Talk:Lilith: A Snake in the Grass

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Sorcerers[edit]

Just finished re-reading this and didn't see anyone anywhere referred to as sorcerers or Sorcs. The political hierarchy was made up of Supervisors, Masters, Knights, Dukes, and the Lord. Though there were some chicks referred to as witches. I think the writer of this edit is thinking of one of the other books. Having read this before, however, my re-reading was accompanied by some skimming so I'll leave it to someone more into Chalker to check for editing purposes. 75.191.157.40 (talk) 21:42, 19 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Its a slang term used by the populace for people who manifest the power. Feel free to read every page and you will assuredly come across the term. Garycompugeek (talk) 22:50, 19 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
No, Gary, I'm sorry but that's not true. I have read every page, and many times, and "Sorcs" is from the book about Charon, not Lilith. I'm going to do some wholesale corrections on this, for spelling, grammar and readability. Let me assure you in advance that I mean no offense, and am a loyal fan of Chalker's, as I believe you are, too. Alexandria177 (talk) 02:33, 12 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I've reworked this and the other two articles, and added a fourth article for the fourth book. Alexandria177 (talk) 16:02, 12 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sources[edit]

@Cunard does this one have enough sources to meet the WP:GNG? 2601:240:E200:3B60:E081:B132:2419:C66D (talk) 01:01, 18 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi 2601:240:E200:3B60:E081:B132:2419:C66D. The book meets Wikipedia:Notability (books)#Criteria, which says:

A book is presumed notable if it verifiably meets, through reliable sources, at least one of the following criteria:

  1. The book has been the subject of two or more non-trivial published works appearing in sources that are independent of the book itself. This can include published works in all forms, such as newspaper articles, other books, television documentaries, bestseller lists, and reviews. This excludes media re-prints of press releases, flap copy, or other publications where the author, its publisher, agent, or other self-interested parties advertise or speak about the book.

Sources

  1. RH. "Lilith: A Snake in the Grass". Library Journal. p. 2052. Retrieved 2023-11-18 – via Internet Archive.

    The review notes: "Using a device strikingly similar to Effinger's, Chalker imagines organisms native to the planet Lilith that invade the host cells of humans: but here a symbiotic relationship is established in which host and organism both thrive- so long as the host remains on Lilith. A paradise except for the life sentence it imposes on its residents, Lilith attracts a criminal elite that collects and stores the secrets of a galactic confederacy. Cal Tremon's skills and memories are transferred to the bodies of four others who act as agents on a quartet of worlds, including Lilith, while Tremon communicates with these semi-clones of himself by means of mind implants. All sf collections should include this first volume in a new series by the author of the "Well World" books."

  2. Gottlieb, Peter (1981-12-20). "Books/Fancies". The Morning Call. Archived from the original on 2023-11-18. Retrieved 2023-11-18 – via Newspapers.com.

    The review notes: "The novel seems to be an expansion of a novellette which occupies the central part of the book, but there are enough intrigue, "empire building" and assorted "perils of Pauline" to keep a reader going through slow patches."

  3. Davidson, Dan (1982-07-23). "Strange mania". Whitehorse Daily Star. Archived from the original on 2023-11-18. Retrieved 2023-11-18 – via Newspapers.com.

    The review notes: "On the one hand it is a rousing adventure on a alien planet, a story which Chalker always tells well. On the other it is a tale of a man's enlightenment, and he does that one equally well. Lilith is a very enjoyable opening shot to a new series. I'm looking forward to the rest of it."

  4. Pringle, David (1990). The Ultimate Guide to Science Fiction. New York: Pharos Books. Scripps Howard. p. 184. ISBN 0-88687-536-6. Retrieved 2023-11-18 – via Internet Archive.

    The book notes: "Lilith: A Snake in the Grass (1981) * Novel by Jack L. Chalker (USA), first in his 'Four Lords of the Diamond' tetralogy. A mind-replicated human agent is sent to a planet which is under threat from a subtle alien force. In the follow-up books he has similar adventures on three other planets. Routine action sf conceived to fit this author's customary over-extended series format. Sequels: Cerberus: A Wolf in the Fold (1982), Charon: A Dragon at the Gate (1982) and Medusa: A Tiger by the Tail (1983)."

  5. Benedict, W. Ritchie (May 1982). "Lilith: A Snake in the Grass". Science Fiction Review. No. 43. p. 54. Retrieved 2023-11-18 – via Internet Archive.

    The review notes: "There are many familiar elements in this book: game playing; sword and sorcery; fantasy; science fiction, even Gor. But somehow it all hangs together and makes an entertaining novel. It will be interesting to see how the remaining three worlds are developed."

  6. "Books: Lilith: A Snake in the Grass". Sinclair User. No. 101. 1990. p. 64. Retrieved 2023-11-18 – via Internet Archive.

    The article notes: "Jack L Chalker, author of the famous Well World series, has been a bit quiet recently, probably because he's been working on the four books in the Lords of the Diamond series, of which this is the first. Cal Tremon, special operative, has the simple task of taking over four alien planets before they move against Earth."

  7. Books of Light: A Compilation of Reviews of Outstanding Books in the Fields of Science Fiction, Metaphysics, Holistic Health, and the Esoteric (2 ed.). Columbus, Ohio: Ariel Press. 1989 [1986]. p. 158. ISBN 0-89804-049-3. Retrieved 2023-11-18 – via Internet Archive.

    The book notes: "Each book is the adventure of one of these agents. In the first, Lilith: A Snake in the Grass, the agent learns that the Warden organism is not just a powerful force which keeps people from leaving the Diamond; it can also be tapped to develop useful skills and talents. In order to fulfill his mission, the agent learns to use etheric sight and manipulate the life force of matter, both to build and destroy physical forms."

  8. D'Ammassa, Don (2005). Encyclopedia of Science Fiction. New York: Facts on File. p. 78. ISBN 0-8160-5924-1. Retrieved 2023-11-18 – via Internet Archive.

    The book notes: "Lilith: A Snake in the Grass (1981) initiated a new series. A cluster of four worlds have been quarantined from the rest of humanity for one reason or another, and each planet is faced with a crisis, such as the collapse of all machinery or an alien invasion. In each of the four novels, an outside agent is sent to investigate or interfere in events. These are primarily adventure stories, although some of Chalker's more serious concerns are visible from time to time."

  9. Nicoll, James Davis (2020-09-15). "A Late-Summer SFF Reading List". Tor.com. Archived from the original on 2023-11-18. Retrieved 2023-11-18.

    The article notes: "Faced with covert alien infiltration, an oppressive human empire dispatches an agent to a quartet of worlds-of-no-return to unravel the alien plot. Having four worlds to investigate and just one suitable agent, the powers that be duplicate his mind in the bodies of four prisoners. This offers pretty much every Chalkerian trope, particularly unwanted physical transformation. It is a reasonable sampler of his works. Be aware that it’s book one of four, and nothing really gets resolved in this adventure. I should add that this really isn’t recommended, unless you’re already a diehard Chalker fan."

  10. Hall, Wiley (1985-12-20). "The sci-fi and fantasy gift list". The Baltimore Evening Sun. Archived from the original on 2023-11-18. Retrieved 2023-11-18 – via Newspapers.com.

    The article notes: "The first in the series is "Lilith: A Snake in the Grass." A special agent is sent on a one-way mission to four worlds colonized by society's misfits to discover who is aiding an alien invasion. Features good aliens, a mystery, action and fair to middling character development."

  11. "Melrose author begins science fiction series". Carroll County Times. 1981-09-24. Archived from the original on 2023-11-18. Retrieved 2023-11-18 – via Newspapers.com.

    The review notes: "Jack L. Chalker, a Melrose author, is back to outer space with publication of Lilith: A Snake in the Grass by Ballantine Books. The book is the first part of a tetralogy — a four book series — called collectively The Four Lords of the Diamond and dealing with efforts to infiltrate a solar system whose leaders are suspected of being in contact with an alien race. Although the first book is only now going on sale, Mr. Chalker said this week he has already completed the second and is working on the third."

Cunard (talk) 10:04, 18 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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