Talk:Lionel Shriver

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Shriver?[edit]

Is she related to the Shrivers of Massachusetts? 69.221.6.4 01:09, 9 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comment moved from article page[edit]

The following was added to the article by Shrionel on 8 January 2007, and was then moved from the article page to here (by CarolGray), pending being merged into the article:

Changed her name from Margaret Ann TO LIONEL because she liked the sound of it. [As written, she liked the sound of Margaret Ann.)

Re: columns, wrote about the "pettiness of BRITISH GOVERNMENTAL AUTHORITIES" not about the pettiness of the British public

Delete "shared" inheritance--she has no "shared" inheritance; indeed, she has no inheritance, period. Better to say she wrote about the "importance of libraries", and perhaps to include parenthetically "(she plans to will whatever assets remain at her death to the Belfast Library Board, from whose libraries she checked out so many books when she lived in Northern Ireland)".

Married to jazz drummer JEFF Williams [not Geoff].

Thanks,

Lionel Shriver

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by CarolGray (talk • contribs) 15:28, 8 January 2007 (UTC).[reply]

I've now merged this material into the article. CarolGray 19:16, 8 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Omen[edit]

I wondered why no one has drawn the parallel between her book and "The Omen". If you take out religion and substitute Kevin for Damien the stories are almost identical. There's nothing wrong with that - The Omen is a great story. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.103.63.146 (talk • contribs) 18:48, 26 January 2007

If a reviewer has written words to that effect in print, we can quote it. However, for a Wikipedia editor to opine thusly would be original research and not appropriate for the article. Also, such information would more appropriately belong in the article about the book, rather than the article about the author. --GentlemanGhost (talk) 20:11, 3 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

She uses the word Omen in her book The Post Birthday World as I recall. I think it's a Japanese restaurant (accent on the 2nd syllable), and Irina (from the book) frets about the other meaning. This is from memory so I may have gotten this wrong. 70.56.129.90 (talk) (I really need a new username since I gave the last one up.) —Preceding undated comment added 23:27, 6 July 2010 (UTC).[reply]

Biography[edit]

Biography section seems weak for someone with such an exotic history. The religious upbringing and world travel, life in Northern Ireland, writing for The Economist & Guardian and Anglo/American residences. A little more plot here please. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.231.201.230 (talk) 05:23, 19 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Journalism: Maternal Disposition Within Western Society[edit]

It is not clear what the issue is.
She talks about "maternal ambivalence" in <https://www.theguardian.com/books/2005/sep/17/society> about not regretting being childless.
?Rephrase or provide citation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Peaceandlonglife (talk • contribs) 17:15, 17 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Guardian opinion pieces[edit]

Hi @John Cummings: certainly it makes sense to include something about her recent piece in The Spectator, but the two sources you added[1][2] are opinion pieces, and are governed by WP:RSEDITORIAL – they shouldn't be used for statements of fact in a BLP, but could plausibly be used for attributed opinions. Saying Shriver has argued "[quote from opinion piece]" is more problematic than just using them for a statement of fact, however. ‑‑Volteer1 (talk) 17:22, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Volteer1 sorry to miss this before, was on holiday for a few weeks. For everyone else, here is what I wrote (with the grammar fixed):

Shriver has argued against non white migration into the UK, in 2021 she wrote an article which argued 'for or Britain to remain Britain, it has to remain predominantly white', it included the statement For westerners to passively accept and even abet incursions by foreigners so massive that the native-born are effectively surrendering their territory without a shot fired is biologically perverse.^[1] The article was described as 'the language of the British National Party.^[2]^[3]

What would you suggest as an alternative? Would it be simpler to only include the first sentence and avoid the response to it? These appear to be the only available references on the topic.

Thanks

John Cummings (talk) 19:16, 7 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@John Cummings: sorry, I've been very busy. Something like this is okay, but For Britain to remain Britain, it has to remain predominantly white is quoting Kenan Malik[3], not Shriver. I don't have an issue in general with "Shriver wrote a piece... The article was described by [whoever] as [quote]". ‑‑Volteer1 (talk) 19:17, 12 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks very much for the reply Volteer1, I've added a sentence in, thanks for catching the mistake. John Cummings (talk) 12:30, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Shriver, Lionel. "Would you want London to be overrun with Americans like me? | The Spectator". www.spectator.co.uk. Retrieved 2021-09-17.
^ "To be truly British, the country needs to stay largely white. Really, Lionel Shriver? | Kenan Malik". the Guardian. 2021-09-05. Retrieved 2021-09-17.
^ "An obsession with migration figures is about more than just numbers | Jonathan Portes". the Guardian. 2021-09-01. Retrieved 2021-09-17.

[1] Shriver, Lionel. "Would you want London to be overrun with Americans like me? | The Spectator". www.spectator.co.uk. Retrieved 2021-09-17.

[2] "To be truly British, the country needs to stay largely white. Really, Lionel Shriver? | Kenan Malik". the Guardian. 2021-09-05. Retrieved 2021-09-17.

[3] "An obsession with migration figures is about more than just numbers | Jonathan Portes". the Guardian. 2021-09-01. Retrieved 2021-09-17.

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