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User:Rupert loup: I noticed that you recently have made this article a massive amalgam of unrelated articles. This is not about 'Liberalism in Iran', the word 'liberalism' is only used twice in the article except for section titles etc.! I really see no point in copying biographies of unrealated people you deem liberal, this is both WP:POV and WP:OR. Pahlevun (talk) 17:01, 4 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

No, this article is about Liberalism in Iran, like the other articles about liberalism in diferent countries, i.e Liberalism in the United States and Liberalism in Russia. OR is original research without sources. And POV is when you give your opinion in what is writen and not what the sources say. Rupert Loup (talk) 17:09, 4 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
This article is no way similar to Liberalism in the United States, because the latter is an overview and summary of different aspects of liberalism in the country. This article is clearly synthesis, hence OR. For example, by copy/pasting from Davoud Hermidas-Bavand, you are concluding that: 1. He is a liberal (which is not cited in the sources given, clearly OR) and 2. He is worth mentioning as a prominent figure in the history of 'Liberalism in Iran' (POV, as well as implying a conclusion not stated by any source). I don't see any reason for including Aseman newspaper being banned in Iran here. Pahlevun (talk) 17:26, 4 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Good luck with proving that. Davoud Hermidas-Bavand was in a liberal party and wrote in a liberal newspaper. A reformist newspaper that was banned. Also you can say what an article is about or not WP:OWN. The title says liberalism in Iran. Therefore is about that. And this conversation is over. Rupert Loup (talk) 17:38, 4 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
No, it's not over yet. My friend is also in a liberal party and writes in a liberal newspaper. Should I add him to this article? No. I have to find a reliable source that says my friend is a real important figure of liberalism in Iran. Pahlevun (talk) 17:46, 4 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
User:Rupert loup: This is rude to intentionally ignore the talkpage and stop discussion while you are active. Pahlevun (talk) 18:13, 4 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
You should complain to someone who cares. I see no point in keep the discussion. Also you are the only who is complaining and want to own the article. Try to read WP:OWN. Regards. Rupert Loup (talk) 18:27, 4 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Stop accusations. How can you contribute if you don't care about resolving content issues? Pahlevun (talk) 18:40, 4 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Pahlevun can you point where in the article ther are "statements in a way that makes or suggests a new statement not supported by any one of the sources" WP:SYNTHNOT and what content fails WP:NPOV. If the discussion become dormant the template would be removed because templates are not badges of shame. Rupert Loup (talk) 13:30, 19 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Sure. As I mentioned earlier in May 2017, none of the sources mentioned in the article discuss "liberalism in Iran". It is just copy/pasted from somewhere else whithout the editor hesitating to even check the sources. I can see a couple of sources in Persian language, and I bet you have no idea what they are really about. There's a section about People's Party, copy/pasted from the article that I created on 21 June 2016‎, but it does not suggest that this party was important to be discussed in "liberalism in Ian". This is clear synthesis. Even mentioning the name of certain parties in the article, is pushing a POV, that they are important during history of liberalism in Iran, unless you HAVE a reliable source that says so (but you don't). Take Executives of Construction Party as an example. The templates are not "badges of shame", I agree, they mean to inform the reader that this is a poor article and they should not expect to read a quality article about liberalism in Iran. Please comply with WP:WTRMT regarding the removal. Pahlevun (talk) 21:03, 21 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
You are not assuming WP:GOODFAITH, I checked most of the content. However if there is a problem single it out and I will fix it, we don't need tag the whole article for specific content. If you still feel that there is POV problems you can report it to WP:NPOVN, because we can not reach consensus with only two opinions. Rupert Loup (talk) 13:03, 23 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The Executives of Construction Party is described as liberal by the sources and I don't see nothing that make them not notable. Rupert Loup (talk) 13:36, 23 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Did you really check "most of the content"? So, I want you to explain about how the source number 4 explains the claim it is used for. As I said before, the problem is with the copy and paste job that is essentially WP:SYNTH, i.e. "does not verifiably mention or relate to the main topic", and the fact that you have selected (=cherrypicked) the content without having refered to the sources that talk about the subject, which is essentially POV. Comply with WP:WNTRMT and stop removing the tags. Pahlevun (talk) 22:58, 25 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

About Liberalism in Iran[edit]

Should this and this content be in the article? See above for more information. Also the tags "Original research" and "Syntesis" are necessary? Rupert Loup (talk) 19:10, 4 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

According with wikipedia liberalism is a political philosophy or worldview founded on ideas of liberty and equality. Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but generally they support ideas and programmes such as freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of religion, free markets, civil rights, democratic societies, secular governments, gender equality, and international cooperation.
  • Davoud Hermidas-Bavand, currently a member of National Front of Iran's leadership council and serves as its spokesperson. He wrote for a reformist newspaper which was banned. I re-added him because he is member of the party, and the section is about the party history.
  • Shirin Ebadi: human rights activist and founder of Defenders of Human Rights Center in Iran. On 10 October 2003, Ebadi was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize for her significant and pioneering efforts for democracy and human rights, especially women's, children's, and refugee rights. She said in her book Iran Awakening, Ebadi explains her political/religious views on Islam, democracy and gender equality: In the last 23 years, from the day I was stripped of my judgeship to the years of doing battle in the revolutionary courts of Tehran, I had repeated one refrain: an interpretation of Islam that is in harmony with equality and democracy is an authentic expression of faith. It is not religion that binds women, but the selective dictates of those who wish them cloistered. That belief, along with the conviction that change in Iran must come peacefully and from within, has underpinned my work." On 10 October 2003, Shirin Ebadi was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize for her efforts for democracy and human rights, especially for the rights of women and children.[1]
  • Isa Saharkhiz: is an Iranian journalist, political figure, and former head of the press department at the Iranian Ministry of Culture and Education during former President Khatami's administration. He is also a member of the central council of the Association for the Defense of Press Freedom in Iran.
  • Heshmatollah Tabarzadi: is an Iranian democratic activist and journalist. Tabarzadi served as the leader of the banned opposition group, the Democratic Front of Iran
  • Jafar Panahi: is an Iranian film director, screenwriter, and film editor, commonly identified with the Iranian New Wave film movement.
  • Nasrin Sotoudeh: is a human rights lawyer in Iran. She has represented imprisoned Iranian opposition activists and politicians following the disputed June 2009 Iranian presidential elections as well as prisoners sentenced to death for crimes committed when they were minors.
  • Omid Memarian: is an Iranian journalist and blogger. Memarian was awarded the Golden pen at the National Press Festival in Iran at 2001. He has been blogging since 2002, in English and Persian, and has written for Iranian daily newspapers such as Hayat-e No (New Life), Yas-e-no (New Jasmin), Vaqaye-e Ettefaqiyeh (Occurring Events) and Sharq (or Shargh = meaning East). He is well known for his regular news analysis columns and blogs in English and Persian. Memarian was the editor of Volunteer Actors Quarterly which dealt with civil society issues.

More information in its wikilinks. Rupert Loup (talk) 22:31, 4 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Nice job asking third opinions. I think this article should be rewritten entirely, because it is not genuinely discussing its subject. It's just copy/paste from other articles that do not discuss the subject. Pahlevun (talk) 19:21, 4 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Nobelprize.org: The Nobel Peace Prize 2003, last retrieved on 12 October 2007

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