might not be good enough for you, but it's true nonetheless and we have to take that into account, before deciding that the author has chosen the names "to his liking", while these aforesaid names are obvious and undisputable typoes (Andlomeda). In those circumstances, you would have to really prove they were intended to be used in a proper way and were not mere typoes due to a weak mastering of the roman alphabet by japanese people...Folken de Fanel 20:29, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
- No, we are not allow to "decide" for author when he never declair the official english spelling, all we can do is state what was published in all variations. We are not here to prove anything thing, we state the variations and cite from them which falls under the NPOV rule. What you believe to be typos and false romanji translation is your own POV since you are not the publisher to admit they have made a mistake(no matter what you think) nor are you the author who never made the statement that those publisher make the spelling errors (no matter how wrong you think it is).
- We 'know they are typoes, even you have admitted it. It's undisputable. And please don't answer violently any longer.
- Making decisions like that is personal POV when neither publisher nor author stated what is correct english spelling or wrong. When stating all the published names (no matter how right or wrong you think they are, they are published and have not been disputed by neither author nor publisher themselves) we provide note stating the variation of the translations of different publishers and make no claims as to what is absolutly correct and this is within NPOV rule and let the readers decide themselves.Yajaec 21:20, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
- I'm not making decisions, I'm stating facts. it's only your POV saying we don't know. Folken de Fanel
- No, we are not allow to "decide" for author when he never declair the official english spelling, all we can do is state what was published in all variations. We are not here to prove anything thing, we state the variations and cite from them which falls under the NPOV rule. What you believe to be typos and false romanji translation is your own POV since you are not the publisher to admit they have made a mistake(no matter what you think) nor are you the author who never made the statement that those publisher make the spelling errors (no matter how wrong you think it is).
![[1]](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v226/temppics/vol06-01-eagle.jpg){kind=link}
mmm... simply to add a line like "the official spelling is XXX but it's probably\noticeably a typo" isn't good enough? This set everything, since it gives the official spelling(wrong or right has no importance in this way), the more probably correct spelling and warn one of them may be wrong...Sirtao 22:07, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
- I can't see the point in all this. It would only confuse the readers.
- What's the point of adding alternate spellings just to say that they can't be taken into account ? Better not to write it at all. Folken de Fanel 00:50, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
- the point of adding alternate spellings is give more information. More information is good. We must NOT decide what is important and what is not. It's a related information? then add it makes sense. I cannot see any good reason to don't add the official spelling... they _ARE_ the official spelling, as wrong as they can be.Sirtao 01:38, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
- I still can't see the point, and the point of adding "more information" if it's erroneous.
- These are not official spellings. they are translations published in a side-work.
- As I say, you have to realise that we'll also have to change the word "Bronze" to "Blonze". Folken de Fanel 10:49, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
- the point of adding alternate spellings is give more information. More information is good. We must NOT decide what is important and what is not. It's a related information? then add it makes sense. I cannot see any good reason to don't add the official spelling... they _ARE_ the official spelling, as wrong as they can be.Sirtao 01:38, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
Meh, simply take the western name first then the romanisation of the Kanji next to it. It's as simple as that. Refuteku 23:33, 24 November 2006
All right, I am back and I am making one comment here. "Blonze", "Rizard" or whatever are not important here, they did not appear in the original manga, thus they are NOT canon whatever the spelling. However, in the newly re-published manga this year (I mean the Japanese version, pure and original), the English words for the names are given (for example EAGLE MARIN for this picture [2]). Since this is the OFFICIAL document, I believe we should use whatever the spelling given there. Ric 23:17, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
- "All right, I am back and I am making one comment here. "Blonze", "Rizard" or whatever are not important here, they did not appear in the original manga, thus they are NOT canon whatever the spelling" : So you're saying "Andlomeda" is canon, then ? It's simple, we won't use nonsensical names that are mere typoes, that's all.
- We'll use the names as they were intended by Kurumada (if he decided to give english katakana names to his characters we'll use them, and that's already done in the article) but this whole discussion about various engrish typoes is pointless. Folken de Fanel 01:11, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
- No. I said only the original manga is canon. As far as I know, the original manga used the spelling "Andromeda"[3], not "Andlomeda".
- And I know you have reverted my edits on Hercules Algethi and Cerberus Dante. I don't see the words Heracles Algethi and Kerberos Dante appear in the original manga. Ric 20:53, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
![[3]](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v226/temppics/vol03-02-andromeda.jpg){kind=link}
- But "Black Andlomeda" is in the original manga too. So, unless it implies some secret plot or mysteries about a "twin constellation" or whatever named "Andlomeda", a la Da Vinci Code, we both agree that both "Andromeda" and "Andlomeda" were in the original manga, and that as both spellings cannot be possible at the same time, we both agree that "Andlomeda" and other "excentric" spellings are mere engrish typoes due to the well known "habit" of the japanese of misspelling romaji words.
- Taken from the engrish article : "The term originates from the fact that Japanese and a few other East Asian languages do not have separate sounds for R and L. In Japanese the R sound is pronounced as an alveolar lateral flap (ɺ), articulated with the tongue flapped against the hard palate behind the front teeth, so that it sounds like a Spanish soft R. Because Japanese does not have a separate equivalent for the English L, native Japanese speakers not fluent in English often mispronounce English words containing the letter L. "
- So the matter is settled, all these excentric spellings are mere typoes, thus totally inaccurate and which will NEVER be in the article (unless you're ready to justify the use of "Andlomeda").
- For your other question, well, that's simply their names. If, as you say, we must stick to what the original says, then we'll take these names. Because the original names of the characters are ヘラクレス (Herakuresu = Heracles) and ケルベロス (Keruberos = Kerberos). Folken de Fanel 00:49, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
- What if I tell you that the manga gives the English spelling "Cerberus Dante"? Are you going to say this is a typo like Andlomeda and insist on using Kerberos? Ric 06:13, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
- Yes because that's not what's written in japanese. We have to remain faithfull to the original. These badly romanized names are not the original but translations. If they differ from the original name (like "Andlomeda) they are of no use...Folken de Fanel 10:40, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
- What if I tell you that the manga gives the English spelling "Cerberus Dante"? Are you going to say this is a typo like Andlomeda and insist on using Kerberos? Ric 06:13, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
Character Headlines
I'm really tired of you guys putting these fake headlines for the characters. For Kanon, " The Man Who Tempted The Gods", or Orphee, " The Strongest Silver Saint". Unless if you can give me proof, I'll delete this message. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Tetris325 (talk • contribs) 14:53, 3 April 2007 (UTC).
Combined Article for Minor Spectres
I thought i should put Golem Rock, Deadly Beetle Stand, Troll Ivan, Dullahan Cube, Gorgon OX, Elf Mills and the rest of Spectres with only stars in one article. So if no one has any objections, i am gonna do so in a couple of days. Refuteku) 20:01, 26 August 2007
- To delete all the characters' summaries and just put a link up to pages without such a thing having been decided with others is not the best to do, and if it were agreed to do so, then transfering the info would be necessary too, for example, this page seems quite more accurate in translation than the specific pages (just compare Shiryu's moves' name in this page and in his specific page). --Andrelvis 18:10, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
- They are complete stub and one shot characters. There's no need to even discuss, in fact. Articles should be only to relevant character, not everyone who appeared. Let's refrain ourselves before some mod appears and we have to delete all of them. - Access Timeco 16:01, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
- I thought Wikipedia was an Encyclopedia? Or did i get that part wrong? Then maybe you should go over to the other countries Wiki's and tell them the same, no? --Refuteku 18:08, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
- Refuteku, stop vandalising. Removing character descriptions NEEDS to be discussed before done. You cannot just remove information and expect that it will be fine. At least take the care to move the information to the character's main page, instead of just deleting it and leave a technical profile of the character, not necessarily his entire history, for example:
- Eagle Marin
* Age: 16 * Height: 167 cm * Weight: 51 kg * Birth: March 18th * Sign: Pisces * Blood: A type * Birth Place: Japan * Trained in: Sanctuary, Greece * Techniques: Eagle Toe Flash, Ryū Sei Ken, Kū Ken * Seiyuu: Yuriko Yamamoto (山本百合子), Fumiko Inoue (井上富美子)in "Tenkai Hen, Meikai"
--Andrelvis 17:21, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
- I'm not vandalising Andrelvis, the reason i removed the character descriptions was because most of those info's were wrong/ or was already on their respective place. As Eagle Marin was. --Refuteku 21:39, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
- Either don't change anything or add the information previously here to the respective page. That technical profile of Marin I copied from the "Eagle Marin" article, as you can see, the techniques miss having translations, which they had in this article. As it is, you're just doing harm to the knowledge of Saint Seiya accumulated in wikipedia. --Andrelvis 18:29, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
- I see you are not a native speaker of english, and i understand that you did not understand my statement. I say again, the statistic information in the "Eagle Marin" article was already correct. So there was no need for the description.--Refuteku 21:55, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
- Either don't change anything or add the information previously here to the respective page. That technical profile of Marin I copied from the "Eagle Marin" article, as you can see, the techniques miss having translations, which they had in this article. As it is, you're just doing harm to the knowledge of Saint Seiya accumulated in wikipedia. --Andrelvis 18:29, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
- Like Refuteku said, there is no need to repeat informations there are on the individual articles. If we can resume everything about a character in one or two paragraphs, then he doesn't need an article. :/
- And about that, we just have WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY too many articles! I know that other wikipedias have articles to every single character, but that is their fault. They are wrong, and that doesn't excuse us doing the same.
- Here on the english wikipedia, the rules are respected as much as possible. The character articles should be the least: just the really relevant characters. For Christ sake, we have an article to Ivan! He died on the same page he appeared! He just had one (unfinished) line on the story! I'm sorry, guys, but we can't have this many articles. If you want to see, go to One Piece, Naruto or Bleach and look how many character articles they have. I suggest:
- Keep: Seiya, Shiryu, Hyoga, Shun, Ikki, the gold saints, the three judges, Marin, Shaina, Orphee, Sorrento, Kanon, Isaac.
- Merge: Everyone else!
- Create?: Athena.
- If you pay some atention, a lot of characters without enough relevance would still keep their articles (if you look at Naruto area, probably only the 5 main bronze saints would deserve their own articles).
- After that, it would be good an improvement on the articles that remain. They don't have a pattern, just too many images, trivia... that would be an easy part I believe. I thought about doing that last week, but I'm kinda busy and no much time for this (EDIT: since I have free time today, I started this part of structure. I already did the Aphrodite one - since he is my favorite XP - and will keep going. See there and post here what you guys think).
- Keep this is mind: this is an encyclopedia, not a fan site. - Access Timeco 14:28, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
Hm, ok then. Though i suggest we keep Papillon Myu, and either Balron Lune or Harpy Valentine. Acheron charon is also one of them that would be wise to keep. Since they tell some good plot points that make the story go forward.
Thus we should clearly make an Manga to Anime differences section, since most of those are covered in the separate character articles.--Refuteku 18:32, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
- Since nobody disagreed what I said more than a week ago, I will go on and "delete" those articles.
- And it would help a lot if someone else help putting the articles into the new structure... only the Gold Saints are already done and the Bronze Saints will need a complete rewrite :/ - Access Timeco 20:31, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
- I have started editing the old info in the Character summaries now, so that is covered. I'll get to the bronze Saints eventually. Oh and i suggest we add Cepheus Daidalos, since he is a rather important character for Andromeda Shun in his development. --Refuteku 20:26, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
- Still, all articles for minor characters are here, even Lionet Ban (that guy even celebrated in when he said his first word in manga, he was voted as one of the worst character in the manga edition of my country cos of his lack of appareances). I could be all the day talking all the day. Daidalos only appear in a few flashbacks.
- Keep: Seiya, Shiryu, Hyoga, Shun, Ikki, the gold saints (giving a better explanation og EpG), the three judges, Marin, Shaina, Orphee, Kanon, Hades, Athena
- Still, all articles for minor characters are here, even Lionet Ban (that guy even celebrated in when he said his first word in manga, he was voted as one of the worst character in the manga edition of my country cos of his lack of appareances). I could be all the day talking all the day. Daidalos only appear in a few flashbacks.
Create section of minor saints (there Daidalos goes) and Poseidon soldiers article. If Poseidon, Thanathos and Hypnos keep is up to a discussion (considering that we put Thanathos and Hypnos in Lost Canvas). I almost totally agree with Access Timeco, but if I do sth without discussing you will hate me. - Tintor2 20:28, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
The concept of: "What matters is the cause, not the power" is valid even for villains compared to Gold Saints'.
As you rightly said, even if there are some Gold Saints who have a superior level like Saga or Shaka, most of them are more or less equal. And even if one of them might be superior to another, what matters most is the faith in justice and the cause why he fights.
But this concept must be applied also to Saints' enemies like Mariners or Specters. It's wrong to say that Mariners are not equal to Gold Saints because they are defeated by Gold Saints' power because they are not defeated because weaker but because they fight for an evil cause... It's like a fight between two Gold Saints, one of them prevail because his motivations are better and the same here. Mariners or strong Specters (the 3 Leaders along with the best Specters among the other 105) are not inferior to Gold Saints, they are defeated only because of the cause why they fight.
So it means that definitions like: "Mariner Generals are equal to Gold Saints" can be added. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Goldsaint13 (talk • contribs) 17:00, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
- It is not how good the cause is that matters, but how much the fighter believes in that cause. --Andrelvis 20:49, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
- I guess it could be partially right, but there are Generals like Scylla Io that belive in their cause so much that they are able to sacrifice themselves for it (Io and Shun are not too different, they said) but they lose anyway... So the "good" cause have an influence on it. And anyway you could not say that Marina Generals or powerful Specters are weaker than Gold Saints. They are of the same power grade, but differences in power are due to the different expansions of the Cosmo battle by battle. And you said that Deathmask and Aphrodite lost because their cause was evil, but they also belived in that cause a lot, so why they have been defeated? Because in a battle between 2 Saints (or Marina, or Specters, it's the same) the strongest and the winner are decided with the expansion of the Cosmo. So Gold Saints, Marina Generals and strong Specters are warriors of the same class (Seven Senses or Eight Senses level of Cosmo knowledge) and a battle between anyone of them is determined by the faith in the cause but most of all in the expansion of Cosmo.
—Preceding unsigned comment added by Goldsaint13 (talk • contribs) 01:24, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
English dubbing
Illich Guardiola as Seiya (ADV uncut dub)
Allison Sumrall as Saori (ADV uncut dub)
Christine Auten as Marin (ADV uncut dub)
Kim Prause as Shunrei (ADV Dub)
Monica Rial as Makoto (ADV Dub)
Paul Sidello as Mentor (ADV Dub)
Rick Burford as Lionett (ADV uncut dub)
Ron Howald as Tatsumi (ADV Dub)
Sasha Paysinger as Miho (ADV Dub)
Andy McAvin as Narrator (ADV uncut dub)
Bill Houston as Lionet (DiC dub)
Cameron Bautsch as Young Seiya (ADV uncut dub)
Chris Nelson as Doctor (ADV Dub)
Chris Patton as Shun (ADV uncut dub)
Daniel Magill as Milo (ADV Dub)
Eden J. Barrera as Soldier B
George Manley as Dante (ep 31)
Greg Ayres as Daichi Tatsuya
James Arnold Taylor as Biker
Jason Douglas as Hyouga (ADV uncut dub)
Jay Hickman as Shiryu (ADV uncut dub)
Joe Grisaffi as Soldier Calvin (ADV dub)
John Swasey as Hydra (ADV Dub)
Julie Lemieux as Kiki (DiC dub)
Kim Kuhteubl as Esmerelda (DiC dub)
Kimberly Prause as Shunrei
Kira as Shina (ADV uncut dub)
Matt Culpepper as Cassios (ADV uncut dub)
Mike MacRae as Ikki (ADV uncut dub) Pope (ADV uncut dub)
Rob Mungle as Geki (ADV dub)
Ryan Worthington as Shaka (ADV Dub)
Tiffany Grant as Akira (ADV Uncut Dub)
Tony Oller as Jacob (ADV Dub)
Vic Mignogna as Jabu (ADV uncut dub)
Andrew Pifko (DiC dub)
Andrew Sabaston (DiC dub)
Annick Obansawin (DiC dub)
Ayumi Izuka (DiC dub)
Bill Colgate (DiC dub)
Dan Warry Smith (DiC dub)
Drew Coombs (DiC dub)
George Buza (DiC dub)
Gilda Santiago (ADV Dub)
Jayson Palmer (ADV Dub)
Jeff Berg (DiC dub)
Joey Goubeaud (ADV Dub)
Katie Griffin (DiC dub)
Marc McMulkin (DiC dub)
Mariela Ortiz
Marta Bechtol (ADV uncut dub)
Martin Roach (DiC dub)
Maurice Dean Wint (DiC dub)
Neil Crone (DiC dub)
Patrick Givens (ADV dub)
Rob Smith (DiC dub)
Robert Tinkler (DiC dub)
Scott McCord (DiC dub)
Shane Bland (DiC dub)
Shelly Thomas (ADV Dub)
Stacey Depass (DiC dub)
Stewart Stone (DiC dub)
Tim Hamaguchi (DiC dub)
Tracey Hoyt (DiC dub) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.164.7.25 (talk) 23:48, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
Articles to keep and whatnot
Well, i know some peps wants to cut down on the articles. So here's the place to choose which ones now. And for those that will be merged i implore you to write a personality and a small story bio in this article before deleting the main one.
- Pegasus Seiya
- Dragon Shiryu
- Cygnus Hyoga
- Andromeda Shun
- Phoenix Ikki
- Eagle Marin
- Ophiucus Shaina
- Cepheus Daidalos
- Lyra Orpheé
- Crateris Suikyo
- Perseus Algol (maybe, since he was responsible for blinding Shiryu)
- Lizard Misty (maybe, he helped Seiya reach new levels in fighting)
- Sagitta Ptolemy (maybe, he was the cataclyst for the 12 temples after all)
- Aries Mu
- Aries Sion
- Taurus Aldebaran
- Gemini Saga
- Gemini Kanon
- Cancer Deathmask
- Leo Aiolia
- Virgo Shaka
- Libra Dohko
- Scorpion Milo
- Sagittarius Aiolos
- Capricorn Shura
- Aquarius Camus
- Pisces Aphrodite
- Seahorse Baian
- Scylla Io
- Chrysaor Krishna
- Lyumnades Kaza
- Kraken Isaac
- Siren Sorrento
- Mermaid Thetis
- Balron Lune
- Harpy Valentine
- Sphinx Pharaoh
- Wyvern Rhadamanthys
- Garuda Aiacos
- Gryphon Minos
- Cyclops Gigant (maybe, since he lead the attack on Sanctuary)
- Athena/ Saori Kido
- Poseidon/ Julian Solo
- Hades
- Apollo
- Artemis
- Zeus
- Hypnos
- Thanatos
The others should be merged into this article. But in my own opinion i think it's good as it is now ^^
Though the Movie Characters should be moved to their respective movie page. The gods are exceptions. --Refuteku (talk) 22:40, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
What happened to the Asgard God Warriors?
Specifically, what happened to all the individual character pages with all the information that I and many others put countless of hours into? I come back to Wiki to check on them and they're all gone, it seems. I'd hate to find out that somebody decided to throw all our hard work down the drain, and if that's the case -- who did it, and what was the exact reason? While I acknowledge that the Saint Seiya wiki isn't a "fan page", it is still supposed to be a source with detailed information on the series -- and these characters, filler or not, played a big part in the anime version of the show. The current bit of info on this page is extremely minuscule compared to what used to be. So: what the heck happened here? Tragic Taco 07:44, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
Oh someone removed a long time ago, and no one has liked them so much to bother making articles about them. Though if you're gonna make them Taco, then do it better then the last guy who had a very low understanding of english. Well i know you have it ^^ --Refuteku (talk) 12:31, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
Wait, lets avoid making more articles. Almost all Saint Seiya articles can be deleted by any editor. Only Pegasus Seiya passes Wikipedia:Notability (fiction) due to the reception part. So please, avoid making more articles. Most Saint Seiya character articles need to be merged.Tintor2 (talk) 15:49, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
You know, it's very disheartening to find out all of that hard work had been throw away just because there's now a sudden urge to "merge" dozens of articles together to avoid "clutter" (which, if done incorrectly, would just end up defeat the entire purpose of this action). I personally don't see how this benefits Wikipedia at all, because disposing that wealth of information goes against the very nature of the site. Or is Wikipedia supposed to be compact and less knowledgeable now? Tragic Taco 22:30, 01 April 2008 (UTC)
Yes, I know how feel. The same happened with all the Pokemon articles (386), they had to be merged. If you pay a look in most anime aticles you will see only the main characters have their own articles.Tintor2 (talk) 13:17, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
Wolf Nachi
- The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.
The concensus was merge --Kraftlos (talk) 05:59, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
The Wolf Nachi article doesn't cite any sources (primary or third-party) and the important info on the page could easily be summarized in a couple paragraphs. I propose merging it into this list per WP:N. --[[]]Kraftlos (talk) 06:00, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
- Agree. It is a very minor character, he only appears to have a nightmare with Ikki, defeat some soldiers, and other stuff.Tintor2 (talk) 13:55, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
- Disagree. I think the 10 bronze saints should have an article of their own (even they're the 5 others) because Masami Kurumada has given short profile about them. Please don't delete or merge them. --Ario ManUtd (talk) 09:28, 27 October 2008 (UTC) 16:27, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
- The character description, whether it was written by Kurumada (the article gives no indication of this) or written by editors here, is not notable and only provides description from an in-universe perspective and provides no real-world context (thus no notability). If an article cannot demonstrate the notability of a given topic, it must be merged or deleted per WP:N; Wikipedia is not a fansite. --Kraftlos (talk) 06:53, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
Silver Saints
Most of the silver saints just say " Main Article:(saint)" but they all redirect here so there's really no info on them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by David13579 (talk • contribs) 00:07, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
- Individual character pages were most likely merged and redirected because the characters didn't have any independent real-world coverage in reliable sources to satisfy Wikipedia's notability guidelines. --Kraftlos (Talk | Contrib) 08:27, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
Who were Reda and Spica? In the anime they were silver saints from the Andromeda Island, but there are only 24. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.137.75.54 (talk) 07:37, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
- Wikipedia is not a forum, this talkpage is for discussing the development of the article, not to discuss the anime. Did you have a specific problem with the article? --Kraftlos (Talk | Contrib) 08:27, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
- If you're not gonna help, don't write any word, so, thanks for NOTHING.
- Either way for further record, Leda and Spica were not confirmed to be any sort of Saints at all. Plus they were developed by the Toei staff and didn't serve nor get any relative purpose. --193.11.13.44 (talk) 10:52, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
- It was a mistake in the Latinamerican dub, in where when Reda and Spica appear, Shun says: Reda and Spica, Silver Saints, what are you doing here? But I figured out that they have no constellation, so their clothes are unclassifiable.
Merges
I merged the remaining Silver Saints that is deemed minor, i'm not sure if i should merge Lizard Misty just yet. Ophiucus, Crateris Suikyo, Eagle Marin, and Lyra Orphee should be up still because of their more importance. If one wants to make the list minor, Misty and Orphee would have to go of them.
I'm gonna merge the majority of the Specters later on as well. --Refuteku (talk) 14:02, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
Merge Next Dimension character list?
Wouldn't it be better if the Next Dimension Character page were merged with the Saint Seiya characters page, since they are in the same canon universe? --Refuteku (talk) 18:07, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
Raskmoon's name
Seeing as there might be some debate about the Satellite's name, i thought i might put up a discussion here.
Various fans believe her name is La scoumoune from a french movie about a criminal helping his friend in various criminal situations. Yet a lot, practically any character that ain't the main characters in saint Seiya are named after mythic personas as well as famous people. Exceptions would be Misty and Raimi, who no one knows who they are named after.
Yet the japanese kana is slightly different, the character's is ラスクム-ン while the movie's is ラ・スクムーン, as the Ra is seperated in the movies case.
That's why i find the name Lascoumoune very unlikely to be her name --Refuteku (talk) 13:31, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
Some rearranging needed
Hi. I noticed the article is a bit messed up and the characters are mixed up. I mean, some anime-only are in between canonical ones and the like. Deities are separated and not in their own category.
I think we can make a bit of rearranging as the article doesnt need to be drastically modified, only reordered. If you guys agree, I am willing to do it, as maybe it can take some time to rearrange, but I am sure the results will be worth it.Onikiri (talk) 16:55, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
- Again with separating canonical from non-canonical characters? The fact that Saori is with the five bronze saints is that those are the main protagonists from the manga and that this article has to arranged in an out-of-universe perspective to make common readers understand it.Tintor2 (talk) 17:11, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
- I suggest we put the Asgardians, the Steel Saints and the anime only characters in a category of their own. They arent many and some are mixed up with characters from the manga. Thats the only rearranging I think we should make. Deities could have their category, excluding Athena, as we have Poseidon, Hades (who is mixed up with his heralds in the article), Artemis, Apollon, Chronos, Hypnos & Thanatos. Also, I will correct some text as there is some childish redaction in it with words as "kinda like" and such. Some facts need correction too.Onikiri (talk) 17:34, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
Some rearranging needed
Hi. I noticed the article is a bit messed up and the characters are mixed up. I mean, some anime-only are in between canonical ones and the like. Deities are separated and not in their own category.
I think we can make a bit of rearranging as the article doesnt need to be drastically modified, only reordered. If you guys agree, I am willing to do it, as maybe it can take some time to rearrange, but I am sure the results will be worth it.Onikiri (talk) 16:55, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
- Again with separating canonical from non-canonical characters? The fact that Saori is with the five bronze saints is that those are the main protagonists from the manga and that this article has to arranged in an out-of-universe perspective to make common readers understand it.Tintor2 (talk) 17:11, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
- I suggest we put the Asgardians, the Steel Saints and the anime only characters in a category of their own. They arent many and some are mixed up with characters from the manga. Thats the only rearranging I think we should make. Deities could have their category, excluding Athena, as we have Poseidon, Hades (who is mixed up with his heralds in the article), Artemis, Apollon, Chronos, Hypnos & Thanatos. Also, I will correct some text as there is some childish redaction in it with words as "kinda like" and such. Some facts need correction too.Onikiri (talk) 17:34, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
Specter stars consistency.
- I was thinking we should update the Specter Stars to have consistency with the other character articles, such as Lost Canvas character list. Kurumada based the Specter star names in the ones found in the Water Margin novel, and in its english translation, Earthly and Heavenly is used instead of Celestial and Terrestrial. For the LC article, we decided to use the names accordingly to as how theyre used in the novel, as the kanji meanings are the same, with slight variations. Thats what I propose, use Heavenly and Earthly, as they are simply synonims of the kanji translations, within a more accurate context, to have consistency across all articles regarding the Saint Seiya characters. Let me know what you think. Onikiri (talk) 16:59, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
Article length
Moving the anime-only characters to a separate article helped, but this list is still too extensive. Speaking from my personal experience, it is difficult to navigate even for someone who is familiar with the series and I find that many things are missing. If we go about adding the much-needed explanations (just as an example, it is sort of unclear what the Heavenly Realm actually is), I don't think it is far-fetched to think that the article could reach 150kb. As such, I'd like to submit a couple of proposals for further splits:
- I don't know if there are plans to merge the Poseidon article here (I think there once were but not anymore?), but it seems silly that he has his own article while Hades, who plays a bigger role, does not. I propose we "unmerge" the content about Hades and move the big list of his followers there as well, leaving a summary here with separate sections only for the most important characters. Basically: turn the Hades article into more of a "the Underworld Realm" article.
- Next Dimension characters: they are canon and the story is set in the same continuity as Saint Seiya, but the list is too extensive and I feel it becomes confusing to have characters from two separate mangas mixed like this. They are spread throughout the article in such a way that anyone who comes here looking specifically for information on ND characters has to waste time looking for them: Alone is Hades, yet he appears under "support characters"; the Satellites and some of the "other deities" are a part of the Heavenly Realm, yet they are not listed as such; etc. I really feel the list would benefit from such a split, not to mention that having them bunched together this way feels suspiciously like WP:IN-U.
Thoughts? Cyn starchaser (talk) 13:48, 8 July 2011 (UTC)