Talk:List of Omega Psi Phi Grand Conclaves

Reliable sources[edit]

I see a lot of sources, but they are tangential. For example, the one on branding has a sidebar with a lot of little items, one which basically says, "there's going to be a conclave." Abductive (reasoning) 22:17, 21 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure I understand how some of these are tangential. All of these links are either for the hotel, location, date (some only for the year, which given that they were somewhat unpredictable prior to 1986 is still useful), or speaker. It is true that some of these have been overtaken by more complete sources (one that indicated that 1987 was in Fairbanks might be overtaken by one that said that it was in Fairbanks on July 4-11,1987). That doesn't mean that they aren't still appropriate. (especially if the one that was 1987 in Juneau is third party source)Naraht (talk) 02:44, 22 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Also, while I haven't counted exactly, I believe that at least a third of the references are from third party sources such as Jet, Ebony, or "The Crisis" magazine or books. I do need to put descriptions on the five references that show up as numbers in the reference section.Naraht (talk) 02:44, 22 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Given that the Branding article is the only reference that I have been able to find gives the fact that the 1996 convention was in a specific time of the year, I feel that it is appropriate to include it. If you can find one that states that the 1996 convention was in July or August, that is also a 3rd party reference, the branding one should be removed. Note that I have seen nothing to indicate that the conventions after the 1986 conventions were any time other than July/August, I have seen nothing to confirm it either.Naraht (talk) 02:44, 22 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- You seem to be putting in sources to meet WP:Verifiability, to back up facts which aren't being challenged. What about a source or two that says these conclaves were important? Abductive (reasoning) 03:22, 22 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  - Yes, the facts haven't been challenged, they should still be referenced. I agree that the Lead section needs to be expanded and that it should include references. Note, I feel that it is unlikely that those would be 3rd party.Naraht (talk) 13:17, 22 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    - If not one of the conclaves ever had a 3rd party comment on them for notability, doesn't that worry you? Abductive (reasoning) 15:52, 22 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      - If the article was designed to stand alone, then perhaps. But, at minimum, the 75th anniversary has such a link. I will add the main article template. Also, I deleted the reliable sources template. It doesn't seem to make sense to have that on an article with more 15 references *not* done by Omega Psi PhiNaraht (talk) 18:54, 22 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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