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List of albums with 4 #1 singles

I remember someone tried to add this, but didn't have a reference. Billboard itself has now provided that reference in ChartBeat http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/chart-beat/6583024/ask-billboard-is-taylor-swifts-1989-the-next-teenage-dream so it can be added to the album section.

Thanks, --dnsla23 17:54, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

Just added the info back to the appropriate section, along with the reference. Made some edits to the original text. Plus, added the Saturday Night Fever soundtrack, as it was mentioned in the Ask Billboard article, but wasn't included here initially. Good find! Thanks, dnsla. MPFitz1968 (talk) 18:30, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 July 2015

Note: If Michael Jackson's solo work and work with his brothers were combined, he would rank 2nd on the list with 40 top ten hits.

181.23.29.234 (talk) 18:35, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Cannolis (talk) 13:35, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

Expansion of list?

Should we expand this list? Because many older artists' chart milestones and achievements are left out. This really only covers rock n'roll. Think about it-- Glenn Miller, Bing Crosby and the Andrews Sisters all have items that would be suitable on this list. If so, we should just change the name to List of Billboard chart achievements and milestones. I don't see why not. Everything would be from Billboard's charts - from the year 1900 and on. Source data from [1]. Anything Pre-Hot 100 you could just put the indicator there. You already have chart statistics from 3 years before. Any opinions?

Thanks, (Utzdman55 (talk) 02:06, 7 August 2015 (UTC))

What you're suggesting goes beyond the scope of what is intended for this article - this is for achievements on one chart of Billboard (of many charts they publish today), particularly the Hot 100, which is mainly a pop singles chart at its core (though the term "singles" may be outdated, but the focus is songs as opposed to albums or collections). And yes, we do have some statistics from before the Hot 100 started, mainly for Elvis Presley, whose numbers from various pre-Hot 100 pop singles charts are included because it more reflects his career, and without those, it skews his contributions to pop music. And some artists have surpassed Presley in terms of number of number-ones or Hot 100/pop singles, though his effect on music throughout his career and lifetime is beyond measure, but that's another topic altogether. Changing the name of this article to List of Billboard chart achievements and milestones? That's quite vague; you might as well throw in albums, and numerous genres (R&B, country, adult contemporary, video sales, video rentals, classical, the Social 50, etc.) into the mix, remove all the existing articles about the various Billboard charts, and put everything into one large article.

Now, there is indeed a whole array of music prior to the rock and roll era that should have its place in Wikipedia, but placing it in an article about a chart that has had its whole since the early days of rock and roll isn't how to go about it, and at the moment I don't have a clue how to bring this pre-rock and roll music to light here. That was what was pop music before 1955, and I don't disagree about its impact on the music which followed. Aren't there any general articles about that era (and not just restricted to how Billboard measured the popularity of music from that time)?

Oh, to note, Billboard didn't start publishing music charts until 1940, so I don't know if there's any solid way of finding the popularity of songs that were out before that time. MPFitz1968 (talk) 23:03, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

The list is already huge.  — Calvin999 23:19, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
The Billboard magazine has published various music charts starting with sheet music in 1894, (and I have the data dating ALL the way back to there) the first "Music Hit Parade" was published in 1936, the first "Music Popularity Chart" was calculated in 1940. Billboard's data is on file and is used on tsort.info. Whatever the way, song popularity was calculated and the data is available. Instead of the vague title I suggested, how about a re-suggest of List of Billboard singles' chart achievements and milestones that way it limits it to singles and say in the introduction that the main nationwide chart is the most accurate way to measure success so it doesn't include genre-specfic charts. The one chart can be whatever Billboard's main chart was at the time. If not including it on this article, I can draft another one called Pre-Hot 100 chart achievements, but that would mislead viewers to believe that every record is held by an older artist which isn't always the case - just as this one doesn't include older artists. You can bring it to light by typing a couple words in the introduction and including the chart data, which some of I currently have in drafting. I know this article was intended to inform and I think everything should be equal and together for (what was best on the main nationwide non-genre specific chart for Billboard magazine) in one article of achievements that catalogues nearly all of American popular music. (Utzdman55 (talk) 22:20, 1 September 2015 (UTC))
I strongly oppose an effort such as that stated above, as it would obviously violate Wikipedia's policy on original research, specifically WP:SYNTH. More specifically, while yes, the raw data (chart positions etc.) is out there, the sources that synthesize and condense this data to a list of records that some of you all want to put on Wikipedia does not, to my knowledge. Please keep such efforts to your chartwatcher forums or whatever. Mmrsofgreen (talk) 18:37, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

"Most top ten singles from one album" section

Mmrsofgreen removed this section on August 17, 2015 [2], citing that the information was original research, and PJtp restored the section on October 4 [3], indicating that it is not original research. I have decided that, instead of re-removing the section, to slap a "citation needed" tag on this material, while I do agree with Mmrsofgreen's edit from several weeks ago that it is difficult to find any sourcing for it.

I will point out that original research refers to material added "for which no reliable, published sources exist", and in the footnote right after that statement, it says this: By "exists", the community means that the reliable source must have been published and still exist—somewhere in the world, in any language, whether or not it is reachable online—even if no source is currently named in the article. Articles that currently name zero references of any type may be fully compliant with this policy—so long as there is a reasonable expectation that every bit of material is supported by a published, reliable source. I have been able to find Billboard magazine issues on Google which back some of the material provided, such as Lionel Richie's Can't Slow Down registering its fifth top 10, "Penny Lover", on November 17, 1984 (read the "Chart Beat" section, which documents that occurrence, as well as Michael Jackson's seven top 10s with Thriller), and Bruce Springsteen's Born in the USA registering its seventh, "My Hometown", on January 25, 1986 (link to that magazine here, read "Chart Beat" on page 6). Even the most recent addition to the club, Taylor Swift's 1989, has documentation about its fifth top 10 on the Hot 100 here, which happens to also document Katy Perry's six top 10s from Teenage Dream. It would be nice if all this information was in one summarized article online, to fulfill another of Wikipedia's core content policies of verifiability, but as I cited from the original research policy, it does not have to exist online, and if there is reasonable expectation that the material was published somewhere in a reliable source, like Billboard magazine, online or not, that material is not violating the WP:OR policy. In fact, in trying to verify the individual entries in the list, I could not find a large number of relevant Billboard issues on Google to back those entries, but I have reason to believe that Billboard documented when these albums (e.g. Janet Jackson's Control, George Michael's Faith and Paula Abdul's Forever Your Girl) reached such milestones. These were also documented on the radio program American Top 40 in the era when Billboard's Hot 100 was the source for their countdown, when both Casey Kasem and Shadoe Stevens were hosting. Having listened to that show when I was younger, and even today with the 1970s and 1980s Kasem rebroadcasts, I have noted when such chart accomplishments have happened. The point is the material is attributable, as identified in the no original research policy. As for accuracy, this is why we need the citations, but I ask the section remain. We may need help from other Wikipedians regarding the accuracy, especially for anything that needs verification from published sources (including Billboard magazine) that exist but are not online. Thanks. MPFitz1968 (talk) 19:32, 4 October 2015 (UTC)

The "Chart Beat" section in the March 5, 2005 edition of Billboard backs Usher's fifth top 10, "Caught Up", from his album Confessions, Janet Jackson's six top 10s from janet., George Michael's six from Faith, and Michael Jackson's six from Bad. So these are coming in bits and pieces. There is a bit of a footnote concerning Usher's milestone there, as the article indicates that it is from the special edition of Confessions, which I'm reading from the Wikipedia article about the album includes the song "My Boo" (his duet with Alicia Keys), but the original edition does not. MPFitz1968 (talk) 20:06, 4 October 2015 (UTC)
Thankfully, now that Billboard has taken it upon themselves to list all album releases that have achieved this feat, we no longer have to quibble about whether the list was previously original research or attempt to scramble around for sources to cobble together in piecemeal. However, the list is now extremely long, to the point where it might be an improvement to limit it to only those with six or more top ten singles. Anyone else have thoughts on this? Mmrsofgreen (talk) 18:37, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
I agree that list is pretty long when including the ones with five, though there are only seven albums with six or more top 10s. Usually there is some allowance for more than ten to a list if there's a tie for 10th, but the number of albums with five top 10s is just way too much. Quite interesting that there were 14 albums achieving at least five top 10s during 1983 to 1989, and less than a dozen more in the quarter century since. MPFitz1968 (talk) 20:53, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

Listing qualifying albums based on their original release

The source in the section from Billboard, [4], lists albums which generated at least five top ten Hot 100 singles. Two albums listed—Usher's Confessions and Taylor Swift's Fearless—tallied five apiece, but in the source it mentions that one song on each of those albums came thanks to a re-issue of the album that included more songs than the original release ("My Boo", Usher's duet with Alicia Keys, in the case of the former, and "Jump Then Fall" in the case of the latter). The current thinking is not to count any singles that were added to subsequent releases of an album, as Katy Perry's Teenage Dream sort of set the precedent after new material was added to the re-issue (with the different title Teenage Dream: The Complete Confection). Billboard does not consider any later material not on Katy's original Dream toward tallies pertaining to the album, which is the reason Dream is not ahead of Michael Jackson's Bad for most #1s from an album. Because that Billboard source credits Confessions and Fearless with five top ten Hot 100 entries, and Dream with six (rather than eight if the new material on Confection were to count, though the two additional songs are mentioned), it presents some confusion for editors who look at the source and decide that the two albums in question should be listed in the section. We need to be clear on the consensus regarding this, and my position at the moment is to not include those albums (i.e., Confessions and Fearless are credited with only four top ten Hot 100 songs, per their original releases). The problem is Billboard lists them as having five top tens despite the fact that at least one of the songs were not featured on the original releases. MPFitz1968 (talk) 02:40, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 December 2015

New billboard (1958-2015) charts. LInk here (http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/updated-billboard-top-100-singles-1958-2015.480372/) Okw2101 (talk) 13:13, 18 December 2015 (UTC)

 Not done Not clear what you are asking to be done here (was not in a form such as "please change X to Y"). Also note, if you are asking us to use above link as a reference for the all-time charts, it is to a forum and is generally an unreliable source per WP:USERG. MPFitz1968 (talk) 14:48, 18 December 2015 (UTC)

Self-replacement at number one

I am confused about the Beatles entry. The footnote says "The Beatles are the only act in history to have three consecutive, self-replacing #1s" but the chart lists only 2 self-replacements (that's 3 songs). For 3 consecutive self-replacements there should be 4 songs. There would appear to be a mistake somewhere. Zaslav (talk) 04:40, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 January 2016

Justin Bieber's "Sorry" should be added to the section of singles with most weeks at No. 2 without hitting No. 1. As of this week, it has been at No. 2 for 8 non-consecutive weeks 200.86.125.125 (talk) 00:38, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

 Done MPFitz1968 (talk) 02:01, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 5 March 2016

Please add Mariah Carey to list of "Producers with the most number-one singles" with 14 songs that she has producing credits of her own for her #1s from 1990-2008. Her Biggest #1 hit being One Sweet Day which topped the chart for 16 weeks, being the longest running number one hit to top the hot 100. The date for the song being December 2, 1995, where it debuted at #1, making it her 2nd #1 debut and the most (at the time) for any artist.

P.S: She was the first female artist to debut at #1, the 2nd artist to do it overall (after Michael Jackson), and still holds the record for the most by any artist, with 3 #1 debuts. Framework43 (talk) 04:27, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 04:15, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 March 2016

Please remove Usher's "Confessions" from "most no.1 singles in one album" because his single "My Boo" seems to be excluded from the album, and "Confessions" is not included in "most top ten singles in one album" too. Alice3721 (talk) 13:51, 7 March 2016 (UTC)

Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template.  B E C K Y S A Y L E S  06:01, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

Rihanna

Rihanna now has 59 weeks, tied with the Beatles for total weeks at number 1. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.165.51.134 (talk) 18:50, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

Updated. MPFitz1968 (talk) 18:58, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

Looks like Kanye West has moved into the top 10 of "Most Hot 100 entries", bumping The Beatles out!

With eight debuts on the Hot 100 chart dated April 23, 2016, and a source in the section "Most Hot 100 entries" [5] stating that thru July 18, 2015, he had 67 previous charted songs, West would now be in the top 10 of that section and equaling Ray Charles count of 75. This would also knock The Beatles out of this top 10. As this has not yet been confirmed by a reliable source (Billboard in particular), the addition of his name to the section must be put on hold until then. MPFitz1968 (talk) 17:00, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

A source has confirmed West's tally, and is used in the article. [6] MPFitz1968 (talk) 00:28, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

Michael record

"Michael Jackson became the first artist in history to have a top 10 single on the US Billboard Hot 100 in five different decades when "Love Never Felt So Good" reached number nine on May 21, 2014"[1]

  1. ^ Trust, Gary (May 21, 2014). "Michael Jackson, Coldplay Hit Hot 100's Top 10; John Legend Still No. 1". Billboard.com. Retrieved May 21, 2014.

Does it fit in the article? Cornerstonepicker (talk) 04:01, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

It looks like a notable achievement, adding to the list of Hot 100 accomplishments for the King of Pop (R.I.P.), but the only section that it's appropriate to note it is "Selected additional Hot 100 achievements". MPFitz1968 (talk) 17:38, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

Album achievements section

Under "Other album achievements", the following statement has become completely outdated: "Taylor Swift's Speak Now is the only album to have all its songs chart on the Hot 100, also giving Swift the record for most entries off one album, with 14." The first part of that statement is now false with all 12 songs from Beyoncé's album Lemonade making the Hot 100 (May 14, 2016 issue), [7] so Swift's Speak Now is no longer the only album to accomplish the feat of having all its songs make the chart. I'm not sure if Justin Bieber's Purpose had all its songs make the Hot 100 ... at least 17 of them did. Which brings me to the second part of the aforementioned statement, which is also false and has been since the 17 songs from Bieber were all on the Hot 100 simultaneously on December 5, 2015, [8] clearly more than the 14 from Swift's album. As a result, the statement is being removed from the subsection.

Another statement there, "Beyoncé's Lemonade is the first and only album by a female to chart 12 or more songs on the Billboard Hot 100 at the same time", ties into one statement in "Selected additional Hot 100 achievements" as she breaks Swift's record of 11 simultaneous entries by a female artist, so will update that statement.

As Swift's achievement records have completely been outdone by both Beyoncé and Bieber, it does prompt me to ask whether there should be another subsection to "Album achievements" ... for "Most Hot 100 entries from one album". It may be notable as several albums have been able to put up 12 or more, but there obviously will need to be sources to confirm the tallies. It is clear Swift had 14 from Speak Now, and Bieber had 17 from Purpose. Plus, Drake had 14 (at least) each from two different albums If You're Reading This It's Too Late and What a Time to Be Alive. Beyoncé's Lemonade has 12. As far as any other album having at least 12, this is why we'll need to see if Billboard compiles something like that before inclusion of this part. MPFitz1968 (talk) 08:59, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

Most cumulative weeks at #1?

How many weeks at #1 does an act need to have to be listed in that section? Because the lowest I see is 33, and I would think that 30 or more would qualify. Although it doesn't specify, I would think Bruno Mars would be included there, because he has 31 in total (2 for Nothin' On You, 4 for Just The Way You Are, 4 for Grenade, 6 for Locked Out of Heaven, 1 for When I Was Your Man, and 14 for Uptown Funk). What's the minimum number for inclusion there? Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.103.148.111 (talk) 03:34, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

The minimum is whatever 10th place is. As the article is already pretty large, most lists on the page are limited to the top 10 (more can be listed if 10th place is a tie). Bruno Mars' 31 weeks total is still short of the 10th place mark, which is currently 33 (held by Janet Jackson and Katy Perry). MPFitz1968 (talk) 05:03, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

Janet Jackson top 10 & top 5 hits

There's an inconsistency with what counts toward Janet's totals in the most top 5 and top 10 hits sections. In the section regarding top 5 hits, it lists Janet as having 24, which is only possible if "Diamonds" and "We are the World 25" (which peaked at #5 and #2, respectively) are included. Contrastingly, in the top 10 section she is listed as having only 27 top 10 hits, which is two less than if the two previous songs are included. I know I have read in the past that Billboard does not recognize "Diamonds" since she is only a featured artist, which makes no sense since they include all of Rihanna's features in her totals, and have also included "What's It Gonna Be?!" in Janet's total. So for the purposes of this page wouldn't it make sense for Janet to have either 28 or 29 top ten hits, rather than the 27 she is credited with, since all of the other artists' features are included. Thoughts? Ithacanewyork (talk) 00:47, 29 July 2016 (UTC)

Rihanna's "Work" as a non-English #1?

Shouldn't "Work" by Rihanna be listed there? Drake's part is English, but the rest is Patois. Nikki Lee 1999 (talk) 09:22, 10 September 2016 (UTC)

Jamaican Patois, known locally as Patois (Patwa or Patwah) and called Jamaican Creole by linguists, is an English-based creole language with West African influences (a majority of loan words of Akan origin) spoken primarily in Jamaica and the Jamaican diaspora. ... so, yes, "Work" is an English-language song. — Tom(T2ME) 09:39, 10 September 2016 (UTC)

[1]== Most total weeks in the top ten without making the top five ==

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Weeks in top 10 Title Artist Peak Position Peak Date
16 "Needed Me" Rihanna #7 July 2, 2016
15 "Behind These Hazel Eyes" Kelly Clarkson #6 June 11, 2005
14 "Don't Wanna Know" Maroon 5 feat. Kendrick Lamar #6 February 18, 2017
14 "Team" Lorde #6 March 15, 2014
13 "Home" Phillip Phillips #6 Jan. 19, 2013
13 "I'm Yours" Jason Mraz #6 Sept. 20, 2008
13 "The Way You Love Me" Faith Hill #6 Jan. 13, 2001
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Rexha, No. 7, March 12, 2016 12, "Demons," Imagine Dragons, No. 6, Dec. 7, 2013 12, "As Long as You Love Me," Justin Bieber feat. Big Sean, No. 6, Sept. 29, 2012 12, "Tubthumping," Chumbawamba, No. 6, Nov. 29, 1997 12, "I Wanna Be Down," Brandy, No. 6, Dec. 31, 1994 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Andrelikemovies (talk • contribs) 09:08, 20 September 2016 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ Trust, Gary. "Ask Billboard: Rihanna's (Quirky) Record in the Hot 100's Top 10 With 'Needed Me'". Billboard. Retrieved September 20, 2016.

Most weeks in the top 10 without reaching the top 5? - Come on, enough cruft!

Concerning this edit, adding the above category to the article: [9]

This article is very large already (more than 125k in bytes) to accommodate random, non-notable categories. There have been repeated attempts to trim this article and remove categories which may be notable in Billboard's eyes but are simply not in the eyes of the general public or the music industry in terms of the success of a song or artist. This is another such request to keep the article from getting overly bloated of statistics that have little or no relevant meaning outside of Billboard enthusiasts.

Adding such categories as what I state in the section heading of this discussion need further talk before we can add them, keeping in mind we are providing information, hopefully concise and understandable, to the general public. Billboard does provide a lot of statistics for their Hot 100 chart (and their other charts as well), and for their readers, it may be interesting but in Wikipedia we must take all readers into account, including those who want just a simple understanding of what songs or artists have achieved popularity on this chart. Most of these potential categories (as aformentioned in the heading) may and should be rejected on the grounds that they lack notability for a general audience. A lot of categories in the article right now (songs with the most weeks at number-one, artists with the most top 10 singles) are acceptable, but note I didn't say all of them. There needs to be serious discussion on what in the article should be kept and what should not, plus what potential categories will be acceptable in the future. Keep in mind Wikipedia's policy against indiscriminate collections of information (see WP:IINFO #3), and just because Billboard compiles a unique statistic ("Most weeks in the top 10 without making the top 5", "Most weeks in the top 10 after debuting in the top 10", etc.), and a source exists documenting it, doesn't mean it belongs in this article. MPFitz1968 (talk) 09:20, 20 September 2016 (UTC)

Most Top Ten Hits From One Album

Shouldn't Usher's Confessions be included? It had 5 top ten hits but I don't see it on there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Iiiiiiiiiiii6643 (talk • contribs) 01:04, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

Self replacing at number one

Justin Bieber hasn't just replaced himself with Sorry and Love Yourself, he replaced himself with Let Me Love You and Cold Water, and recently Despacito Remix and I'm The One — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.68.119.21 (talk) 23:29, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

 Not done Request not carried out. The only time Bieber replaced himself at #1 on the Hot 100 is what is in the article right now. "Love Yourself" knocked "Sorry" out of #1 on February 13, 2016. None of the other songs mentioned even hit #1 on this chart. MPFitz1968 (talk) 23:46, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

Most weeks spent at number 3 without hitting number 2 and number 1

There should be a section for this.

Real McCoy Another Night holds the record for 11 weeks at number 3 without hitting 2 or 1.

Foster The People Pumped Up Kicks is 8 weeks.

Any other ones? Thanks. Add this on there cause it does not let me edit. Walker9 (talk) 05:51, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

@Walker9: Given the size of the article, and all assorted categories (some of which I'm wondering what they are doing in the article in the first place), this is one of those that needs to be discussed among a number of editors at this article or across the record charts project concerning its notability—particularly how sources outside of Billboard see this in terms of the record chart spectrum. Most weeks at number one is clearly notable; most weeks at number two without getting to number one is slightly less notable, though that context has to do with songs that got so close but had to wait for so long. Most weeks at number three without getting any higher, to me, doesn't hold anywhere near the level of notability as those other two. Certainly as a fan of the Hot 100, I'd want to know, as well as most weeks at #4, #5, #6, etc., without reaching any higher. But Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and needs to balance what the fans want to know with what all readers want to know, and things like notability in the broader picture takes precedence. So for the time being, what you're requesting is:

 Not done MPFitz1968 (talk) 07:56, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

Most consecutive weeks on the Hot 100

With the chart of August 26, 2017, Drake finally dropped completely off the Hot 100 after an astonishing 431 consecutive weeks on with at least one song (either in a lead or featured role), dating back to his debut hit "Best I Ever Had", which entered the chart on May 23, 2009, before reaching a peak of #2. This source documents the feat and lists the ten runners-up for this achievement (thru the August 26, 2017 chart): Lil Wayne (326), Rihanna (216), Nicki Minaj (207), Chris Brown (161), Jay-Z (159), Nelly (152), Kenny Chesney (141), Destiny's Child (139), Katy Perry (139), and Taylor Swift (139). As for the notability of this feat, it's debatable whether to add a category "Most consecutive weeks on the Hot 100" to the "Artist achievements" section, or just list it as one of the "Selected additional Hot 100 achievements". For now, I'd go with the latter, but some will make the argument of having the top five or top ten listed (just like with "Most consecutive weeks in the top 10", which has tended to get more press from Billboard when someone has a shot of dethroning Perry from the top of that list).

BTW, following Drake's depature, the one with the most consecutive weeks on the Hot 100, thru August 26, 2017, is Justin Bieber with 128. (Not mentioned in the above source, but I tallied myself.) He definitely is within striking distance of Swift, Perry, Destiny's Child and Chesney, and likely could outrank them all and perhaps Nelly, Jay-Z and Brown down the road, with "Despacito" and "I'm the One" still riding high and rumors about follow-up songs from him coming soon (e.g., "Friends" [10]). The chances of the above list being updated/documented by Billboard should this happen, however, appear low—another reason the achievement's notability is relegated to the "Selected" section. Plus, Bieber would have to stay on the chart for another 303 weeks in a row (almost six years non-stop) to equal Drake's feat. MPFitz1968 (talk) 16:53, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

Will have to amend what I said about Bieber above. There were three weeks in April 2017 when he was not on the chart. "Let Me Love You", with him as a featured artist on the DJ Snake song, had fallen off the Hot 100 on April 15, leaving Bieber off the chart completely. It wasn't until May 6 when Bieber showed up again, being credited as a featured artist on the remix of "Despacito", which had made a 48–9 jump that week. So, the one with the most consecutive weeks on the Hot 100, is not Bieber. Turns out, it's Future, with 124. MPFitz1968 (talk) 17:40, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
Can we get some dates on the runs of each artist listed, if possible? People might try to edit every week, mistakenly thinking the streak is still in progress. Sbb618 (talk) 05:02, 20 August 2017 (UTC)
@Sbb618: Unfortunately, the source I brought up doesn't have the dates for any of the artists other than Drake's run. Another editor added the category into the article [11], while I just added it as a "Selected" achievement, listing Drake only [12]. I think having the list in the article as opposed to the snippet I added is gonna be a problem in the long term, as the also-rans part of the list is much more likely to change and I doubt Billboard will document any changes to the list when it happens. Drake's record will stay unchanged for six years, at least (noting Future's ongoing run I mentioned above, which I checked myself and isn't sourced thru Billboard), and he's ahead of second-place Lil Wayne by a full two years and third-place Rihanna by more than four years. MPFitz1968 (talk) 05:55, 20 August 2017 (UTC)

Most/Least #1 Hits in a Calendar Year

There ought to be some space set aside for the calendar years that had the most and least amount of number one hits. The years with the most were 1974 and 1975 with 35 number one singles, although 1974 would have 36 if Jim Croce's "Time in a Bottle" (which peaked during 1973's final week and 1974's first week) was counted. The years with the least are 2002 with 7 number one singles and 2005 with 8. However, 2002 would have 9 if Nickelback's "How You Remind Me" (which peaked during the last two weeks of 2001 and the first two weeks of 2002) and Usher's "U Got It Bad" (which peaked the week before Nickelback towards the end of 2001 and the five weeks after Nickelback in 2002) are counted. It seems that only the list of number one hits for these respective years call out the records. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.247.99.237 (talk) 00:53, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

janet Jackson under "Most #1 Hits" has biggest hit wrong

According to this Billboard article, Janet Jackson's biggest hit is "Miss You Much", not "That's The Way Love Goes"http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/chart-beat/7793224/janet-jacksons-biggest-billboard-hot-100-hits — Preceding unsigned comment added by Greyfur666 (talk • contribs) 00:56, 23 August 2017 (UTC)

Age records

"Tony Bennett, at 85 years, 59 days old, is the oldest living artist to chart. His song 'Body and Soul', a duet with Amy Winehouse, ranked at #87 on October 1, 2011."

What about Fred Stobaugh, who was 96 years 23 days old when "Lorraine" debuted and peaked at #42 on 14 September 2013 ?107.185.97.165 (talk) 19:56, 26 September 2017 (UTC)

@107.185.97.165: He was listed before, but taken out with this edit in January. The only reason that made sense at the time is that he died in November, but now that I'm thinking about it, the deletion should not have been done. Stobaugh was still living (for about another two monthsthree years) when the song debuted, and there have been a number of artists that had songs make the chart posthumously (after they passed away). I'll restore what was there before. MPFitz1968 (talk) 23:09, 26 September 2017 (UTC)

Also, Santana took 30 years minus 2 days, rather than 30 years, "for longest wait from an artist's Hot 100 debut entry to its first #1".107.185.97.165 (talk)

Bhad Bhabie is younger than Peggy March

The age record should be updated. Nikki Lee 1999 (talk) 03:01, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

@Nikki Lee 1999:  Not done The part of the article concerning Peggy March says this: Little Peggy March (age 15 years, 50 days) is the youngest female artist to top the Hot 100. The song which established this record for her was "I Will Follow Him", which reached #1 on April 27, 1963. While Bhad Bhabie is 14, according to that article, she has not yet reached #1 on the Hot 100. And she is far from being the youngest female ever to hit the Hot 100; JoJo, Tracie Spencer and Dodie Stevens are among those that come to my mind who were younger. (None of those three made it to #1 on the Hot 100, BTW.) MPFitz1968 (talk) 05:24, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
Good call. My bad. Nikki Lee 1999 (talk) 10:59, 2 October 2017 (UTC)

Akhiljaxxn's WP:OR

Akhiljaxxn has been frequently disrupting the article to maintain his POV. He is warned for his edit warring and described him the problem on his talk page. I hope other editors will look. Excelse (talk) 09:39, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

I want you to read these [1][2][3][4] latest articles from billboard and other reliable sources which clearly says Billboard has changed their rules in 2008, announcing that one of elvis number one hit single ,Hound Dog / Dont Be Cruel would no longer be counted as two separate number ones. which makes mariah carey  the solo artist with most number one hit on billboard chart. Akhiljaxxn (talk) 10:46, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/chart-beat/5862369/elvis-presleys-billboard-chart-records
  2. ^ http://www.billboard.com/music/elvis-presley
  3. ^ http://www.billboard.com/music/elvis-presley
  4. ^ http://www.billboard.com/articles/events/greatest-of-all-time/6760662/beatles-mariah-carey-most-billboard-hot-100-no-1-hits
@Akhiljaxxn: I don't see anything in the sources you cited here about Billboard changing the rules regarding how they count Presley's "Don't Be Cruel"/"Hound Dog", nor anything about his pre-Hot 100 chart records. You will need to present more reliable sources proving Billboard is counting the aforementioned songs on the double-sided single as one (as opposed to the two). As far as I recall, Billboard historian Joel Whitburn still counts DBC/HD as two, and according to his Top Pop Singles book (I have the 12th edition from 2009), which records all singles charting on the Hot 100 or its Bubbling Under, and various pop singles charts since 1955, Presley has 18, tied with Carey as the soloist with the most number ones. (If we focus on just the Hot 100, Carey is clearly ahead, 18 to 7.) Now, I'm aware Fred Bronson has some compilations of how singles performed on Billboard's pop charts, but not sure whether he's counting DBC/HD as one of Presley's number ones as opposed to two. If any of Bronson's compilations, or any other reliable sources independent of Billboard, show 17 number ones for Presley, then there is certainly a conflict between reliable sources, and we may need to present both/all versions. Current consensus stands at 18 number ones for Presley, pending how editors evaluate the sources, and particularly any more recent ones (or future ones, even) about the matter. MPFitz1968 (talk) 14:50, 18 October 2017 (UTC)
MPFitz1968 [1][2] these articles clearly mention the total number one single of elvis presly is 17.You can find lot of new articles like this stating elvis number as 17 instead of 18 in google too.And [3]this source says billboard has cheated elvis by changing their rules.i'm not sure bout the reliabilty of this website but i dont think they will write like this if they dont change their rules since this is one of elvis registered fan club.There is only one guy who still count DBC/HD as two thats none other than Billboard historian Joel Whitburn.I hope you will take necessory step to bring back my version instead of current version. Akhiljaxxn (talk) 23:15, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ http://www.billboard.com/articles/news/1045979/chart-beat&grqid=jqzcqJ8l&hl=en-IN
  2. ^ http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2016/03/03/could_rihanna_beat_the_beatles_record_of_the_most_no_1s.html
  3. ^ https://www.elvis.com.au/presley/billboard-change-rules-and-cheats-elvis-of-ten-10-number-one-hits.shtml
At the moment, I'm not convinced about the reliability of the two non-Billboard sources, as blogs usually are not considered reliable, and the Australian one clearly says "Official Elvis Fan Club", which is not a definitive point of reference regarding the claim that Billboard changed the rules about how they count Elvis' hits on the pop chart. There needs to be citations to reliable (I will repeat, reliable) sources independent of Billboard. I'd honestly suggest a RfC at the record charts project regarding this matter. MPFitz1968 (talk) 17:44, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
@Excelse: What's your take on these sources presented by Akhiljaxxn? With what they have presented so far, I am far from convinced about them being reliable for retallying Presley's #1s, and they have yet to present a concrete source about when/why Billboard changed the rules which led to their reassessing Presley's totals. MPFitz1968 (talk) 17:53, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
@MPFitz1968: He is engaging in WP:SYNTH by providing sources that doesn't support his opinion. Also one of his source doesn't mention Elvis at all,[13] does it means that Elvis had no hits? Excelse (talk) 05:10, 23 October 2017 (UTC)
Akhiljaxxn, I am still not seeing if any of your sources support for "Billboard says elvis has 17 number one on their chart". Doesn't mention Elvis. What you are doing is called WP:SYNTH, "If one reliable source says A, and another reliable source says B, do not join A and B together to imply a conclusion C that is not mentioned by either of the sources." You need a source to totally backup your personal opinion. Washingtonpost source[14] that had been provided to you, it cannot be considered "outdated", you can provide a source to consider such list as outdated but it has to be reliable. Excelse (talk) 05:10, 23 October 2017 (UTC)
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